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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 15, 2019 18:01:33 GMT
Yeah, he lost the plot spectacularly. Presumably he stopped having 'minimal input'? Or does that only work when things are going well? You can't blame a bloke for the bad and give him no credit for the good. That's stupid and unreasonable. Your right,but it's hard to recognise the good when you see what he left us with. It really isn’t. It’s possible to be balanced and see both.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 15, 2019 18:12:23 GMT
Your right,but it's hard to recognise the good when you see what he left us with. It really isn’t. It’s possible to be balanced and see both. It is possible,but as i said it's hard.
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Post by potterpaul on Mar 16, 2019 0:06:11 GMT
What isn't acceptable is the fact that we showing signs of contentment in finally getting the players familiarised and performing to an acceptable standard in a system the manager supposedly doesn't believe in.
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Mar 16, 2019 0:15:04 GMT
It clearly isn't acceptable as we have fans on his back already, even if many are hiding it amongst the "obviously he gets time" routine. Those tolerating it are doing so based on what he might do in the future, when he has time to turn the squad around from the mess it is now into something resembling a competitive physical and technical specimen. On top of that many realise a lot of the current problems go back to Hughes's time here and have been made worse by the ridiculously expensive and wasteful transfers of the last manager. On top of that still, many recognise the first two signings of the new manager as being more right and fit for purpose than many signings made by any Stoke manager dating back to Marko Arnautovic and Peter Odemwingie, in terms of talent, character and frankly, filling a much needed hole in the team. A lot of the tolerance is based on solid evidence of what he's done at his previous club, where he created an absolute machine. In short, button thee lips and give him time for Christ's sake. If he fails, he fails. He won't be the first or last. So watch shit like that and suck the mop. Why? It's not good enough, pretending it is does far more damage in the long run. So get rid of yet another manager and appoint who exactly? Fat Sam or Moyesy? For what reason exactly? You are so far out of touch that your opinion isn't warranted as it holds no credibility. SGS
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Mar 16, 2019 0:16:33 GMT
So was I.... but I'm prepared to give the bloke at least a couple of transfer windows. are you? He obviously gets the summer one and it has to be a big one. None of the usual excuses from Teflon Central. If we're still bumming round the bottom 6 or 7 come Christmas time though, I don't see any reason why he automatically gets another window? So you are giving him less than 12 months then? Who do we bring in next then? SGS
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Mar 16, 2019 0:21:45 GMT
At what point do we give up on Bauer? I was sympathetic at first but he’s been woeful virtually every time he’s been picked under two managers now and it can’t all be down to a lack of games - that shouldn’t affect basic positioning or picking players up. He should be right up Jones’ street yet he too has very quickly decided he doesn’t fancy him, it doesn’t reflect brilliantly on the player. Sticking with other players regardless of performance and ostracising others doesn't reflect too brilliantly on the manager either. So the attitude of a player is down to the manager? Therefore, perhaps the attitude of a chid in school is the fault of the teacher? Or the attitude of the criminal is down to the police? Or the attitude of the patient is down to the doctor? My God you talk some rubbish at times SGS
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 6:28:36 GMT
Who are we dropping for Bauer? Edwards, a young international with a big future who is playing well and improving?
What a ridiculous stick to beat the manager with.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 16, 2019 6:36:12 GMT
So watch shit like that and suck the mop. Why? It's not good enough, pretending it is does far more damage in the long run. So get rid of yet another manager and appoint who exactly? Fat Sam or Moyesy? For what reason exactly? You are so far out of touch that your opinion isn't warranted as it holds no credibility. SGS I don't want rid of him, nor will I happy clap him to the ends of the earth for the sake of it like some nobs.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 16, 2019 6:39:12 GMT
He obviously gets the summer one and it has to be a big one. None of the usual excuses from Teflon Central. If we're still bumming round the bottom 6 or 7 come Christmas time though, I don't see any reason why he automatically gets another window? So you are giving him less than 12 months then? Who do we bring in next then? SGS So here we have it, a total free pass. He spends £30M in the summer and we're still slumming it in 17th with Rotherham and we still make out it's harder job than the fucking Vale and say poor old, Nath? Leave it fucking out mate.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 16, 2019 6:40:11 GMT
Sticking with other players regardless of performance and ostracising others doesn't reflect too brilliantly on the manager either. So the attitude of a player is down to the manager? Therefore, perhaps the attitude of a chid in school is the fault of the teacher? Or the attitude of the criminal is down to the police? Or the attitude of the patient is down to the doctor? My God you talk some rubbish at times SGS Keep happy. Keep clapping.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 16, 2019 6:43:27 GMT
Who are we dropping for Bauer? Edwards, a young international with a big future who is playing well and improving? What a ridiculous stick to beat the manager with. Who's beating the manager with it and who on earth is suggesting dropping Edwards? He's just a player I'd have like to have seen more in this shot shy bag of wank side that's making punters eyes bleed currently. Still we might get to see Williams in midfield again today, I might phone a taxi now to make sure I get in on time!
