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Post by mattythestokie on Sept 14, 2018 17:43:15 GMT
Signing a 3rd right back was ridiculous.
Our best right back not even being able get in the squad never mind first team is even more ridiculous.
Don’t understand the reason behind some of these decisions at all.
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Post by adi on Sept 14, 2018 18:13:08 GMT
These kind of decisions are what make me firmly believe we won’t be going up.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 14, 2018 18:22:20 GMT
As said above, who would you replace him with? A fuckin traffic cone! I'm one of the few who actually likes Peiters, but this still made me laugh!!!
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Post by Absolution on Sept 14, 2018 18:23:59 GMT
It's all a bit odd this. In the summer, he said this about him: “We wanted as many of the players who we felt could make a massive difference to buy in to what we are doing and commit to the Club.
“First and foremost it’s a statement of intent from the Club that we want to be strong and possibly stronger than last season and secondly it’s confirmation that players can see that we’re planning for a real push. Its fantastic news and I’m looking forward to working with another top player.”
Rowett added: “I’ve watched quite a lot of the games from last season and Moritz was one of the ones who stood out just because of his energy, quality and I thought his attitude was fantastic.
“Obviously his versatility is also an added bonus, although I predominately see him as an attacking right-back.
“Since I’ve started working with him I’ve been really impressed with his attitude. He wants to work, he wants to stay behind after training and do extra because he’s so diligent and professional and I think it’s another good news story for the Club.”Rowett on Bauer deal... and now he's in the U-23s? That's some fall from grace to go from superlatives such as "He stood out last season and I thought his attitude was fantastic" and that last line above about his attitude again, his dilligence and his professionalism to playing with the nu-stiffs. The whole club is a bit odd. Everything said and done in connection with the club, players, owners, conversations on here, the works, everything over the past two and a half years all boils down to that one little phrase; "The whole club is a bit odd." Like finding out the meaning of life is the number 42. What a depressing shambles.
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Post by Club1863 on Sept 14, 2018 18:30:07 GMT
If the local press were any good they would be asking why Bauer is playing with the under 23s it’s buzzard a player who was one of a very select few who brought energy into a poor side last season.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 14, 2018 18:40:25 GMT
Thought he would've got on the bench tomorrow as wide cover with McClean out - but it looks like Edwards is the only u23 he trusts on the bench.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2018 18:43:09 GMT
Thought he would've got on the bench tomorrow as wide cover with McClean out - but it looks like Edwards is the only u23 he trusts on the bench. That shouldn't come into it though FM. Fletcher and Woods were on the bench against WBA. That's totally unnecessary. Edwards and Bauer offers cover in numerous positions and one where we actually need some cover. It's quite ridiculous.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 14, 2018 18:57:07 GMT
Thought he would've got on the bench tomorrow as wide cover with McClean out - but it looks like Edwards is the only u23 he trusts on the bench. That shouldn't come into it though FM. Fletcher and Woods were on the bench against WBA. That's totally unnecessary. Edwards and Bauer offers cover in numerous positions and one where we actually need some cover. It's quite ridiculous. Yeah - although I can just about defend it tomorrow if we go 4-3-3. It's clear he's going to go with Edwards ahead of him for the foreseeable future - and if that's the case, you can make a case for all of the likely 7 ahead of Bauer, although it leaves us very short of wide cover (but there's nothing new there - and presumably he'd argue Bojan is the player he'd ask to play there and play it differently if Diouf or Ince got injured) Which one of the likely 7 would you leave out for him (assuming Edwards is going to be one of them to tick the club-developed box)? Federici The senior centre-half who doesn't start The 2 strikers who don't start Bojan Edwards Fletcher
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 18:59:49 GMT
The caveat to this is we don't know what's gone on behind closed doors, so with a fair wind and everything being straight then it's a fair statement to say it is totally ridiculous.
He deserved to be dropped. He was poor at Leeds and appalling v Brentford.
