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Post by andycooke96 on Dec 27, 2018 17:39:12 GMT
It seems that this seems to be an unpopular opinion at the moment, but im gonna try and muster some sort of defence in favour of keeping Rowett.
Yes we are underachieving at the moment, but I think many people (myself included) underestimated how difficult the transition was going to be, and it was very clear in the early stages of the season that the players confidence was still shot from the Hughes era. Rowett has gone some way to remedying this, we are relatively hard to beat and players such as Allen and Butland and to an extent Berahino and Pieters have recaptured the form they are capable of. Plus his signings, Martina aside, have all done well and imo have improved the side if we can get the right players in January to help turn some of these draws into wins we'd be right up there. Furthermore whilst the football has been dire far too often we have shown glimpses of what we are capable of in spells (villa,derby,sheff wed). This is not a happy clapping thread and many of the criticisms levelled at Rowett are valid, however I feel that some fans are jumping the gun too early and that we should at least give Rowett till the end of the season, and the january window, and then reassess his performance then.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:42:59 GMT
He needs a kick up the arse in terms of getting the team to play further up the pitch and with more intensity.
But in terms of getting rid, no I think it's too early.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:43:37 GMT
I disagree about his signings,only Ince and possibly Williams have been a success.
The rest have either been poor or the jury is still out.
It's his tactics and substitions that give me as much concern as his signings.
I do agree he's revitalised Berahino and stopped us being the whipping boys but for £50 million that's the least we should expect
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:44:05 GMT
He doesn't play defensive football at all, he just expects players who aren't capable (Allen, Martina, etc.) to be able to create when they can't.
His tactics allow for the 3 forwards to push high and be supported by 2 central midfielders, with the full backs bombing on.
That isn't defensive or boring at all.
What ruins him is what he expects of his midfielders, because they're clearly not creative enough to do what he wants.
One or two new centre halves in January would change us hugely, allowing Woods to push up, which Rowett has said several times is an issue, and giving more freedom to the team.
My only gripes are his love for Martina, his love for Crouch, and his hatred of Bojan for no apparent reason.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:44:23 GMT
I disagree about his signings,only Ince and possibly Williams have been a success. The rest have either been poor or the jury is still out. It's his tactics and substitions that give me as much concern as his signings. I do agree he's revitalised Berahino and stopped us being the whipping boys but for £50 million that's the least we should expect Woods? |
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Post by andycooke96 on Dec 27, 2018 17:45:53 GMT
I disagree about his signings,only Ince and possibly Williams have been a success. The rest have either been poor or the jury is still out. It's his tactics and substitions that give me as much concern as his signings. I do agree he's revitalised Berahino and stopped us being the whipping boys but for £50 million that's the least we should expect Etebo and Clucas have improved the midfield imo and Mcclean, dare I say it, has improved a lot in recent weeks. Agree on his substitutions though, Derby aside I feel like his in-game changes have cost us more points than theyve won |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:46:14 GMT
I disagree about his signings,only Ince and possibly Williams have been a success. The rest have either been poor or the jury is still out. It's his tactics and substitions that give me as much concern as his signings. I do agree he's revitalised Berahino and stopped us being the whipping boys but for £50 million that's the least we should expect Woods? Great for 3 or 4 games,poor since.In fact I'd drop him |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:47:08 GMT
Great for 3 or 4 games,poor since.In fact I'd drop him You're mental. He's the only thing stopping our midfield from completely falling part. He's had about 2 mediocre games since he's joined. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 17:47:48 GMT
I disagree about his signings,only Ince and possibly Williams have been a success. The rest have either been poor or the jury is still out. It's his tactics and substitions that give me as much concern as his signings. I do agree he's revitalised Berahino and stopped us being the whipping boys but for £50 million that's the least we should expect Etebo and Clucas have improved the midfield imo and Mcclean, dare I say it, has improved a lot in recent weeks. Agree on his substitutions though, Derby aside I feel like his in-game changes have cost us more points than theyve won Etebo wasn't his signing and apart from his 1 good game on the left wing I struggle to see what Clucas brings to the party |
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Post by andycooke96 on Dec 27, 2018 17:50:17 GMT
Another issue is who we would appoint if we did get rid, think Rowett is negative, imagine O'neil at the helm
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 27, 2018 17:55:46 GMT
I see the whole Rowett family are on line tonight
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 18:00:43 GMT
We have the most expensively assembled squad in the league, we have the highest wage bill in the league, we have the highest paid manager in the league, we have the largest coaching staff in the league.
