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Post by nott1 on Oct 2, 2018 6:24:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 6:34:51 GMT
Got up at 5am this morning to start work early to try and finish in time to go tonight knowing full well at 7pm when I see McLean’s name in that starting 11 and not Bojan’s I’ll be so angry I wish I hadn’t bothered! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 6:43:06 GMT
I would rather the manager did it his way without the pressure of bojan fans forcing him Who will we blame at the end of the day? Him or ourselves? I like bojan, but the manager must be free to decide |
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Post by adamsson on Oct 2, 2018 6:45:21 GMT
I would rather the manager did it his way without the pressure of bojan fans forcing him Who will we blame at the end of the day? Him or ourselves? I like bojan, but the manager must be free to decide Because we are doing so well |
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Post by heworksardtho on Oct 2, 2018 6:46:36 GMT
Got up at 5am this morning to start work early to try and finish in time to go tonight knowing full well at 7pm when I see McLean’s name in that starting 11 and not Bojan’s I’ll be so angry I wish I hadn’t bothered! Those paper round jobs are a nightmare |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 2, 2018 6:48:20 GMT
And I assume twisting his fucking neck instead of his arm would still be frowned upon by society?
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Post by biglad180 on Oct 2, 2018 9:12:32 GMT
we look a better team with bojan in the team not giving him a run in the side may cost him is job in the end
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 2, 2018 9:23:48 GMT
Doesn't like footballers does Rowett!!!
That's why McClean will walk straight back into the side when fit!!!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 2, 2018 9:34:08 GMT
I would rather the manager did it his way without the pressure of bojan fans forcing him Who will we blame at the end of the day? Him or ourselves? I like bojan, but the manager must be free to decide Because we are doing so well Going forward yes or do you think he could do a job in defence  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 2, 2018 9:34:52 GMT
we look a better team with bojan in the team not giving him a run in the side may cost him is job in the end Not if we're still scoring goals it wont. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 2, 2018 10:05:47 GMT
The insinuation that the league is a challenge for Bojan is utterly ridiculous. He is way too good to ply his trade in this league if he is even at 70% of his best. Get him in the side and let the opposition worry about him/us.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Oct 2, 2018 10:14:18 GMT
I understand what Rowett is saying, but he'd be extremely silly to leave Bojan on the bench.
McClean is available, that's nice for him. He did absolutely nothing other than run around when he was fit, so there's just no way he gets back in straight away.
The team should in my opinion be this
Butland
Martina Williams Bruno Pieters
Woods
Etebo
Ince Bojan
Afobe Berahino
Woods and Etebo in the middle with Woods a little deeper obviously.
Bojan left side of a diamond, Ince right side of the diamond.
Saido and Afobe up front pressing.
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Post by pavel on Oct 2, 2018 10:17:57 GMT
A pretty unbelievable interview which to a degree patronises the fans and pours cold water to Bojan's contribution to the team when he's been on the pitch to a large degree. Scant, faint praise is usually damning, Bojan appears to be a distraction to Rowett and he doesn't like it.
It's not a question of thinking, weighing up if Bojan should come in to freshen up the team, with the lack of flair and invention we have at the moment he should be starting full stop unless his form says otherwise. If Rowett can't "risk" starting him against Bolton then I give up.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 2, 2018 10:45:59 GMT
Doesn't like footballers does Rowett!!! That's why McClean will walk straight back into the side when fit!!! We will soon be changing our name to SCCC. STOKE CITY CLOGGERS CLUB.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 10:51:51 GMT
Because we are doing so well Going forward yes or do you think he could do a job in defence Stop saying we are doing well going forward! We are not doing well enough. Not at all. |
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Post by miggoscfc on Oct 2, 2018 10:59:02 GMT
Going forward yes or do you think he could do a job in defence Stop saying we are doing well going forward! We are not doing well enough. Not at all. But we are doing well going forward ? We have 2 strikers scoring as well as ince, diouf, mclean and bojan all chipping in. The problems are at the back. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 11:04:43 GMT
I understand what Rowett is saying, but he'd be extremely silly to leave Bojan on the bench. McClean is available, that's nice for him. He did absolutely nothing other than run around when he was fit, so there's just no way he gets back in straight away. The team should in my opinion be this Butland Martina Williams Bruno Pieters Woods Etebo Ince Bojan Afobe Berahino Woods and Etebo in the middle with Woods a little deeper obviously. Bojan left side of a diamond, Ince right side of the diamond. Saido and Afobe up front pressing. If you're playing the diamond formation you need a central attacking midfielder ahead of two wide players and a defensive midfielder. But you play with a defensive and a central midfielder, two wide, and no one in front of the other three or just behind the front two. You could ask Berahino to drop back but it would still not make it a diamond. Your approach, which is very Rowett-like except of course he'd have no Bojan in his starting eleven, is very defensive, especially for a home team. Yet we should probably play with two dms to protect our helpless defenders. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 11:07:28 GMT
Stop saying we are doing well going forward! We are not doing well enough. Not at all. But we are doing well going forward ? We have 2 strikers scoring as well as ince, diouf, mclean and bojan all chipping in. The problems are at the back. We win and lose as a team. At the moment we lose more often than win. Until we score more than we concede it's not good enough. We could have scored 57 goals by the end of the season, but if we concede 75 we will go down! |
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Post by lstokie on Oct 2, 2018 11:30:57 GMT
with the lack of flair and invention we have at the moment  |
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Oct 2, 2018 11:35:56 GMT
I for one am disgusted that he wasn't giving our team news away the day before a game to give the opposition an advantage...
