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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2018 20:00:46 GMT
We can't just sack manager's every 12 months and hope one eventually works out. Erm, why?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 27, 2018 20:04:09 GMT
If you’re “Rowett in” at this of the season you’re in the running for “Masochist of the Year” title If there actually is a 'Masochist of the Year', I'd love to know what the prize is. Circumcision with a rusty salted razor blade while watching a replay of yesterday’s game 🤣
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 27, 2018 20:04:17 GMT
If you’re “Rowett in” at this of the season you’re in the running for “Masochist of the Year” title If there actually is a 'Masochist of the Year', I'd love to know what the prize is. A Stoke season ticket. 2nd prize a Middlesbrough season ticket.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 27, 2018 20:11:20 GMT
Didn't we do this during the Pulis era,Pulis out,Pulis in?
It seems we keep getting managers who split the fan base.
Wouldn't it be great if we could get a manager,where a vast majority if not all the fans can get behind.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 27, 2018 20:26:43 GMT
Didn't we do this during the Pulis era,Pulis out,Pulis in? It seems we keep getting managers who split the fan base. Wouldn't it be great if we could get a manager,where a vast majority if not all the fans can get behind. It's kinda hard to like a guy when they pop off to fans mid match and sow divisions even within their own squad like their fucking Mourinho with a massive squad to fall back on. If they can not just do that and not be an arrogant asshole they might find more supporters who would back them. Not asking much.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Dec 27, 2018 20:29:42 GMT
Considering the state the club & squad was in when we were relegated it was maybe a bit naive to expect an instant return. It's possibly a 2 year plan with GR, PR stuff is not always the same as what gets said behind closed doors
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Post by milky on Dec 27, 2018 20:30:38 GMT
We can't just sack manager's every 12 months and hope one eventually works out. Watford dont do too bad replacing the manager almost every season. I just want to see something different.A progressive young manager with fresh ideas, a completely different approach.It just so happens most are foreign so that wont happen. Instead if we do get shut of Rowett we can look forward to the platitudes as we unveil Bruce or Pardew...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 20:34:10 GMT
Rowett in Rowett out. Maybe he just needs shaking all about!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 20:36:23 GMT
Didn't we do this during the Pulis era,Pulis out,Pulis in? It seems we keep getting managers who split the fan base. Wouldn't it be great if we could get a manager,where a vast majority if not all the fans can get behind. Or we could get a fan base that didn't shit its pants every 3 seconds. Plenty of issues with Rowett, agreed, but very few have actually given any reason besides 'he's boring', with no nuance whatsoever. It was 10 days ago we were all purring over the Villa display.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2018 20:38:11 GMT
Didn't we do this during the Pulis era,Pulis out,Pulis in? It seems we keep getting managers who split the fan base. Wouldn't it be great if we could get a manager,where a vast majority if not all the fans can get behind. Or we could get a fan base that didn't shit its pants every 3 seconds. Plenty of issues with Rowett, agreed, but very few have actually given any reason besides 'he's boring', with no nuance whatsoever. It was 10 days ago we were all purring over the Villa display. There are a fair few reasons beyond ‘it’s boring’ that have been expressed on this very thread. The Villas of the world aren’t the problem are they?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 21:11:43 GMT
Or we could get a fan base that didn't shit its pants every 3 seconds. Plenty of issues with Rowett, agreed, but very few have actually given any reason besides 'he's boring', with no nuance whatsoever. It was 10 days ago we were all purring over the Villa display. There are a fair few reasons beyond ‘it’s boring’ that have been expressed on this very thread. The Villas of the world aren’t the problem are they? They're not, but it seems to be a weird point among our fans that we swing so wildly between completely different standpoints. See the hatred of Woods now all of a sudden.
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Dec 27, 2018 21:14:56 GMT
Didn't we do this during the Pulis era,Pulis out,Pulis in? It seems we keep getting managers who split the fan base. Wouldn't it be great if we could get a manager,where a vast majority if not all the fans can get behind. Lou Macari’s Barmy Army
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2018 21:24:10 GMT
There are a fair few reasons beyond ‘it’s boring’ that have been expressed on this very thread. The Villas of the world aren’t the problem are they? They're not, but it seems to be a weird point among our fans that we swing so wildly between completely different standpoints. See the hatred of Woods now all of a sudden. I think the hatred of Woods is largely the standard failure to understand that kind of midfielder (the same reason why so many still have a bonk on for Charlie while slating Nzonzi, Whelan etc). With Rowett I think a good number of fans fooled themselves early on that young = progressive and now can’t back down. The reason our attacking is so ineffective is because this manager can’t/won’t find room for creativity and has bought the second most expensive striker in our history and doesn’t know how to use him.
