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Post by metalhead on Sept 17, 2018 17:55:22 GMT
If the manager thinks he has got 11 players better than Bauer he damn well better get his team promoted: anything less will be abject failure. One of the points I made the other day. Bauer was one of the few highlights last season. He looked very sharp in pre-season unlike some of the others. He plays one game and is yet to be seen since. Rowett is showing supreme confidence in players that I personally consider worse than Bauer..... look how it's going down? We're pissing points away left right and centre. I suspect nothing will change for a while.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2018 17:58:57 GMT
It's hard to say who he should be on the bench ahead of though, once you've made the very big call to use an expensive loan on Martina and that he's going to start. Edwards is apparently the only u21 he thinks justifies a place on there. Federici Edwards (club-developed) Williams Fletcher Bojan Crouch Berahino And I like Bauer - but it is worth mentioning again this assessment from his manager in Russia - and also noting that Lambert decided to rely on Glen Johnson, who is now effectively retired, ahead of him. russianfootballnews.com/an-interview-with-kurban-berdyev-part-two-moritz-bauer-is-very-professional-but-hes-got-huge-shortcomings/Looking from the outside, Moritz Bauer looks like the most professional player. Is that true? (The interview was conducted a few days before several players mentioned below left the club.)Yes, he’s very professional. But football-wise, he’s got some huge shortcomings. There was a time when I finally lost my patience with him. I asked him, before everyone’s eyes, “Moritz, the ball is here, here’s the situation, where should you be?” “Here.” “Are you sure?” “I am sure.” Then I play the video, and he’s standing in a totally different place, and we get a goal from his zone. My big issue is Fletcher being on there Well, yeah. Admittedly, that's a problem. But , if not him, he's going to want a 'proper' central midfielder on there, isn't he?
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Post by smatty88 on Sept 17, 2018 19:31:24 GMT
It's hard to say who he should be on the bench ahead of though, once you've made the very big call to use an expensive loan on Martina and that he's going to start. Edwards is apparently the only u21 he thinks justifies a place on there. Federici Edwards (club-developed) Williams Fletcher Bojan Crouch Berahino And I like Bauer - but it is worth mentioning again this assessment from his manager in Russia - and also noting that Lambert decided to rely on Glen Johnson, who is now effectively retired, ahead of him. russianfootballnews.com/an-interview-with-kurban-berdyev-part-two-moritz-bauer-is-very-professional-but-hes-got-huge-shortcomings/Looking from the outside, Moritz Bauer looks like the most professional player. Is that true? (The interview was conducted a few days before several players mentioned below left the club.)Yes, he’s very professional. But football-wise, he’s got some huge shortcomings. There was a time when I finally lost my patience with him. I asked him, before everyone’s eyes, “Moritz, the ball is here, here’s the situation, where should you be?” “Here.” “Are you sure?” “I am sure.” Then I play the video, and he’s standing in a totally different place, and we get a goal from his zone. He was voted Kazan's Player of the Year and he wouldn't have got that just for being a nice guy so whatever his shortcomings he obviously did well there.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 17, 2018 19:46:29 GMT
It's hard to say who he should be on the bench ahead of though, once you've made the very big call to use an expensive loan on Martina and that he's going to start. Edwards is apparently the only u21 he thinks justifies a place on there. Federici Edwards (club-developed) Williams Fletcher Bojan Crouch Berahino And I like Bauer - but it is worth mentioning again this assessment from his manager in Russia - and also noting that Lambert decided to rely on Glen Johnson, who is now effectively retired, ahead of him. russianfootballnews.com/an-interview-with-kurban-berdyev-part-two-moritz-bauer-is-very-professional-but-hes-got-huge-shortcomings/Looking from the outside, Moritz Bauer looks like the most professional player. Is that true? (The interview was conducted a few days before several players mentioned below left the club.)Yes, he’s very professional. But football-wise, he’s got some huge shortcomings. There was a time when I finally lost my patience with him. I asked him, before everyone’s eyes, “Moritz, the ball is here, here’s the situation, where should you be?” “Here.” “Are you sure?” “I am sure.” Then I play the video, and he’s standing in a totally different place, and we get a goal from his zone. He was voted Kazan's Player of the Year and he wouldn't have got that just for being a nice guy so whatever his shortcomings he obviously did well there. Yeah - he's definitely got qualities. But just noteworthy that these concerns about his defensive positioning haven't come out of nowhere. www.transfermarkt.com/moritz-bauer/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/159692/plus/0?saison=&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=RU1&pos=&trainer_id=And also interesting to see the longer he stayed at Kazan, the more often he was pushed into midfield, rather than full-back
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 17, 2018 20:15:09 GMT
Reading that fullermagic link, I noticed in the highlights for the sunderland checkatrade game he was standing in no mans land, on the edge of his own box, neither stopping a cross, or marking a man, or dealing with the cross.