As a manager you've made your point by now though, so bring him back into the fold and move on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2018 18:59:57 GMT
That shouldn't come into it though FM. Fletcher and Woods were on the bench against WBA. That's totally unnecessary. Edwards and Bauer offers cover in numerous positions and one where we actually need some cover. It's quite ridiculous. Yeah - although I can just about defend it tomorrow if we go 4-3-3. It's clear he's going to go with Edwards ahead of him for the foreseeable future - and if that's the case, you can make a case for all of the likely 7 ahead of Bauer, although it leaves us very short of wide cover (but there's nothing new there - and presumably he'd argue Bojan is the player he'd ask to play there and play it differently if Diouf or Ince got injured) Which one of the likely 7 would you leave out for him (assuming Edwards is going to be one of them to tick the club-developed box)? Federici Senior centre-half The 2 strikers who don't start Bojan Edwards Fletcher I just don't think he's (Fletcher) needed even if you play 433. If one of them gets injured bring on Bojan. Bauer should be on the wing ahead of Bojan. Bojan should be starting as a number 10. I really don't think we have another option.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Sept 14, 2018 19:00:47 GMT
I dislike Rowett more and more every day.
He needs to start getting results sharpish, as there isn't much else going for him.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Sept 14, 2018 19:01:53 GMT
The caveat to this is we don't know what's gone on behind closed doors, so with a fair wind and everything being straight then it's a fair statement to say it is totally ridiculous. He deserved to be dropped. He was poor at Leeds and appalling v Brentford. As a manager you've made your point by now though, so bring him back into the fold and move on. He was no worse than any of the other defenders playing. I'd argue Pieters was worse in fact, and cost us more goals.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2018 19:09:03 GMT
It’s uttering ridiculous and tocixity will rise again deservedly tomorrow m come 5-00pm as Rowett snd co again prove to be totally out of their dept
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2018 19:13:07 GMT
Lovely cross that ultimately led to the u23 goal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 19:15:17 GMT
The caveat to this is we don't know what's gone on behind closed doors, so with a fair wind and everything being straight then it's a fair statement to say it is totally ridiculous. He deserved to be dropped. He was poor at Leeds and appalling v Brentford. As a manager you've made your point by now though, so bring him back into the fold and move on. He was no worse than any of the other defenders playing. I'd argue Pieters was worse in fact, and cost us more goals. That's the wrong argument to have although I respect your opinion. The argument is the other point I was making about enough being enough, making the point and moving on. Just bring him back into the squad and have done.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Sept 14, 2018 20:28:12 GMT
It is baffling he isn't even making the first team squad, the lad must be gutted after signing the contract.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 14, 2018 20:28:33 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2018 20:45:08 GMT
He was no worse than any of the other defenders playing. I'd argue Pieters was worse in fact, and cost us more goals. That's the wrong argument to have although I respect your opinion. The argument is the other point I was making about enough being enough, making the point and moving on. Just bring him back into the squad and have done. Maybe he's not making a point, maybe he just doesn't rate him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 14, 2018 20:49:16 GMT
That's the wrong argument to have although I respect your opinion. The argument is the other point I was making about enough being enough, making the point and moving on. Just bring him back into the squad and have done. Maybe he's not making a point, maybe he just doesn't rate him. Which is actually more worrying.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 20:49:46 GMT
That's the wrong argument to have although I respect your opinion. The argument is the other point I was making about enough being enough, making the point and moving on. Just bring him back into the squad and have done. Maybe he's not making a point, maybe he just doesn't rate him. Bit of a shift from his initial judgement isn't it? A fantastic, diligent attitude, willing to learn to not rated in less than 2 months? So what is Rowett, a terrible judge or a terrible liar?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2018 20:53:46 GMT
Maybe he's not making a point, maybe he just doesn't rate him. Bit of a shift from his initial judgement isn't it? A fantastic, diligent attitude, willing to learn to not rated in less than 2 months? So what is Rowett, a terrible judge or a terrible liar? Who knows, but he's allowed to change his mind, so far he has looked poor defensively so its understandable if he doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 20:56:27 GMT
