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Post by thevoid on Nov 17, 2018 9:31:10 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/news/potters-backing-rainbow-laces-campaignIf LGBT people want to attend football matches, crack on- I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid. What people do find irritating though is unnecessary virtue-signalling (IMHO of course). I can't imagine rainbow-coloured substitute boards will make any difference whatsoever to LGBT rights around the globe- it will probably massage somebody's ego though.
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Post by pretzel on Nov 17, 2018 10:18:43 GMT
If the club actively want to promote LGBT inclusivity, maybe they could have started by informing us what the acronym stands for in it's article.
Subconscious prejudice maybe?
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Post by philm87 on Nov 17, 2018 10:30:11 GMT
I'm confused.
What is the problem with us doing this?
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 17, 2018 10:34:41 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/news/potters-backing-rainbow-laces-campaignIf LGBT people want to attend football matches, crack on- I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid. What people do find irritating though is unnecessary virtue-signalling (IMHO of course). I can't imagine rainbow-coloured substitute boards will make any difference whatsoever to LGBT rights around the globe- it will probably massage somebody's ego though. While I am prepared fo acept the right for them to live there lives how they see fit I wish they would respect my right not to give a flying fuck and stop the constant barage of propaganda |
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Post by madnellie on Nov 17, 2018 10:34:42 GMT
I'm confused. What is the problem with us doing this? I've no idea mate. No one is forcing anyone to wear them. |
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Post by madnellie on Nov 17, 2018 10:37:45 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/news/potters-backing-rainbow-laces-campaignIf LGBT people want to attend football matches, crack on- I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid. What people do find irritating though is unnecessary virtue-signalling (IMHO of course). I can't imagine rainbow-coloured substitute boards will make any difference whatsoever to LGBT rights around the globe- it will probably massage somebody's ego though. While I am prepared fo acept the right for them to live there lives how they see fit I wish they would respect my right not to give a flying fuck and stop the constant barage of propaganda Wow. |
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Post by philm87 on Nov 17, 2018 10:59:12 GMT
I'm confused. What is the problem with us doing this? I've no idea mate. No one is forcing anyone to wear them. It even makes them angry as well. I just don't get it. |
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Post by philm87 on Nov 17, 2018 11:00:45 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/news/potters-backing-rainbow-laces-campaignIf LGBT people want to attend football matches, crack on- I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid. What people do find irritating though is unnecessary virtue-signalling (IMHO of course). I can't imagine rainbow-coloured substitute boards will make any difference whatsoever to LGBT rights around the globe- it will probably massage somebody's ego though. While I am prepared fo acept the right for them to live there lives how they see fit I wish they would respect my right not to give a flying fuck and stop the constant barage of propaganda But clearly you do give a flying fuck? Clearly this is something you feel strongly about, or you would just be passively indifferent? And what is this 'constant barrage of propaganda' ... I must be blind and deaf to have missed it all these years? |
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Post by madnellie on Nov 17, 2018 11:09:06 GMT
I've no idea mate. No one is forcing anyone to wear them. It even makes them angry as well. I just don't get it. It's bizarre. I can very much see the point of the rainbow laces campaign. Football attracts a huge amount of young men (both gay and straight) and the highest suicide rates are amongst young, gay men. I don't see an issue with something that might make young gay men in the crowd who are struggling feel at least a little bit more accepted when they see the players choosing to wear those laces. People don't think of the potential consequences of the things they say and their reaction to something as harmless and innocuous and rainbow laces. It can be the straw that finally breaks someones back. |
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Post by dastokie on Nov 17, 2018 11:32:35 GMT
Oh no will Mr McClean wear them with his strong Catholic beliefs.
Or will he give a statement about his beliefs and upset Block 19.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 11:34:31 GMT
Most of the comments on this thread prove exactly why the campaign is good.
If you're genuinely upset about people wearing different shoelaces to show solidarity then I'd suggest it is you who has the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 11:35:13 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/news/potters-backing-rainbow-laces-campaignIf LGBT people want to attend football matches, crack on- I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid. What people do find irritating though is unnecessary virtue-signalling (IMHO of course). I can't imagine rainbow-coloured substitute boards will make any difference whatsoever to LGBT rights around the globe- it will probably massage somebody's ego though. While I am prepared fo acept the right for them to live there lives how they see fit I wish they would respect my right not to give a flying fuck and stop the constant barage of propaganda For fuck's sake. ???  |
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Post by dastokie on Nov 17, 2018 11:36:43 GMT
Red and yellow and pink and green.