I remember when I played youth football that was my problem, not thinking and getting caught out as a passenger because of bad positioning.
I had thought he was superb for us last season, but maybe his bursts forward distracted us from his awful positioning.
He does need to improve but there has to be a good player in there, he played very well last season overall
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 17, 2018 20:24:21 GMT
Reading that fullermagic link, I noticed in the highlights for the sunderland checkatrade game he was standing in no mans land, on the edge of his own box, neither stopping a cross, or marking a man, or dealing with the cross. I remember when I played youth football that was my problem, not thinking and getting caught out as a passenger because of bad positioning. I had thought he was superb for us last season, but maybe his bursts forward distracted us from his awful positioning. He does need to improve but there has to be a good player in there, he played very well last season overall Genuine questions: Who scouted him and didn't know this before hand??? Who the hell becomes a professional footballer and doesn't know "positioning"???????? I've played almost every position and made it my responsibility to identify roles, hell I bet you can do that playing a basic manager game on pc!!!!!!! (CM anyone?) Yet another thing that doesn't add up. If he doesn't have this positioning by now maybe he should start laying bricks or give the open university a call?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 17, 2018 20:30:04 GMT
Reading that fullermagic link, I noticed in the highlights for the sunderland checkatrade game he was standing in no mans land, on the edge of his own box, neither stopping a cross, or marking a man, or dealing with the cross. I remember when I played youth football that was my problem, not thinking and getting caught out as a passenger because of bad positioning. I had thought he was superb for us last season, but maybe his bursts forward distracted us from his awful positioning. He does need to improve but there has to be a good player in there, he played very well last season overall Genuine questions: Who scouted him and didn't know this before hand??? Who the hell becomes a professional footballer and doesn't know "positioning"???????? I've played almost every position and made it my responsibility to identify roles, hell I bet you can do that playing a basic manager game on pc!!!!!!! (CM anyone?) Yet another thing that doesn't add up. If he doesn't have this positioning by now maybe he should start laying bricks or give the open university a call? Luke Shaw was said by mourinho to have the same problem? He had to be told when to go, when to stay. The hardest thing about full back is positioning, it isn't as easy as you think but I'm sure you know. In those sunderland highlights it looked like bauer had been told to be more conservative and tuck in tight with centre backs, but he clearly did not know what that really meant and a couple of times he'd just surrendered the flank to the sunderland winger. A bit like how our full backs played earthen pulis was manager but they basically played as extra centre backs and cleared the balls coming in
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Post by spitthedog on Sept 17, 2018 20:42:54 GMT
Reading that fullermagic link, I noticed in the highlights for the sunderland checkatrade game he was standing in no mans land, on the edge of his own box, neither stopping a cross, or marking a man, or dealing with the cross. I remember when I played youth football that was my problem, not thinking and getting caught out as a passenger because of bad positioning. I had thought he was superb for us last season, but maybe his bursts forward distracted us from his awful positioning. He does need to improve but there has to be a good player in there, he played very well last season overall Genuine questions: Who scouted him and didn't know this before hand??? Who the hell becomes a professional footballer and doesn't know "positioning"???????? I've played almost every position and made it my responsibility to identify roles, hell I bet you can do that playing a basic manager game on pc!!!!!!! (CM anyone?) Yet another thing that doesn't add up. If he doesn't have this positioning by now maybe he should start laying bricks or give the open university a call? That's more than debatable tbh! Pro sportsmen and women commonly get the basics wrong when performing. Its like international cricketers who don't move their feet when they first come into bat. Ricky Ponting never used to move his feet in the first few overs he faced but once he got in used get into a stride and was one of the most successful batsmen in the world. You get international wingers who have the habit of drifting inside, forwards who go too deep, goalkeepers that stay on their line all performing at the top level.
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 17, 2018 20:50:37 GMT
Solution for now - Ince on the left and Bauer on the right of midfield. It avoids the unedifying sight of Diouf out wide and gives us a wide man with pace who can cross.
I think he is a natural wing back and, unless we play that system, with a back three, I think Rowett will not pick him.
