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Post by songthrush01 on Oct 26, 2018 16:06:25 GMT
i know what mclean would make,and thats a left back.he just useless going forward,like other people have said,his crossing and running in to dead alleys is awful. Evidence so far has shown he could lose the man he is supposed to be marking in a phone box and that he is able to time a tackle about as well as Southeast rail. He has been very poor on the wing; on current form he would be a liability at full back. thats true,i am just trying to find him a place,what about goalkeeper.
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Post by harlequin on Oct 26, 2018 16:13:52 GMT
I try to avoid slagging off players but I will say Mclean is nowhere near his best.
Remember seeing him play for Sunderland in his first year by chance and the lad was a revelation. Very direct.
Never added a lot more to his game and as a result is very easy to neutralize.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 26, 2018 16:35:41 GMT
Of course we do, and we very often draw different conclusions from each other, as this board so often demonstrates. But so do the managers and coaches, whose jobs ultimately depend on results on the pitch. I always find it fascinating when I get a chance to talk to managers, ex-managers or coaches because they do see things which I often don't. I would love to see the things that Rowett sees that we don't because in the last 24 hours alone, he's commented on Afobe needing to help himself in terms of chance creation as well as the team helping him, he's commented that Woods needs to be higher up the pitch and has been too deep the last few games and he's commented on us wanting to be on the front foot with excuses that it's not always possible. For someone who doesn't listen to the supporters and for someone who sees things differently to what us mere fans see, he sure as hell seems in tune with publicly addressing some of the main concerns that have been raised from recent performances. It's all rather odd don't you think but nothing is more odd than his fixation with a winger who cannot beat a man, isn't particularly quick and who cannot seemingly cross a ball even when unchallenged. Jesus, he's a winger and he doesn't take a single corner. What's all that about? I'm sure it's something that even our youngest supporter can see yet seemingly Rowett struggles. Having spoken with managers, ex managers and coaches, something few of us get the chance to do, what do you think Rowett could possibly see in Mclean that nobody else on the terraces does? I've never met Rowett so I can't help out there. In fact, apart from Denis Smith, I've never had a conversation about JMcL with anyone other than other fans (my assumption about the views of managers and coaches was drawn from the fact that he has played about 250 games in the top 2 divisions of English football, about two thirds of them in the Premier League, so he is obviously rated by coaches at that level, not to mention his international career). But as I said above the generalisation that "nobody else on the terraces" sees his assets isn't true. I didn't think he had a particularly good game on Tuesday, but that could also be said about a number of players. He wasn't in the game enough in the first half. How much of that was due to him and how much to the system we were playing, I'm not sure. Personally, I would probably have hooked him rather than Peters. That said, he did have a brilliant run in the first half (in which he did beat more than one player) and attacked a header in the second half which was one of our best chances. As often seems to happen on this Board I think there's a lot of hyperbole around, and too much black and white rather than shades of grey.
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Post by neddy on Oct 26, 2018 16:49:05 GMT
For me the frustration is his crossing ability?
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Post by greenhoff on Oct 26, 2018 17:18:15 GMT
For me the frustration is his crossing ability? For me the frustration is that we ever went near him
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Post by theteacher on Oct 26, 2018 17:24:47 GMT
McClean in my opinion is not suited to playing as one of a front three. The current system doesn’t suit him and he is a liability in such a system.
IF McClean is to be selected he has to play wide in a four man midfield behind the two strikers.
Personally I would not select him in the first team but the manager is to blame if he is selected as one of the front three.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Oct 26, 2018 17:36:28 GMT
Not read the previous 12 pages, however there really is no need.
He's wank.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 26, 2018 18:43:06 GMT
Not read the previous 12 pages, however there really is no need. He's wank. I have read the previous 12 pages and that's pretty much what they say also. We're all too dim to see what GR and other professionals can see tho apparently. However until someone is able to point out to me exactly what it is I'm missing I have to agree with you and seemingly everyone else, he is indeed wank, on his showings for Stoke City so far anyway.
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Post by onyourbonce on Oct 26, 2018 18:54:49 GMT
He is fucking poo. That’s it, he’s just poo. I see why people may like him, he works hard enough, he’s committed, he’s fit....but he’s poo. Really really poo. Modern history suggests we should be aiming higher, but we seem to have an acceptance for mediocrity. Must be the clubs history. Which is why we end up with poo like James mcclean.