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Post by santy on Mar 16, 2019 7:29:45 GMT
Who are we dropping for Bauer? Edwards, a young international with a big future who is playing well and improving? What a ridiculous stick to beat the manager with. Who's beating the manager with it and who on earth is suggesting dropping Edwards? He's just a player I'd have like to have seen more in this shot shy bag of wank side that's making punters eyes bleed currently. Still we might get to see Williams in midfield again today, I might phone a taxi now to make sure I get in on time! I don't like Williams being played in midfield, its not the natural position for him and he lacks pace so its weak but think about it for a moment. Who do we have that is capable of playing as a physical holding midfielder? The most physical, out and out, midfielder in our squad is Charlie Adam. He's not as good in the tackle, and even Charlie Adam isn't that physical, he just so happens to be the most physical midfielder we have. I'd argue given his thinking, and based on where he's been most effective for Stoke, it should be a toss up between Bojan and Adam who is playing behind the forward but that's neither here nor there and Jones hasn't been using that set-up the last few games anyway. One of the issues we have definitely had is midfielders have been bouncing off players. Some of them can be pretty handy with the ball at their feet, and have good balance but when it comes to dispossessing an opponent, there's just nothing. It's a case of needs must, unless we embrace the Gary Rowett tried and testing midfield disappearing act. We have a midfield that has, as individuals, different skill sets but as physical players, as defensive elements to the team nothing unique amongst them. The problem comes if in the summer Jones decides he likes Ashley Williams and makes him a permanent signing - that's a serious issue as opposed to buying an out and out physically capable holding midfielder. I can understand the reservations there, because how often in football does someone with a good personality make an impact on a manager and get signed when they're not the solution after all but it's certainly too soon to be condemning it at present.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 7:31:55 GMT
Who's beating the manager with it and who on earth is suggesting dropping Edwards? He's just a player I'd have like to have seen more in this shot shy bag of wank side that's making punters eyes bleed currently. Still we might get to see Williams in midfield again today, I might phone a taxi now to make sure I get in on time! I don't like Williams being played in midfield, its not the natural position for him and he lacks pace so its weak but think about it for a moment. Who do we have that is capable of playing as a physical holding midfielder? The most physical, out and out, midfielder in our squad is Charlie Adam. He's not as good in the tackle, and even Charlie Adam isn't that physical, he just so happens to be the most physical midfielder we have. I'd argue given his thinking, and based on where he's been most effective for Stoke, it should be a toss up between Bojan and Adam who is playing behind the forward but that's neither here nor there and Jones hasn't been using that set-up the last few games anyway. One of the issues we have definitely had is midfielders have been bouncing off players. Some of them can be pretty handy with the ball at their feet, and have good balance but when it comes to dispossessing an opponent, there's just nothing. It's a case of needs must, unless we embrace the Gary Rowett tried and testing midfield disappearing act. We have a midfield that has, as individuals, different skill sets but as physical players, as defensive elements to the team nothing unique amongst them. The problem comes if in the summer Jones decides he likes Ashley Williams and makes him a permanent signing - that's a serious issue as opposed to buying an out and out physically capable holding midfielder. I can understand the reservations there, because how often in football does someone with a good personality make an impact on a manager and get signed when they're not the solution after all but it's certainly too soon to be condemning it at present. There are no scenarios currently cropping up at our football club where putting Williams in midfield is a good idea. Not one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 7:36:36 GMT
Who are we dropping for Bauer? Edwards, a young international with a big future who is playing well and improving? What a ridiculous stick to beat the manager with. Who's beating the manager with it and who on earth is suggesting dropping Edwards? He's just a player I'd have like to have seen more in this shot shy bag of wank side that's making punters eyes bleed currently. Still we might get to see Williams in midfield again today, I might phone a taxi now to make sure I get in on time! People asking for Bauer are automatically asking for Edwards to be dropped as they play in the same position. Unless we have people criticising the manager for playing players out of position, and then asking for others to be played out of position when it suits?