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 17, 2018 21:21:18 GMT
Another manager who likes to fall out with players. Will we ever have a harmonious manager who treats players like adults and not children. Do not like rowett and his ego, as bad as leslie, every single post match interview he has come across as a condescending arrogant tit Brian Clough liked falling out with players And so did sir Alex Ferguson And when it came to ego , those two could take on anybody The worst manager of all , is the mark hughes type of our relegation season , happy to turn a blind eye to total nonsense from Jesse , berahino and others Let's judge Rowett by who he brings in There were a fair few man utd fans thought sir Alex was crazy picking a fight with the obviously talented David Beckham , and showing him the door But they soon shut up , when he bought in Cristiano Ronaldo to replace him
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 17, 2018 21:22:03 GMT
My big issue is Fletcher being on there Well, yeah. Admittedly, that's a problem. But , if not him, he's going to want a 'proper' central midfielder on there, isn't he? Would prefer Bauer as a CM than Fletcher. Could imagine him as an energetic little unit. Good bursts of pace, nice crisp passes and can tackle.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 18, 2018 0:42:02 GMT
Isn't Sorenson classed as home developed? Surely he'd be better option than Fletcher and Adam on the bench.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 18, 2018 6:34:24 GMT
Isn't Sorenson classed as home developed? Surely he'd be better option than Fletcher and Adam on the bench. I thought that Adam and possibly Fletcher weren’t home developed?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 18, 2018 6:57:38 GMT
Well, yeah. Admittedly, that's a problem. But , if not him, he's going to want a 'proper' central midfielder on there, isn't he? Would prefer Bauer as a CM than Fletcher. Could imagine him as an energetic little unit. Good bursts of pace, nice crisp passes and can tackle. That’s my biggest issue. How does Fletcher get on the bench he’s dreadful.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 18, 2018 7:08:32 GMT
I cannot for the life of me see why people want Bauer on the wing. Say what you like about Diouf but at least he's got a goal in him. Bauer is a RB who isn't very good defensively. Being a nice guy with a seemingly decent attitude doesn't mean he should be in the team, sorry.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 18, 2018 7:37:42 GMT
I cannot for the life of me see why people want Bauer on the wing. Say what you like about Diouf but at least he's got a goal in him. Bauer is a RB who isn't very good defensively. Being a nice guy with a seemingly decent attitude doesn't mean he should be in the team, sorry. Agree on the winger point but he is good enough to get in out back 4 which would enable martina to play in the middle or the left where he played foe Everton adding much neeed pace and energy to the team on both flanks
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 18, 2018 7:44:38 GMT
Solution for now - Ince on the left and Bauer on the right of midfield. It avoids the unedifying sight of Diouf out wide and gives us a wide man with pace who can cross. I think he is a natural wing back and, unless we play that system, with a back three, I think Rowett will not pick him. So move Ince (naturally right footed) to accommodate Bauer? If Ince had an indifferent game in an unnatural position who would get the blame, Ince, GR or both?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 8:07:30 GMT
Solution for now - Ince on the left and Bauer on the right of midfield. It avoids the unedifying sight of Diouf out wide and gives us a wide man with pace who can cross. I think he is a natural wing back and, unless we play that system, with a back three, I think Rowett will not pick him. So move Ince (naturally right footed) to accommodate Bauer? If Ince had an indifferent game in an unnatural position who would get the blame, Ince, GR or both? Ince naturally right footed?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 8:11:55 GMT
I cannot for the life of me see why people want Bauer on the wing. Say what you like about Diouf but at least he's got a goal in him. Bauer is a RB who isn't very good defensively. Being a nice guy with a seemingly decent attitude doesn't mean he should be in the team, sorry. I just spat my morning brew out!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 18, 2018 8:12:12 GMT
So move Ince (naturally right footed) to accommodate Bauer? If Ince had an indifferent game in an unnatural position who would get the blame, Ince, GR or both? Ince naturally right footed? You've got to worry about some folk
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 18, 2018 8:12:45 GMT
I cannot for the life of me see why people want Bauer on the wing. Say what you like about Diouf but at least he's got a goal in him. Bauer is a RB who isn't very good defensively. Being a nice guy with a seemingly decent attitude doesn't mean he should be in the team, sorry. I just spat my morning brew out! Oh dear, you should go and clean that up then pal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 8:25:18 GMT
Ince naturally right footed? You've got to worry about some folk I don't worry. I have L and R on my shoes in tippex.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 18, 2018 8:33:57 GMT
I cannot for the life of me see why people want Bauer on the wing. Say what you like about Diouf but at least he's got a goal in him. Bauer is a RB who isn't very good defensively. Being a nice guy with a seemingly decent attitude doesn't mean he should be in the team, sorry. He should be in the matchday squad at the very least. Sadly our maager has been drawn into Scholes' tawdry Political machinations.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 18, 2018 8:37:20 GMT
I cannot for the life of me see why people want Bauer on the wing. Say what you like about Diouf but at least he's got a goal in him. Bauer is a RB who isn't very good defensively. Being a nice guy with a seemingly decent attitude doesn't mean he should be in the team, sorry. He should be in the matchday squad at the very least. Sadly our maager has been drawn into Scholes' tawdry Political machinations. Yeah probably, I'm not denying that. Just find it really strange that a lot of fans are pining for him to be played out of a position. Has he even scored a goal in his career? he's hardly creative either.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 18, 2018 8:40:06 GMT
I thought right-back was the least of our problems going into the season, but there's got to be a reason his Russian manager, Lambert and Rowett all have massive problems with him as a full-back.
