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Post by Pirate on Oct 24, 2018 11:55:39 GMT
Him, Martina & Williams offer absolutely no quality what so ever for me.
If we are going to lose every other game i would much rather see Edwards, Soutter & Verlinden play than watching these 3 lumber about.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 24, 2018 12:01:06 GMT
When it mattered his crossing, his passing and his touch let him down. There was one point last night where he miss-controlled a throw in from 5 yards away before turning around and fouling his man, which just sums him up as a footballer.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 24, 2018 12:02:38 GMT
Ince is also pretty shit to be fair but at least I have some genuine belief that he's got more in his locker, he's just out of form / not up to speed with whatever jizz Rowett is telling him to do. This is all McClean has ever shown though. There's nothing else there. He's fucking dire. Get a Moses type winger and Ince and Afobe would get hatfuls of goals. They have at other clubs.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 24, 2018 12:06:33 GMT
You can't criticise the 'process' for not paying over the odds for the manager's targets, and then criticise them for paying £6 million and a four-year contract for the manager's #1 target.
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Post by george2again on Oct 24, 2018 13:40:36 GMT
Ince should be on the left and us looking for a right winger. I cringe at inverted winger coming back inside. On no we have McClean who has to play.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 24, 2018 13:44:35 GMT
Ince should be on the left and us looking for a right winger. I cringe at inverted winger coming back inside. On no we have McClean who has to play. Ince left and Diouf (when fit) or Bauer right, or even the lesser spotted Clucas on the left if he ever regains fitness, until January when we can sign another winger. How I wish we had signed Matt Ritchie.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 24, 2018 14:10:31 GMT
First name on the team sheet Saturday boys and girls.Get used to it. In fact it wouldn't half surprise me if he starts Crouch. It's quite surreal but you're right, if he's remotely fit he'll be starting. At least when he was starting Fletcher there was the hope he'd be dropped when somebody useful was fit, we haven't even got that glimmer of hope with McClean
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 14:44:15 GMT
Ince should be on the left and us looking for a right winger. I cringe at inverted winger coming back inside. On no we have McClean who has to play. Ince left and Diouf (when fit) or Bauer right, or even the lesser spotted Clucas on the left if he ever regains fitness, until January when we can sign another winger. How I wish we had signed Matt Ritchie. It doesn’t matter if we had signed Stanley Matthews in his prime, rowett’s MccLean is like pulis’s Walters, he will play him every week is is fit, it’s shambolic down there right now and my guess is that mr James mcclean will end up costing rowett his job in the end and rightly so because he is the only one who thinks he is anything but utter dogshit on a football field
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 24, 2018 18:02:39 GMT
He wasn’t too bad last night, no worse than anybody else for me. He was one of the only players to put some effort in, in the first half. Got the crowd going by actually getting stuck in. He broke through a few times but nothing came of it. To dig him out for his performance last night is ridiculous when you’ve got players like Cuco who cannot stand goal side of a player from a goal kick, continually watches the ball sail over his head an not chase it. Bizarre to pick on McClean last night, but expected from this fan base. This. He was ineffective but at least put the effort in. The difference between him and Ince is that Ince at least looks decent a lot of the time with the odd off day. McClean will never be better than average. I agree that there are many who want to see him fail. I am definitely not one of them. I was very vocal in supporting his transfer to the club and have no qualms about all the religious/nationalistic nonsense that the narrow minded Stokies get their knickers in a twist about. The point is though he has been very disappointing, like several players, but for him to have been called out for having a great game last night is beggars belief. That's why I posted the video clip, not because I have picked him out of several who were average and below average, but because he was picked out has a being 'great'! That is a bit different. He is contributing in terms of his effort, but his inability to beat players, to cross a ball well, to run forward (Yes, he did do it once yesterday), to control a football, to distribute a ball successfully are all contributing to the stick he was getting before he kicked a ball. Unfortunate though that is. We started to play better when he was injured so I don't see how he just walks back into the team tbh. Having said I hope he goes onto being a brilliant signing. I'm not seeing that much evidence at the moment.
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Post by songthrush01 on Oct 24, 2018 18:38:02 GMT
i know what mclean would make,and thats a left back.he just useless going forward,like other people have said,his crossing and running in to dead alleys is awful.