Apart from a few games we have not looked convincing regardless who we have played and lets make no bones about it, it maybe a competitive league but it's a poor one.
For what i have said above in the first sentence i would expect us to be more than just hard to beat, we should be hard to stop! The fact is though that the football is slow, predictable, tedious and much more. We create nothing, we panic under pressure and the majority of our game is mainly played in our own third until we revert to a Shawross/Williams/Butland punt up to a player whose about 5'8 and marked by two 6ft plus centre halves without another Stoke player within 40 yards.
His substitutions are mind boggling, his attitude towards certain players infuriating and borderline unprofessional. It's all well and good saying you will drop out of form players, yet he's happy to give some a free pass now matter how bad they play.
Add to that for what we have spent the new recruits have been ok and and not much more and some truly awful.
He's a small fish in a big pond and lacks any winning mentality. The man is better off at a Burton or such like where the dour shit he produces is accepted based on it may keep them up.
He's the worst of Hughes and Pulis combined, at least they achieved something here, this wet wipe won't. Oh and more importantly than all of the above, the way he talks annoys the shit out of me.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2018 18:01:21 GMT
He doesn't play defensive football at all, he just expects players who aren't capable (Allen, Martina, etc.) to be able to create when they can't. His tactics allow for the 3 forwards to push high and be supported by 2 central midfielders, with the full backs bombing on. That isn't defensive or boring at all. What ruins him is what he expects of his midfielders, because they're clearly not creative enough to do what he wants. One or two new centre halves in January would change us hugely, allowing Woods to push up, which Rowett has said several times is an issue, and giving more freedom to the team. My only gripes are his love for Martina, his love for Crouch, and his hatred of Bojan for no apparent reason. The full backs don’t bomb on though. And he’s playing three midfield scrappers without a shred of creativity between them. And his striker and one of his wingers don’t fit the system at all. If you want your team to play effective attacking football you have to create the conditions for it and he isn’t doing that, nor is he interested in doing it. If he was he’d have signed more than one player with a bit of guile, signed a more attacking full back rather than sidelining the ones he’s got, and found room for Bojan in his squad. This ‘if only he had a more mobile centre half thing’ is the latest convenient excuse. Are we really saying we couldn’t afford to allow Woods to have more freedom at home against Ipswich or Millwall? |
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 18:17:32 GMT
Is this Gary himself? Or a poor wind up?
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 27, 2018 18:18:15 GMT
I cannot see any possible reason for keeping Rowett. He has failed miserably since his arrival in May. Other Championship managers have arrived at their clubs later, and achieved as much if not more with a lot less.
If he had something in his CV, like Hughes and Lambert had, that showed he could achieve something I would be more patient, but he has achieved nothing.
Other clubs are flying and we have kept some excellent players, spent a fortune and are turning out turgid dross.
Don't put your faith in the January window, Derby got worse last season after January and just scraped into the play-offs. He blew it there and jumped ship.
He declined to join us last January to take on a the relegation battle in the Prem., so we owe him no loyalty.
The only hope we have of promotion is to get a new manager in, turn over a new leaf and get far more out of the squad we have, and attract some decent players in January.