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Post by questionable on Mar 16, 2019 7:49:26 GMT
The Coates family are 100% to blame for this shit shower, the signs were screaming out that Hughes had finally lost the plot and the players obviously picked up on this and, well took complete advantage of the lax situation and its a free for all with no consequences other than probably get an extension to your contract.
Then there’s the “What’s all the fuss about” hilarious comment, well done Pete, talk about coming back to bite you in the arse, what an idiot but there’s better to come by appointing Lambert, a complete masterpiece of high level management within the club,
In truth it’s hilarious that they’re stupid enough to blow tens of millions and sit back patting themselves on the back, letting two idiots to cause chaos and end up in a far worse situation.
Bravo
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Post by santy on Mar 16, 2019 8:13:00 GMT
There are no scenarios currently cropping up at our football club where putting Williams in midfield is a good idea. Not one. I mean... literally in the post you quoted, offered one. You want a physical presence in midfield. Ashley Williams has a physical presence, ergo, you put Ashley Williams in midfield. You might as well have just said there are no scenarios cropping up where you'd use matches to start a fire. We have no actual midfielder on the books who can do it, so it has to be another player. Our options are: Ryan Shawcross, Danny Batth, Bruno Martins Indi, Sam Vokes, Ashley Williams. The only other player in our squad after that, who is remotely in contention after that is perhaps Jack Butland? Afobe and Diouf are nowhere near as physically robust as you would think they would be. After that, we've just got a series of players who have spent most of this season being knocked around like yorkshire housewives.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 16, 2019 9:32:29 GMT
Who's beating the manager with it and who on earth is suggesting dropping Edwards? He's just a player I'd have like to have seen more in this shot shy bag of wank side that's making punters eyes bleed currently. Still we might get to see Williams in midfield again today, I might phone a taxi now to make sure I get in on time! People asking for Bauer are automatically asking for Edwards to be dropped as they play in the same position. Unless we have people criticising the manager for playing players out of position, and then asking for others to be played out of position when it suits? In a team where Williams is the new Makelele ( ) I think we could occasionally try and sneak in a bit of forward thinking pace somewhere. If Bauer such a shithouse by the way, why is he on the bench?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 9:38:22 GMT
There are no scenarios currently cropping up at our football club where putting Williams in midfield is a good idea. Not one. I mean... literally in the post you quoted, offered one. You want a physical presence in midfield. Ashley Williams has a physical presence, ergo, you put Ashley Williams in midfield. You might as well have just said there are no scenarios cropping up where you'd use matches to start a fire. We have no actual midfielder on the books who can do it, so it has to be another player. Our options are: Ryan Shawcross, Danny Batth, Bruno Martins Indi, Sam Vokes, Ashley Williams. The only other player in our squad after that, who is remotely in contention after that is perhaps Jack Butland? Afobe and Diouf are nowhere near as physically robust as you would think they would be. After that, we've just got a series of players who have spent most of this season being knocked around like yorkshire housewives. Ok let me put it another way. Ashley Williams is too slow to play centre half never mind in the centre of midfield. Now matter how poor we've been in midfield this season Ashley Williams will not make our midfield better, he will only make it worse.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 9:44:09 GMT
People asking for Bauer are automatically asking for Edwards to be dropped as they play in the same position. Unless we have people criticising the manager for playing players out of position, and then asking for others to be played out of position when it suits? In a team where Williams is the new Makelele ( ) I think we could occasionally try and sneak in a bit of forward thinking pace somewhere. If Bauer such a shithouse by the way, why is he on the bench? So who would you drop and where would you play Bauer? That last sentence is just bizarre btw.
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Post by sutt on Mar 16, 2019 9:55:48 GMT
Battle through to the summer is washing thin with me now.
Just who exactly do we expect to sign in the summer??
This current lot of cost a fortune for this league, we can’t go and spend another 50-100 million on top?
Jones needs to focus this season on getting the best out of these players he has, defence is looking solid but from an attacking point of view.