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Post by Godo on Oct 26, 2018 19:06:56 GMT
My question is could he play left back? ..... because I wish somebody would.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 26, 2018 19:27:23 GMT
I would love to see the things that Rowett sees that we don't because in the last 24 hours alone, he's commented on Afobe needing to help himself in terms of chance creation as well as the team helping him, he's commented that Woods needs to be higher up the pitch and has been too deep the last few games and he's commented on us wanting to be on the front foot with excuses that it's not always possible. For someone who doesn't listen to the supporters and for someone who sees things differently to what us mere fans see, he sure as hell seems in tune with publicly addressing some of the main concerns that have been raised from recent performances. It's all rather odd don't you think but nothing is more odd than his fixation with a winger who cannot beat a man, isn't particularly quick and who cannot seemingly cross a ball even when unchallenged. Jesus, he's a winger and he doesn't take a single corner. What's all that about? I'm sure it's something that even our youngest supporter can see yet seemingly Rowett struggles. Having spoken with managers, ex managers and coaches, something few of us get the chance to do, what do you think Rowett could possibly see in Mclean that nobody else on the terraces does? I've never met Rowett so I can't help out there. In fact, apart from Denis Smith, I've never had a conversation about JMcL with anyone other than other fans (my assumption about the views of managers and coaches was drawn from the fact that he has played about 250 games in the top 2 divisions of English football, about two thirds of them in the Premier League, so he is obviously rated by coaches at that level, not to mention his international career). But as I said above the generalisation that "nobody else on the terraces" sees his assets isn't true. I didn't think he had a particularly good game on Tuesday, but that could also be said about a number of players. He wasn't in the game enough in the first half. How much of that was due to him and how much to the system we were playing, I'm not sure. Personally, I would probably have hooked him rather than Peters. That said, he did have a brilliant run in the first half (in which he did beat more than one player) and attacked a header in the second half which was one of our best chances. As often seems to happen on this Board I think there's a lot of hyperbole around, and too much black and white rather than shades of grey. That run happened when the two defenders in front of him got confused and left a gap in between them, he tried to run through it but it required ball control with his right foot and he fell over. The header, yes it was good that for once he tried to do something of consequence for a change and ran in to the box to head the ball, but he can't actually head it. I could have done what mcclean did on tuesday. Awful, truly awful
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 26, 2018 19:31:50 GMT
I would love to see the things that Rowett sees that we don't because in the last 24 hours alone, he's commented on Afobe needing to help himself in terms of chance creation as well as the team helping him, he's commented that Woods needs to be higher up the pitch and has been too deep the last few games and he's commented on us wanting to be on the front foot with excuses that it's not always possible. For someone who doesn't listen to the supporters and for someone who sees things differently to what us mere fans see, he sure as hell seems in tune with publicly addressing some of the main concerns that have been raised from recent performances. It's all rather odd don't you think but nothing is more odd than his fixation with a winger who cannot beat a man, isn't particularly quick and who cannot seemingly cross a ball even when unchallenged. Jesus, he's a winger and he doesn't take a single corner. What's all that about? I'm sure it's something that even our youngest supporter can see yet seemingly Rowett struggles. Having spoken with managers, ex managers and coaches, something few of us get the chance to do, what do you think Rowett could possibly see in Mclean that nobody else on the terraces does? I've never met Rowett so I can't help out there. In fact, apart from Denis Smith, I've never had a conversation about JMcL with anyone other than other fans (my assumption about the views of managers and coaches was drawn from the fact that he has played about 250 games in the top 2 divisions of English football, about two thirds of them in the Premier League, so he is obviously rated by coaches at that level, not to mention his international career). But as I said above the generalisation that "nobody else on the terraces" sees his assets isn't true. I didn't think he had a particularly good game on Tuesday, but that could also be said about a number of players. He wasn't in the game enough in the first half. How much of that was due to him and how much to the system we were playing, I'm not sure. Personally, I would probably have hooked him rather than Peters. That said, he did have a brilliant run in the first half (in which he did beat more than one player) and attacked a header in the second half which was one of our best chances. As often seems to happen on this Board I think there's a lot of hyperbole around, and too much black and white rather than shades of grey. I forgot about that ridiculous substitution. Pieters has more goals and more assists than McLean yet rather than take off his favourite son he'll take off someone far more effective at both ends of the pitch. These managers sure do see some odd things.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 26, 2018 21:33:45 GMT
I've never met Rowett so I can't help out there. In fact, apart from Denis Smith, I've never had a conversation about JMcL with anyone other than other fans (my assumption about the views of managers and coaches was drawn from the fact that he has played about 250 games in the top 2 divisions of English football, about two thirds of them in the Premier League, so he is obviously rated by coaches at that level, not to mention his international career). But as I said above the generalisation that "nobody else on the terraces" sees his assets isn't true. I didn't think he had a particularly good game on Tuesday, but that could also be said about a number of players. He wasn't in the game enough in the first half. How much of that was due to him and how much to the system we were playing, I'm not sure. Personally, I would probably have hooked him rather than Peters. That said, he did have a brilliant run in the first half (in which he did beat more than one player) and attacked a header in the second half which was one of our best chances. As often seems to happen on this Board I think there's a lot of hyperbole around, and too much black and white rather than shades of grey. I forgot about that ridiculous substitution. Pieters has more goals and more assists than McLean yet rather than take off his favourite son he'll take off someone far more effective at both ends of the pitch. These managers sure do see some odd things. Well yes, but no doubt the manager would respond that taken as a package the substitutions worked, that we looked more dangerous after them, and that we equalised, all of which are true.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 26, 2018 21:46:21 GMT
I forgot about that ridiculous substitution. Pieters has more goals and more assists than McLean yet rather than take off his favourite son he'll take off someone far more effective at both ends of the pitch. These managers sure do see some odd things. Well yes, but no doubt the manager would respond that taken as a package the substitutions worked, that we looked more dangerous after them, and that we equalised, all of which are true. You could argue that the substitutions worked because McClean was removed from an offensive role. We've looked much better as a team when McClean doesn't start.