The Board made a mistake signing him; we all make mistakes. It's time to move on, the bigger mistake would be to perpetuate the error.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 18:19:39 GMT
We have the most expensively assembled squad in the league, we have the highest wage bill in the league, we have the highest paid manager in the league, we have the largest coaching staff in the league. Apart from a few games we have not looked convincing regardless who we have played and lets make no bones about it, it maybe a competitive league but it's a poor one. For what i have said above in the first sentence i would expect us to be more than just hard to beat, we should be hard to stop! The fact is though that the football is slow, predictable, tedious and much more. We create nothing, we panic under pressure and the majority of our game is mainly played in our own third until we revert to a Shawross/Williams/Butland punt up to a player whose about 5'8 and marked by two 6ft plus centre halves without another Stoke player within 40 yards. His substitutions are mind boggling, his attitude towards certain players infuriating and borderline unprofessional. It's all well and good saying you will drop out of form players, yet he's happy to give some a free pass now matter how bad they play. Add to that for what we have spent the new recruits have been ok and and not much more and some truly awful. He's a small fish in a big pond and lacks any winning mentality. The man is better off at a Burton or such like where the dour shit he produces is accepted based on it may keep them up. He's the worst of Hughes and Pulis combined, at least they achieved something here, this wet wipe won't. Oh and more importantly than all of the above, the way he talks annoys the shit out of me. 😁 Great summary boks. |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 27, 2018 18:30:49 GMT
It seems that this seems to be an unpopular opinion at the moment, but im gonna try and muster some sort of defence in favour of keeping Rowett. Yes we are underachieving at the moment, but I think many people (myself included) underestimated how difficult the transition was going to be, and it was very clear in the early stages of the season that the players confidence was still shot from the Hughes era. Rowett has gone some way to remedying this, we are relatively hard to beat and players such as Allen and Butland and to an extent Berahino and Pieters have recaptured the form they are capable of. Plus his signings, Martina aside, have all done well and imo have improved the side if we can get the right players in January to help turn some of these draws into wins we'd be right up there. Furthermore whilst the football has been dire far too often we have shown glimpses of what we are capable of in spells (villa,derby,sheff wed). This is not a happy clapping thread and many of the criticisms levelled at Rowett are valid, however I feel that some fans are jumping the gun too early and that we should at least give Rowett till the end of the season, and the january window, and then reassess his performance then. You've been sussed Gaz!!! |
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 27, 2018 18:37:03 GMT
It seems that this seems to be an unpopular opinion at the moment, but im gonna try and muster some sort of defence in favour of keeping Rowett. Yes we are underachieving at the moment, but I think many people (myself included) underestimated how difficult the transition was going to be, and it was very clear in the early stages of the season that the players confidence was still shot from the Hughes era. Rowett has gone some way to remedying this, we are relatively hard to beat and players such as Allen and Butland and to an extent Berahino and Pieters have recaptured the form they are capable of. Plus his signings, Martina aside, have all done well and imo have improved the side if we can get the right players in January to help turn some of these draws into wins we'd be right up there. Furthermore whilst the football has been dire far too often we have shown glimpses of what we are capable of in spells (villa,derby,sheff wed). This is not a happy clapping thread and many of the criticisms levelled at Rowett are valid, however I feel that some fans are jumping the gun too early and that we should at least give Rowett till the end of the season, and the january window, and then reassess his performance then. Sorry Peter your full of shit 😎 |
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Post by milky on Dec 27, 2018 18:47:07 GMT
Rowett In.....a fucking taxi heading out of Stoke On Trent.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 27, 2018 18:54:22 GMT
He doesn't play defensive football at all, he just expects players who aren't capable (Allen, Martina, etc.) to be able to create when they can't. His tactics allow for the 3 forwards to push high and be supported by 2 central midfielders, with the full backs bombing on. That isn't defensive or boring at all. What ruins him is what he expects of his midfielders, because they're clearly not creative enough to do what he wants. One or two new centre halves in January would change us hugely, allowing Woods to push up, which Rowett has said several times is an issue, and giving more freedom to the team. My only gripes are his love for Martina, his love for Crouch, and his hatred of Bojan for no apparent reason. I think he needs to go but that is a fair defence. If he's staying he needs to be backed to bring in proper centre backs with pace. We are totally hamstrung by our defensive fragility |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 27, 2018 18:56:29 GMT
Great for 3 or 4 games,poor since.In fact I'd drop him You're mental. He's the only thing stopping our midfield from completely falling part. He's had about 2 mediocre games since he's joined. The only criticism in have of woods is that the positive drives forward and immediate forward passing has stopped. Now in his defence, that's probably because he has to drop on to the back four to pick the ball up,ngets pressed by the oposition nad hasnno out ball other than a square ball to either full back. We play too deep with no desire to put the opposition under pressure in their own half. It drives me fucking wild. |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Dec 27, 2018 18:58:30 GMT
He doesn't play defensive football at all, he just expects players who aren't capable (Allen, Martina, etc.) to be able to create when they can't. His tactics allow for the 3 forwards to push high and be supported by 2 central midfielders, with the full backs bombing on. That isn't defensive or boring at all. What ruins him is what he expects of his midfielders, because they're clearly not creative enough to do what he wants. One or two new centre halves in January would change us hugely, allowing Woods to push up, which Rowett has said several times is an issue, and giving more freedom to the team. My only gripes are his love for Martina, his love for Crouch, and his hatred of Bojan for no apparent reason. I think he needs to go but that is a fair defence. If he's staying he needs to be backed to bring in proper centre backs with pace. We are totally hamstrung by our defensive fragility He doesn't help himself by leaving the best right back in the league out of the squad in favour of Martine. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 27, 2018 19:01:25 GMT
I'm reading Jermaine Pennant book . He said that under Pulis , every player dreaded training ,as shape was worked on all the time. No variation. Pulis was easily angered. Under Hughes his staff was snake like. What his staff said to your face was not the same behind your back. If our lads are enjoying training under Rowett. Than he the right coach for our lads. Yes I agree we ran like forest gump yesterday 😎 |
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Post by thevoid on Dec 27, 2018 19:04:36 GMT
Rowett in....or, "Thanks for gouging out my eyeball with a rusty spoon, why don't you go for the other eye now?"