I can see this upsetting Mcclean.
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Post by madnellie on Nov 17, 2018 11:40:14 GMT
Oh no will Mr McClean wear them with his strong Catholic beliefs. Or will he give a statement about his beliefs and upset Block 19. Catholic doesn't equal homophobe. Ireland was the first country to legalise gay marriage via a referendum. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 17, 2018 11:56:29 GMT
While I am prepared fo acept the right for them to live there lives how they see fit I wish they would respect my right not to give a flying fuck and stop the constant barage of propaganda But clearly you do give a flying fuck? Clearly this is something you feel strongly about, or you would just be passively indifferent? And what is this 'constant barrage of propaganda' ... I must be blind and deaf to have missed it all these years? No I don’t give a flying fuck what sexuality anyone is or what ithey do behind closed doors I don’t believe a persons sexuality should be exhibited in public including heterosexual It’s all part of the snowflaking of society where we are all supposed to be touchy feely and offer shit load of fake sympathy every time someone’s upset It’s not for me |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 17, 2018 11:59:31 GMT
It even makes them angry as well. I just don't get it. It's bizarre. I can very much see the point of the rainbow laces campaign. Football attracts a huge amount of young men (both gay and straight) and the highest suicide rates are amongst young, gay men. I don't see an issue with something that might make young gay men in the crowd who are struggling feel at least a little bit more accepted when they see the players choosing to wear those laces. People don't think of the potential consequences of the things they say and their reaction to something as harmless and innocuous and rainbow laces. It can be the straw that finally breaks someones back. Totally agree with all of that, but do you not think the politicization of this has gone a little far? You are absolutely right about male suicide being the biggest killer of men under the age of 40, yet you yourself turn this into an identity politics issue by saying it's a bigger problem among gay men. I've not seen this, so I would like to see the stats on it before we once again ostracize the straight male population which has been all but shunned by society these days. |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 17, 2018 12:01:16 GMT
Most of the comments on this thread prove exactly why the campaign is good. If you're genuinely upset about people wearing different shoelaces to show solidarity then I'd suggest it is you who has the problem. Is anyone actually bothered about the laces? I'm not. I think they're a good thing. What I don't think is clever, is how people say "we should wear these laces because gay men are killing themselves". Actually, the biggest killer among ALL men under the age 40 is suicide. The numbers are staggering, but because a large majority of those are straight white men, nobody actually gives a flying fuck. |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 17, 2018 12:04:30 GMT
By the way, I urge the OP to rename the utterly ridiculous thread title. Not only does it come across a tad homophobic, it makes us look like a bunch of backward troglodytes.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 17, 2018 12:05:41 GMT
View AttachmentCatholic doesn't equal homophobe. Ireland was the first country to legalise gay marriage via a referendum. Yes so the priests could have a peace of mind when abusing the young lads. Not necessary. Completely pointless. Why the fuck does every thread on this ridiculous forum have to turn into an anti fucking McClean thread? Honestly, for fucks sake. |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 17, 2018 12:07:08 GMT
Fake sympathy... nail on head.
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Post by stokemark on Nov 17, 2018 12:07:18 GMT
But clearly you do give a flying fuck? Clearly this is something you feel strongly about, or you would just be passively indifferent? And what is this 'constant barrage of propaganda' ... I must be blind and deaf to have missed it all these years? No I don’t give a flying fuck what sexuality anyone is or what ithey do behind closed doors I don’t believe a persons sexuality should be exhibited in public including heterosexual It’s all part of the snowflaking of society where we are all supposed to be touchy feely and offer shit load of fake sympathy every time someone’s upset It’s not for me Let me guess You also admire Nigel Farage and want a Brexit so hard your teeth rattle |
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Post by stokemark on Nov 17, 2018 12:08:45 GMT
Fake sympathy... nail on head. It's not about sympathy is it - it's trying to show support to people who are different than the norm and that being so is ok |
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Post by madnellie on Nov 17, 2018 12:10:41 GMT