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Post by zigazaga on Oct 26, 2018 21:52:35 GMT
We all knew he was wank. So can anyone please explain why we signed him? And why such a long contract? It simply doesn't make any sense to me at all. Reminds me of the Shay Given signing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 22:54:24 GMT
We all knew he was wank. So can anyone please explain why we signed him? And why such a long contract? It simply doesn't make any sense to me at all. Reminds me of the Shay Given signing. I remember getting a bit of flak on the transfer thread whilst pointing this out, I was told "turst the manager" "the team can see things you can't" "proven championship player" etc. All pales after the performances so far, he's had one good game for us so far... Not good enough in my books, but the length of contract and the fee? Just seriously batshit.
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Post by redwhite on Dec 1, 2018 17:15:52 GMT
What an abysmal player we've got on our hands.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 1, 2018 17:23:05 GMT
We all knew he was wank. So can anyone please explain why we signed him? And why such a long contract? It simply doesn't make any sense to me at all. Reminds me of the Shay Given signing. I remember getting a bit of flak on the transfer thread whilst pointing this out, I was told "turst the manager" "the team can see things you can't" "proven championship player" etc. All pales after the performances so far, he's had one good game for us so far... Not good enough in my books, but the length of contract and the fee? Just seriously batshit. Find who insisted on his signing and you find the cause of our mediocrity since last summer but not our demise of the last two years
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 1, 2018 17:25:31 GMT
If McClean's a footballer then so's me dog!!!
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 1, 2018 17:27:20 GMT
Has he ever gone right when he’s on the ball?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 1, 2018 17:34:48 GMT
Has he ever gone right when he’s on the ball? No, Woods uses all that up!!!
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Post by sportsman on Dec 1, 2018 17:39:23 GMT
When he comes on as a sub he's direct and can change the game. Just can't seem to start one
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 1, 2018 17:41:45 GMT
In our 150 odd years,we have had some dross playing for us,but McClean must be one of the worst.
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Post by liathroid on Dec 1, 2018 18:06:30 GMT
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Post by Davef on Dec 1, 2018 18:11:37 GMT
In our 150 odd years,we have had some dross playing for us,but McClean must be one of the worst. Dont talk crap.
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Post by ursemboys on Dec 1, 2018 18:14:40 GMT
What an abysmal player we've got on our hands. The one who set up the second Goal ?
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Post by redwhite on Dec 1, 2018 18:18:16 GMT
What an abysmal player we've got on our hands. The one who set up the second Goal ? Yes. He was woeful all game and a random punt into the box that required an incredible volley doesn't change that.
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 1, 2018 18:18:32 GMT
In our 150 odd years,we have had some dross playing for us,but McClean must be one of the worst. Keith Scott , Rikki Dadason, Kyle Lightbulb, John Clark, that's off the top of my head. He is bang average but not even in the same league of shitness as those
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2018 18:20:34 GMT
Surely though, for a 6M fee and probable >1M a year, he has to be up there on pro rata grounds? We are getting nowhere near value for money from him. For the outlay, he is simply a shocking, one dimensional 'footballer'.
And yes, I know he set up a goal today, and nodded two across the box against QPR.
Woo hoo
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Post by stokemark on Dec 1, 2018 18:21:19 GMT
In our 150 odd years,we have had some dross playing for us,but McClean must be one of the worst. He was poor overall today but that is agenda driven bollocks
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