By the end of his second and final season in Russia, he was being played almost exclusively on the wing
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 18, 2018 8:42:51 GMT
I thought right-back was the least of our problems going into the season, but there's got to be a reason his Russian manager, Lambert and Rowett all have massive problems with him as a full-back. By the end of his second and final season in Russia, he was being played almost exclusively on the wing He's positionally awful and has little awareness of what's around him, that's the problem they have with him... well, that's my problem with him anyway.
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Post by Gods on Sept 18, 2018 8:43:34 GMT
I cannot for the life of me see why people want Bauer on the wing. Say what you like about Diouf but at least he's got a goal in him. Bauer is a RB who isn't very good defensively. Being a nice guy with a seemingly decent attitude doesn't mean he should be in the team, sorry. I just spat my morning brew out! Stoke City Premier League all time record scorers Peter Crouch 45 Jonathan Walters 43 Mame Biram Diouf 23 Marko Arnautovic 22 Charlie Adam 19 Ricardo Fuller 18 Xherdan Shaqiri 15 He misses quite a few but he gets on the end of stuff. Give us a shout when Moritz gets to 23 for us in the Championship, in fact make that for everyone put together in his career!
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Post by citynickscfc on Sept 18, 2018 8:53:57 GMT
Genuine questions: Who scouted him and didn't know this before hand??? Who the hell becomes a professional footballer and doesn't know "positioning"???????? I've played almost every position and made it my responsibility to identify roles, hell I bet you can do that playing a basic manager game on pc!!!!!!! (CM anyone?) Yet another thing that doesn't add up. If he doesn't have this positioning by now maybe he should start laying bricks or give the open university a call? Luke Shaw was said by mourinho to have the same problem? He had to be told when to go, when to stay. The hardest thing about full back is positioning, it isn't as easy as you think but I'm sure you know. In those sunderland highlights it looked like bauer had been told to be more conservative and tuck in tight with centre backs, but he clearly did not know what that really meant and a couple of times he'd just surrendered the flank to the sunderland winger. A bit like how our full backs played earthen pulis was manager but they basically played as extra centre backs and cleared the balls coming in Surely you study the positioning on a 2d paper/board? The staying part you master first and the going is very dependent on the rest of the team and your team mate on the wing? I used to do it at kidsgrove and if I'm honest it's very easy. When your winning you can push forward depending on score, otherwise stay 2v1 on the attackers. If your not getting the support from your RM/RW or CB you open your mouth? Genuinely don't see the complication and how can you achieve such a high status in football without the basics? Kicking is very little to do with the game, 98% of the time your without the ball so you make use of the tools you have, your voice and your knowledge (falls under positioning). Bizarre. Being caught out happens at every level, and if your 2-0 down you take bigger risks but we need defenders to defend right now, if he can't do that he's not a defender. Id love an Andy Griffin or Wilko right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 9:29:43 GMT
I just spat my morning brew out! Stoke City Premier League all time record scorers Peter Crouch 45 Jonathan Walters 43 Mame Biram Diouf 23 Marko Arnautovic 22 Charlie Adam 19 Ricardo Fuller 18 Xherdan Shaqiri 15 He misses quite a few but he gets on the end of stuff. Give us a shout when Moritz gets to 23 for us in the Championship, in fact make that for everyone put together in his career! Hahahaha he's a right back you mad man! What a bizarre comparison. I've no doubt if Diouf played 40 games this season he would score 10 goals which doesn't seem like a bad return. But he costs us too many points by missing sitters and I don't believe he evens things out anymore. Edit: he would fumble his way to 10 goals
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Post by Gods on Sept 18, 2018 9:53:42 GMT
Stoke City Premier League all time record scorers Peter Crouch 45 Jonathan Walters 43 Mame Biram Diouf 23 Marko Arnautovic 22 Charlie Adam 19 Ricardo Fuller 18 Xherdan Shaqiri 15 He misses quite a few but he gets on the end of stuff. Give us a shout when Moritz gets to 23 for us in the Championship, in fact make that for everyone put together in his career! Hahahaha he's a right back you mad man! What a bizarre comparison. I've no doubt if Diouf played 40 games this season he would score 10 goals which doesn't seem like a bad return. But he costs us too many points by missing sitters and I don't believe he evens things out anymore. Edit: he would fumble his way to 10 goals According to Fullermagic above he played his last season in Russia on the wing and wiki gives him a career total of goals of zero. I contend we would get more goals from Diouf with all his well documented limitations on the wing than Moritz were we to move him there which I thought was in part at least what this discussion is about.
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