It's bizarre. I can very much see the point of the rainbow laces campaign. Football attracts a huge amount of young men (both gay and straight) and the highest suicide rates are amongst young, gay men. I don't see an issue with something that might make young gay men in the crowd who are struggling feel at least a little bit more accepted when they see the players choosing to wear those laces. People don't think of the potential consequences of the things they say and their reaction to something as harmless and innocuous and rainbow laces. It can be the straw that finally breaks someones back. Totally agree with all of that, but do you not think the politicization of this has gone a little far? You are absolutely right about male suicide being the biggest killer of men under the age of 40, yet you yourself turn this into an identity politics issue by saying it's a bigger problem among gay men. I've not seen this, so I would like to see the stats on it before we once again ostracize the straight male population which has been all but shunned by society these days. I would love for it not to be an issue but it has been, and for a long time. Don't get me wrong, all young men need more support when it comes to mental health but those who are gay are even more vulnerable to these issues. Sadly it is even MORE common in young men who are gay (or bisexual): www.mentalhealth.org.uk/statistics/mental-health-statistics-lgbt-peoplepublichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2017/07/06/mental-health-challenges-within-the-lgbt-community/It's even worse when it comes to trans kids: www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/27/half-of-trans-pupils-in-the-uk-tried-to-take-their-own-lives-survey-finds |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 17, 2018 12:11:09 GMT
Fake sympathy... nail on head. It's not about sympathy is it - it's trying to show support to people who are different than the norm and that being so is ok I thought the point was about them being normal? |
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Post by madnellie on Nov 17, 2018 12:11:55 GMT
View AttachmentCatholic doesn't equal homophobe. Ireland was the first country to legalise gay marriage via a referendum. Yes so the priests could have a peace of mind when abusing the young lads. You do know that paedophilia and homosexuality are completely different things, right? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2018 12:12:22 GMT
www.stokecityfc.com/news/potters-backing-rainbow-laces-campaignIf LGBT people want to attend football matches, crack on- I don't think anyone would bat an eyelid. What people do find irritating though is unnecessary virtue-signalling (IMHO of course). I can't imagine rainbow-coloured substitute boards will make any difference whatsoever to LGBT rights around the globe- it will probably massage somebody's ego though. While I am prepared fo acept the right for them to live there lives how they see fit I wish they would respect my right not to give a flying fuck and stop the constant barage of propaganda Then don’t give a flying fuck. It’s not like anyone is trying to trick you in to turning gay against your wishes! |
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Post by madnellie on Nov 17, 2018 12:12:50 GMT
Fake sympathy... nail on head. Lol |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 17, 2018 12:18:54 GMT
Fake sympathy... nail on head. Lol 99.9% of fans don't give a fuck. Fake sympathy from pro-football who worship only the coin. |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 17, 2018 12:22:35 GMT
Thanks for this. I will have a read. It doesn't exactly surprise me that is bigger among gay men (I assume proportionally?) than straight men, I just worry that we are slowly but surely isolating an entire group of people who also have feelings and emotions. All this "white privilege patriarchy" stuff, tell that to the homeless man who has just lost his house, wife, kids etc. That's a fairly common scenario as well, feel free to take a trip to the Lou Macari centre to find out. Going back to the issue of suicide among gay men, again this doesn't surprise me. After all, homosexuality has been considered an aberrant lifestyle for many years. It has only been considered acceptable in the last 20-30 years, which is a stain on history really, isn't it? There's still a huge stigma and many of the older generation will never accept homosexuality as acceptable. Without sounding a tad morbid, it may take a generation or two dying out before the social fabric changes enough that nobody lifts an eyebrow. I was aware of the issue of trans suicide. I believe the numbers are staggering among post-op trans people I believe? This is one of the reasons, I try to legislate that we advise people to think very carefully before they make life changing (and surgical) decisions. Unfortunately, when I say these things, I get called transphobic and insensitive. I'm not remotely transphobic. I don't hate trans people whatsoever. When people go under the knife to get gender re-assignment surgery, there is essentially no going back and I sometimes wonder how many regret their decisions afterwards. You are making physical and irreparable changes to your body. It's not about shaming them or making them feel bad or even disrespecting their feelings, it's about just reminding them that what they are about to do is HUGE. I shudder when I hear that kids are being given hormones like oestrogen because they feel confused. These are the kind of children who will be a statistic very soon if we don't get this under control. I know that again might sound insensitive, but the brain of a child is not fully developed and therefore what might seem like the world now, might just be passing time in their life. Instead, we are sentencing to a life of potential misery. |
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Post by metalhead on Nov 17, 2018 12:24:40 GMT
Yes so the priests could have a peace of mind when abusing the young lads. You do know that paedophilia and homosexuality are completely different things, right? Apparently pedophilia is legal if gay marriage is legal.... or something like that? Fuck knows I've given up trying on this board at times. |
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