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 2, 2018 11:36:48 GMT
Rowett on Bojan?
He wishes.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 2, 2018 11:42:23 GMT
Or maybe he does know better than the fans? If we all know better, then why aren't we earning tens of thousands a week managing professional football teams?
All he's basically said is that he'll make decisions on who plays based on what will benefit the team in that game...exactly what a manager should do really. It is possible he thinks Bojan benefits the side more and is more effective when he's brought on later in the game, when gaps on the field naturally open up and his "game changing ability" would be more damaging to the opposition isn't it? Or is that just too obvious?
He actually praised Bojan in that interview re: his attitude and training, but of course we'll ignore that and just come up with a conspiracy theory that he's refusing to play him (which he never even said) out of some kind of egotisitical spite. Fuck it, can we use Bojan not being picked to somehow blame Rowett for 9/11 while we're at it?
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Post by kustokie on Oct 2, 2018 11:44:03 GMT
I would rather the manager did it his way without the pressure of bojan fans forcing him Who will we blame at the end of the day? Him or ourselves? I like bojan, but the manager must be free to decide Of course the manager is free to chose, it’s his job. However, that doesn’t he is immune from criticism, defending those decisions is also part of his job, and the best defence is results. |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Oct 2, 2018 11:48:14 GMT
I would rather the manager did it his way without the pressure of bojan fans forcing him Who will we blame at the end of the day? Him or ourselves? I like bojan, but the manager must be free to decide Of course the manager is free to chose, it’s his job. However, that doesn’t he is immune from criticism, defending those decisions is also part of his job, and the best defence is results. Correct. But does coming up with completely baseless and unfounded conspiracy theories (based on literally nothing other than what someone on here has come up with in their own mind) about him refusing to play people in case it makes it look like the fans are right, count as valid criticism when that person has never met the bloke, has no clue about his character in general or what his plans for the player even are? Personally i think it counts as massive speculation, conjecture and pure guesswork led by nothing other than someone having way too much time on their hands. |
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Post by adamsson on Oct 2, 2018 11:51:01 GMT
Because we are doing so well Going forward yes or do you think he could do a job in defence We are joint 8th in terms of goals scored which isn't that good. |
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Post by kustokie on Oct 2, 2018 12:00:15 GMT
Of course the manager is free to chose, it’s his job. However, that doesn’t he is immune from criticism, defending those decisions is also part of his job, and the best defence is results. Correct. But does coming up with completely baseless and unfounded conspiracy theories (based on literally nothing other than what someone on here has come up with in their own mind) about him refusing to play people in case it makes it look like the fans are right, count as valid criticism when that person has never met the bloke, has no clue about his character in general or what his plans for the player even are? Personally i think it counts as massive speculation, conjecture and pure guesswork led by nothing other than someone having way too much time on their hands. I don’t disagree with any of that, in fact I am as scientist and I try to base all my decisions on data and not jump to conclusions. Unfortunately, the data we have to assess is incomplete and unsatisfactory, so we can only speculate and develop theories. Eventually are theories are proved correct or incorrect by the performance of the players (which is subjective) and results on the pitch (which are 100% objective). |
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Post by pavel on Oct 2, 2018 12:01:14 GMT
Of course the manager is free to chose, it’s his job. However, that doesn’t he is immune from criticism, defending those decisions is also part of his job, and the best defence is results. Correct. But does coming up with completely baseless and unfounded conspiracy theories (based on literally nothing other than what someone on here has come up with in their own mind) about him refusing to play people in case it makes it look like the fans are right, count as valid criticism when that person has never met the bloke, has no clue about his character in general or what his plans for the player even are? Personally i think it counts as massive speculation, conjecture and pure guesswork led by nothing other than someone having way too much time on their hands. Of course the manager decides, perhaps he doesn't fit into Rowett's style of play/pattern/set up he has in mind, but reading through the lines of his interview I felt Bojan is a distraction to him and though he praised him for his training and effort I perceived (and yes it subjective), his praise for his effort on the field was lukewarm at best. I don't think it's all groundless speculation with Rowett's views re Hughes and Vydra, I don't think it's anything personal but more about his football philosophy. |
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 2, 2018 13:12:55 GMT
But we are doing well going forward ? We have 2 strikers scoring as well as ince, diouf, mclean and bojan all chipping in. The problems are at the back. We win and lose as a team. At the moment we lose more often than win. Until we score more than we concede it's not good enough. We could have scored 57 goals by the end of the season, but if we concede 75 we will go down! Firstly, no we won't, that's not how football works. A -18 GD would be unlikely to see us relegated in this division. Secondly we're on course to score a lot more than 57 Thirdly you're literally arguing against your own point |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 13:14:12 GMT
Ive only just seen what rowett said in the link and my previous post above has pretty much gone inline with his words......I think that pretty much makes him a God.....if there could be two |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 14:35:07 GMT
Secondly we're on course to score a lot more than 57 No. I don't think so. We only score in spite on the days when we are already down by 2 or 3. When we have to be the creative force in a game where the other team sits back, we struggle almightily to get the first goal. It's just not good enough. However I will grant you that we are on course to score more than we did last season, or the one before, or the one before that... Too bad my arguments gave you a headache! |
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