Bit of a shift from his initial judgement isn't it? A fantastic, diligent attitude, willing to learn to not rated in less than 2 months? So what is Rowett, a terrible judge or a terrible liar? Who knows, but he's allowed to change his mind, so far he has looked poor defensively so its understandable if he doesn't. I agree he's looked poor. He's looked poorer under Rowett at a lower level than he did under Lambert at a higher level. Food for thought on a number of levels I think.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 14, 2018 21:01:31 GMT
Maybe he's not making a point, maybe he just doesn't rate him. Bit of a shift from his initial judgement isn't it? A fantastic, diligent attitude, willing to learn to not rated in less than 2 months? So what is Rowett, a terrible judge or a terrible liar? He championed his attitude. Nothing said about his abilities or how he fitted into his team. Just ‘making all the right noises’.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2018 21:04:17 GMT
Who knows, but he's allowed to change his mind, so far he has looked poor defensively so its understandable if he doesn't. I agree he's looked poor. He's looked poorer under Rowett at a lower level than he did under Lambert at a higher level. Food for thought on a number of levels I think. Maybe the comment from his former manager is right and he just doesn't have a clue where he's meant to be on the pitch, and he needs a lot of help with it or having someone to hold his hand through games telling him where to be, if that is the case, given the issues we have, it could be that Rowett doesn't think we have the time to be doing that right now and got some one in that he could trust and wouldn't have to be mollycoddled. Given what he has seen of him in games, I'm not surprised he dropped him, I also don't get the uproar either if I'm honest, Rowett is the manager, he stands and falls by these decisions he needs to be left to get on with it.
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Post by numpty40 on Sept 14, 2018 21:04:40 GMT
Just watched the U23 game and to be fair he looked pretty poor. From someone who wanted him to look pretty good.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 21:12:42 GMT
Bit of a shift from his initial judgement isn't it? A fantastic, diligent attitude, willing to learn to not rated in less than 2 months? So what is Rowett, a terrible judge or a terrible liar? He championed his attitude. Nothing said about his abilities or how he fitted into his team. Just ‘making all the right noises’. He said he had a good attitude and was willing to learn. Is Rowett admitting he can't teach?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2018 21:24:46 GMT
He championed his attitude. Nothing said about his abilities or how he fitted into his team. Just ‘making all the right noises’. He said he had a good attitude and was willing to learn. Is Rowett admitting he can't teach? Or that he's thick as shit and isn't able to learn however willing, see you can read plenty into it, I guess it depends on if you're trying to force it to somehow be a dig at the manager.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 21:38:20 GMT
He said he had a good attitude and was willing to learn. Is Rowett admitting he can't teach? Or that he's thick as shit and isn't able to learn however willing, see you can read plenty into it, I guess it depends on if you're trying to force it to somehow be a dig at the manager. I read about our current lack of defensive structure, something Rowett is supposedly renowned for. I look at how defensively structured we were under Lambert in comparison,at a higher level. I look at the small number of fans prepared to defend the recruitment department by telling us the manager has the final say on signings and contracts. I look at the 5 year deal for Bauer. I look at the manager's comments on Bauer when he first joined. I look at how quick he has been bombed out and remained out. I remain confused when everything comes together. I await a reasonable explanation. I think I might be waiting some time.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 14, 2018 21:48:53 GMT
Or that he's thick as shit and isn't able to learn however willing, see you can read plenty into it, I guess it depends on if you're trying to force it to somehow be a dig at the manager. I read about our current lack of defensive structure, something Rowett is supposedly renowned for. I look at how defensively structured we were under Lambert in comparison,at a higher level. I look at the small number of fans prepared to defend the recruitment department by telling us the manager has the final say on signings and contracts. I look at the 5 year deal for Bauer. I look at the manager's comments on Bauer when he first joined. I look at how quick he has been bombed out and remained out. I remain confused when everything comes together. I await a reasonable explanation. I think I might be waiting some time. The reasonable explanation is he doesn't rate him, his comments, as mentioned above, weren't about his ability on the pitch how could they be, the contract is a different discussion entirely.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 14, 2018 21:50:20 GMT
There's no defending Rowett on this one. You've got players in Sheffield tonight who should have been at Villa Park and you have a player in Birmingham who even on the bench in Sheffield offers us variety at the very least.
It's politics pure and simple and I wish those involved would just fuck off out of the club.
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