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Post by thehoof on Dec 27, 2018 21:26:57 GMT
We can't just sack manager's every 12 months and hope one eventually works out. That’s right but it shouldn’t be used as a defence for the garbage that GR is producing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 21:29:11 GMT
They're not, but it seems to be a weird point among our fans that we swing so wildly between completely different standpoints. See the hatred of Woods now all of a sudden. I think the hatred of Woods is largely the standard failure to understand that kind of midfielder (the same reason why so many still have a bonk on for Charlie while slating Nzonzi, Whelan etc). With Rowett I think a good number of fans fooled themselves early on that young = progressive and now can’t back down. The reason our attacking is so ineffective is because this manager can’t/won’t find room for creativity and has bought the second most expensive striker in our history and doesn’t know how to use him. Most likely, but it happens with everything at the club, see how many now say Clucas is shite after two poorish games. Same sort of thing with many others, Ince/McClean/Berahino/Afobe/Shawcross/Pieters etc etc. So many swing wildly from 'they're the best in the league' to 'they're utter shite and want sacking'. It's tiresome as hell. I agree with the creativity, although as stated elsewhere, I don't think it's so much his formation or mindset, I just think he rates some players too highly.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 27, 2018 21:31:55 GMT
I think the hatred of Woods is largely the standard failure to understand that kind of midfielder (the same reason why so many still have a bonk on for Charlie while slating Nzonzi, Whelan etc). With Rowett I think a good number of fans fooled themselves early on that young = progressive and now can’t back down. The reason our attacking is so ineffective is because this manager can’t/won’t find room for creativity and has bought the second most expensive striker in our history and doesn’t know how to use him. Most likely, but it happens with everything at the club, see how many now say Clucas is shite after two poorish games. Same sort of thing with many others, Ince/McClean/Berahino/Afobe/Shawcross/Pieters etc etc. So many swing wildly from 'they're the best in the league' to 'they're utter shite and want sacking'. It's tiresome as hell. I agree with the creativity, although as stated elsewhere, I don't think it's so much his formation or mindset, I just think he rates some players too highly. I think it’s the mindset in that he favours a RB who doesn’t bomb on particularly well against two who do, he has no interest in Bojan and he doggedly sticks to three dogs of war in the middle. Those aren’t the actions of a positive manager.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 27, 2018 21:38:33 GMT
The "rating players too highly" is itself more nuanced than that, though. It's not just a casual criticism that can be easily brushed off, it's a serious fault. He's either too pig-headed to change, in which case he's not got the best interests of the club at heart, or he doesn't see a problem, in which case, he's incompetent and not good enough.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 28, 2018 17:59:22 GMT
I think he needs to go but that is a fair defence. If he's staying he needs to be backed to bring in proper centre backs with pace. We are totally hamstrung by our defensive fragility He doesn't help himself by leaving the best right back in the league out of the squad in favour of Martine. I'm not sure Edwards is that just yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 18:10:21 GMT
Didn't we do this during the Pulis era,Pulis out,Pulis in? It seems we keep getting managers who split the fan base. Wouldn't it be great if we could get a manager,where a vast majority if not all the fans can get behind. Or we could get a fan base that didn't shit its pants every 3 seconds. Plenty of issues with Rowett, agreed, but very few have actually given any reason besides 'he's boring', with no nuance whatsoever. It was 10 days ago we were all purring over the Villa display. Given any reasons? Apart from the abundance of comments giving plenty of reasons as to why he's not up to the job? Shows how far we have fallen and how he's generated so little to get excited about that apparently we were all purring over a draw against Villa. Not a win but a draw. If you are ok with how the season is going then fair play, your standards are lower than most. Personally i would rather see the most expensively assembled team in the league with the highest wage bill, highest paid manager and largest team of coaching staff to be producing much more than sideways passing in our own half until we panic then lump it up to Berahino. Also barely mustering a shot against the shitest of the shit in what is a bloody awful league. Hey if that's progress to you then you are a Peter Coates wet dream of a fan. While the rest of us will rightly expect more, sadly the CV on the manager suggests he knows little more than what he is showing. We will end the season with a team full of plodders, nowt so certain.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 18:25:15 GMT
Or we could get a fan base that didn't shit its pants every 3 seconds. Plenty of issues with Rowett, agreed, but very few have actually given any reason besides 'he's boring', with no nuance whatsoever. It was 10 days ago we were all purring over the Villa display. Given any reasons? Apart from the abundance of comments giving plenty of reasons as to why he's not up to the job? Shows how far we have fallen and how he's generated so little to get excited about that apparently we were all purring over a draw against Villa. Not a win but a draw. If you are ok with how the season is going then fair play, your standards are lower than most. Personally i would rather see the most expensively assembled team in the league with the highest wage bill, highest paid manager and largest team of coaching staff to be producing much more than sideways passing in our own half until we panic then lump it up to Berahino. Also barely mustering a shot against the shitest of the shit in what is a bloody awful league. Hey if that's progress to you then you are a Peter Coates wet dream of a fan. While the rest of us will rightly expect more, sadly the CV on the manager suggests he knows little more than what he is showing. We will end the season with a team full of plodders, nowt so certain. You can have issues with some of what the manager does and still not think he should be sacked. My issue with some fans is that there is no nuance whatsoever, it swings hugely from one side to the other. Rowett has issues but it's not nearly as bad as some are saying. See those who've said 'We haven't looked good at all in this run' when we have in several games.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 28, 2018 18:40:49 GMT