The vokes signing looks more and more strange by the day, we need some pace up there!!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 16, 2019 9:57:04 GMT
In a team where Williams is the new Makelele ( ) I think we could occasionally try and sneak in a bit of forward thinking pace somewhere. If Bauer such a shithouse by the way, why is he on the bench? So who would you drop and where would you play Bauer? That last sentence is just bizarre btw. Are you saying this appalling side couldn't benefit from bringing on a bit of wide pace from time to time? Then again I suppose you would have to have the slightest inclination to try and win games to try that approach. OK, I'll rephrase the last sentence. It has been suggested that one of the reasons that Bauer isn't perhaps having the career he might have, is a poor attitude. If that is the case, why he is he in the squad at all?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 9:58:18 GMT
So who would you drop and where would you play Bauer? That last sentence is just bizarre btw. Are you saying this appalling side couldn't benefit from bringing on a bit of wide pace from time to time? Then again I suppose you would have to have the slightest inclination to try and win games to try that approach. OK, I'll rephrase the last sentence. It has been suggested that one of the reasons that Bauer isn't perhaps having the career he might have, is a poor attitude. If that is the case, why he is he in the squad at all? Where would you play him?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 16, 2019 10:08:30 GMT
Are you saying this appalling side couldn't benefit from bringing on a bit of wide pace from time to time? Then again I suppose you would have to have the slightest inclination to try and win games to try that approach. OK, I'll rephrase the last sentence. It has been suggested that one of the reasons that Bauer isn't perhaps having the career he might have, is a poor attitude. If that is the case, why he is he in the squad at all? Where would you play him? I'd occasionally bring him on in wide positions as an attacking threat. Or we could keep going with the Shawcross for Ince sub that served us so well at Ipswich or the Williams for Adam genius we've seen in three of the last four games! FAST ATTACKING FOOTBALL
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2019 10:14:32 GMT
Where would you play him? I'd occasionally bring him on in wide positions as an attacking threat. Or we could keep going with the Shawcross for Ince sub that served us so well at Ipswich or the Williams for Adam genius we've seen in three of the last four games! FAST ATTACKING FOOTBALL I'd prefer to give Verlinden a run out wide. It's his natural position and he's a young player with talent that needs exposure to first team football. I'd much prefer that to playing a player out of position. Bauer is a right back and he's second choice to Tom Edwards. No more or less.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 16, 2019 10:14:53 GMT
Battle through to the summer is washing thin with me now. Just who exactly do we expect to sign in the summer?? This current lot of cost a fortune for this league, we can’t go and spend another 50-100 million on top? Jones needs to focus this season on getting the best out of these players he has, defence is looking solid but from an attacking point of view. The vokes signing looks more and more strange by the day, we need some pace up there!! Jones has clear ideas and will have targets lined up. I guarantee he will sign much better players than rowett brought in
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Mar 17, 2019 19:45:24 GMT
So you are giving him less than 12 months then? Who do we bring in next then? SGS So here we have it, a total free pass. He spends £30M in the summer and we're still slumming it in 17th with Rotherham and we still make out it's harder job than the fucking Vale and say poor old, Nath? Leave it fucking out mate. Not his team. Judge him when it is SGS
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Mar 17, 2019 19:47:26 GMT
So get rid of yet another manager and appoint who exactly? Fat Sam or Moyesy? For what reason exactly? You are so far out of touch that your opinion isn't warranted as it holds no credibility. SGS I don't want rid of him, nor will I happy clap him to the ends of the earth for the sake of it like some nobs. Ill assume you mean me. Its a shame you cant converse without throwing out playground insults SGS
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 17, 2019 21:00:50 GMT
So here we have it, a total free pass. He spends £30M in the summer and we're still slumming it in 17th with Rotherham and we still make out it's harder job than the fucking Vale and say poor old, Nath? Leave it fucking out mate. Not his team. Judge him when it is SGS Will it ever be his team, with the number of players here on long lucrative contracts how is he going to move them out ?, we have £50m worth of players returning at the end of the season no one wants, we have Berahino who will never play for us again, NJ has to manage the players who are underperforming to get the best out of them that's what the best managers do it's what he get's paid for. It's a results based business and that whether you or any one else likes it that is what it is.
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Post by swampySCFC on Mar 17, 2019 21:31:27 GMT
The buck stops with The Manager. The clue is in the title. If The Manager is telling me we are making chances but not converting them Im sorry he is still at Luton. We are as bad now as I can remember. Season ticket sales will be a disaster this year
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 17, 2019 21:43:30 GMT
I don't want rid of him, nor will I happy clap him to the ends of the earth for the sake of it like some nobs. Ill assume you mean me. Its a shame you cant converse without throwing out playground insults SGS I never said get rid of the manager you bell.
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