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 27, 2018 19:05:27 GMT
I'm reading Jermaine Pennant book . He said that under Pulis , every player dreaded training ,as shape was worked on all the time. No variation. Pulis was easily angered. Under Hughes his staff was snake like. What his staff said to your face was not the same behind your back. If our lads are enjoying training under Rowett. Than he the right coach for our lads. What does this even mean? |
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Post by eastyorksexile on Dec 27, 2018 19:11:30 GMT
We have the most expensively assembled squad in the league, we have the highest wage bill in the league, we have the highest paid manager in the league, we have the largest coaching staff in the league. Apart from a few games we have not looked convincing regardless who we have played and lets make no bones about it, it maybe a competitive league but it's a poor one. For what i have said above in the first sentence i would expect us to be more than just hard to beat, we should be hard to stop! The fact is though that the football is slow, predictable, tedious and much more. We create nothing, we panic under pressure and the majority of our game is mainly played in our own third until we revert to a Shawross/Williams/Butland punt up to a player whose about 5'8 and marked by two 6ft plus centre halves without another Stoke player within 40 yards. His substitutions are mind boggling, his attitude towards certain players infuriating and borderline unprofessional. It's all well and good saying you will drop out of form players, yet he's happy to give some a free pass now matter how bad they play. Add to that for what we have spent the new recruits have been ok and and not much more and some truly awful. He's a small fish in a big pond and lacks any winning mentality. The man is better off at a Burton or such like where the dour shit he produces is accepted based on it may keep them up. He's the worst of Hughes and Pulis combined, at least they achieved something here, this wet wipe won't. Oh and more importantly than all of the above, the way he talks annoys the shit out of me. 😁 Great summary boks. Yes 100% spot on, I travel down from just outside Hull every home game and do a few away as well, including Birmingham yesterday and Rowett has no plan A or B. I wasn't a big fan of the Pulis style especially away from home and thought Hughes wasn't the right choice as a replacement, however I have to admit I was pleased when Rowett was appointed, but oh how so wrong I was and I am not afraid to admit that, in my opinion we need to get rid of ASAP..... |
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 19:18:41 GMT
Yes 100% spot on, I travel down from just outside Hull every home game and do a few away as well, including Birmingham yesterday and Rowett has no plan A or B. I wasn't a big fan of the Pulis style especially away from home and thought Hughes wasn't the right choice as a replacement, however I have to admit I was pleased when Rowett was appointed, but oh how so wrong I was and I am not afraid to admit that, in my opinion we need to get rid of ASAP..... Takes some guts, I was chastized about the opposite. I thought he was a terrible appointment with no CV or real credible accomplishments you could look at and go, okay he's done it before. I gave him a few weeks as I usually do and rightfully knew his ego was a problem, his lineups and selections we're worse than Hughes at his worst and to top it off I didn't think he'd ostracize players into non existence like a psychopathic version of thanos. Said all along his poor man management skills and asshole attitude would be his undoing. I hate to be right as I Know it affects lots of folks in and around the club to to say this club has a good management team in place making good decisions is the biggest fable worse than this "run" going around. We're a poorly ran club with alot of money thrown at it. |
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Post by waffles on Dec 27, 2018 19:51:16 GMT
We can't just sack manager's every 12 months and hope one eventually works out.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 27, 2018 19:52:36 GMT
If you’re “Rowett in” at this of the season you’re in the running for “Masochist of the Year” title
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Post by thevoid on Dec 27, 2018 19:54:44 GMT
If you’re “Rowett in” at this of the season you’re in the running for “Masochist of the Year” title If there actually is a 'Masochist of the Year', I'd love to know what the prize is. |
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