Given any reasons? Apart from the abundance of comments giving plenty of reasons as to why he's not up to the job? Shows how far we have fallen and how he's generated so little to get excited about that apparently we were all purring over a draw against Villa. Not a win but a draw. If you are ok with how the season is going then fair play, your standards are lower than most. Personally i would rather see the most expensively assembled team in the league with the highest wage bill, highest paid manager and largest team of coaching staff to be producing much more than sideways passing in our own half until we panic then lump it up to Berahino. Also barely mustering a shot against the shitest of the shit in what is a bloody awful league. Hey if that's progress to you then you are a Peter Coates wet dream of a fan. While the rest of us will rightly expect more, sadly the CV on the manager suggests he knows little more than what he is showing. We will end the season with a team full of plodders, nowt so certain. You can have issues with some of what the manager does and still not think he should be sacked. My issue with some fans is that there is no nuance whatsoever, it swings hugely from one side to the other. Rowett has issues but it's not nearly as bad as some are saying. See those who've said 'We haven't looked good at all in this run' when we have in several games. We’ve looked good in patches alright but we’ve not looked good for a whole game or dominated anyone, even the shit teams. What games do you think we’ve looked good in?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 28, 2018 19:00:23 GMT
Listening to Rowett on Radio stoke. Rowett in . Give him 18 months. Another year. He certainly can’t talk the talk, pity about the walking the walk bit..,
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 19:10:31 GMT
You can have issues with some of what the manager does and still not think he should be sacked. My issue with some fans is that there is no nuance whatsoever, it swings hugely from one side to the other. Rowett has issues but it's not nearly as bad as some are saying. See those who've said 'We haven't looked good at all in this run' when we have in several games. We’ve looked good in patches alright but we’ve not looked good for a whole game or dominated anyone, even the shit teams. What games do you think we’ve looked good in? Derby, QPR, Villa, Reading. Good result or not, those were good performances.
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 28, 2018 19:17:21 GMT
Rowett in ,give him this window to bring in the players he needs ,I get the negativity issues but I think a couple more of his own players then it will look a lot different .
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Post by Roger Everyone on Dec 28, 2018 19:44:06 GMT
Listening to Rowett on Radio stoke. Rowett in . Give him 18 months. Another year. Yep to early to get rid of someone who could be long term in my opinion. Looking at the list of possible replacments on here yesterday is quite frightening. He might not have had the best start but we will make the playoffs. Given some time to clear a few players out in the next two windows and bring some in will give us a better idea of what he really can do. So Rowett in for me.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 28, 2018 20:02:30 GMT
He's by no means perfect but he's given us a fighting chance of making the play offs and I don't think the team are firing on all cylinders yet. We changed managers this time last year and if anything things got worse and unless the new manager comes in and get us challenging for top 2 in a couple of months (which won't happen) there will be a clamouring for yet another change at the end of the season.
The best thing the club can do is to ignore the <insert name here> Out chants and just crack on turning the club back into a competitive outfit rather than a showground for poseurs and wastrels - which takes time and patience, something a lot pf people don't have.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 28, 2018 20:03:24 GMT
Listening to Rowett on Radio stoke. Rowett in . Give him 18 months. Another year. Yep to early to get rid of someone who could be long term in my opinion. Looking at the list of possible replacments on here yesterday is quite frightening. He might not have had the best start but we will make the playoffs. Given some time to clear a few players out in the next two windows and bring some in will give us a better idea of what he really can do. So Rowett in for me. How so? Our current form isn’t good enough to make the playoffs. What makes you think we will improve dramatically but the teams above us won’t?
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Post by Roger Everyone on Dec 28, 2018 20:10:33 GMT
Yep to early to get rid of someone who could be long term in my opinion. Looking at the list of possible replacments on here yesterday is quite frightening. He might not have had the best start but we will make the playoffs. Given some time to clear a few players out in the next two windows and bring some in will give us a better idea of what he really can do. So Rowett in for me. How so? Our current form isn’t good enough to make the playoffs. What makes you think we will improve dramatically but the teams above us won’t? Only time will tell, but i believe we will make the play offs and have all season.
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 28, 2018 20:26:40 GMT
How so? Our current form isn’t good enough to make the playoffs. What makes you think we will improve dramatically but the teams above us won’t? Only time will tell, but i believe we will make the play offs and have all season. I hope you’re right.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 28, 2018 20:50:11 GMT
How so? Our current form isn’t good enough to make the playoffs. What makes you think we will improve dramatically but the teams above us won’t? Only time will tell, but i believe we will make the play offs and have all season. Why? Is that based on anything other than blind faith?
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