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 25, 2018 10:15:39 GMT
i know what mclean would make,and thats a left back.he just useless going forward,like other people have said,his crossing and running in to dead alleys is awful. Evidence so far has shown he could lose the man he is supposed to be marking in a phone box and that he is able to time a tackle about as well as Southeast rail. He has been very poor on the wing; on current form he would be a liability at full back.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 12:00:45 GMT
Someone on here said that when we signed Maclean, they expected him to be crap.
He's then gone on to show that he's significantly worse than anyone had feared.
Utter tripe. And the first name on the team sheet. Kill me, now.
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Oct 25, 2018 12:09:01 GMT
Ince should be on the left and us looking for a right winger. I cringe at inverted winger coming back inside. On no we have McClean who has to play. Ince left and Diouf (when fit) or Bauer right, or even the lesser spotted Clucas on the left if he ever regains fitness, until January when we can sign another winger. How I wish we had signed Matt Ritchie. Bauer would be beyond toss playing as a winger / wide forward. Let's shoehorn a shit fullback into an attacking role because Jimmy Mac isn't good enough. That'll solve the issue.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 25, 2018 12:20:49 GMT
Ince left and Diouf (when fit) or Bauer right, or even the lesser spotted Clucas on the left if he ever regains fitness, until January when we can sign another winger. How I wish we had signed Matt Ritchie. Bauer would be beyond toss playing as a winger / wide forward. Let's shoehorn a shit fullback into an attacking role because Jimmy Mac isn't good enough. That'll solve the issue. Firstly, I would prefer the Diouf or Clucas alternatives (if the Saido, Bojan and Ince best choice is not considered robust or physical enough), and, secondly, if Bauer did play there, I would see him more as a wide midfielder in a 442, not as a wide forward in a 433. It is all moot, anyway, as you and me have more chance of being selected by Rowett for Stoke than Moritz, and he clearly, but rather bafflingly, sees McClean as his first choice on the left, no matter what.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 25, 2018 20:02:20 GMT
Watching Ryan Kent for rangers tonight. He's on loan, rangers are skint so they'll be paying fuck all for the loan. Kent is on a different planet to mcclean, miles better and miles cheaper
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 25, 2018 20:10:47 GMT
Watching Ryan Kent for rangers tonight. He's on loan, rangers are skint so they'll be paying fuck all for the loan. Kent is on a different planet to mcclean, miles better and miles cheaper How's Joe Worrall, the big centre half on loan from Forest, doing at Rangers? I'd not mind him down Stoke as well.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 25, 2018 20:28:39 GMT
Watching Ryan Kent for rangers tonight. He's on loan, rangers are skint so they'll be paying fuck all for the loan. Kent is on a different planet to mcclean, miles better and miles cheaper How's Joe Worrall, the big centre half on loan from Forest, doing at Rangers? I'd not mind him down Stoke as well. he looks better than what we have. He was superb against Vienna
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Post by redwhite on Oct 25, 2018 20:56:42 GMT
Fuck me sideways, this just in from Rowett's press conference: "We needed good balls in and we needed to utilise the space. Macca is always going to do that wherever he plays."
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Post by block23 on Oct 25, 2018 22:45:34 GMT
This. He was ineffective but at least put the effort in. The difference between him and Ince is that Ince at least looks decent a lot of the time with the odd off day. McClean will never be better than average. I agree that there are many who want to see him fail. I am definitely not one of them. I was very vocal in supporting his transfer to the club and have no qualms about all the religious/nationalistic nonsense that the narrow minded Stokies get their knickers in a twist about. The point is though he has been very disappointing, like several players, but for him to have been called out for having a great game last night is beggars belief. That's why I posted the video clip, not because I have picked him out of several who were average and below average, but because he was picked out has a being 'great'! That is a bit different. He is contributing in terms of his effort, but his inability to beat players, to cross a ball well, to run forward (Yes, he did do it once yesterday), to control a football, to distribute a ball successfully are all contributing to the stick he was getting before he kicked a ball. Unfortunate though that is. We started to play better when he was injured so I don't see how he just walks back into the team tbh. Having said I hope he goes onto being a brilliant signing. I'm not seeing that much evidence at the moment. Why are some people’s views narrow minded, because they aren’t compatible with yours?
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 25, 2018 22:48:25 GMT
Am I missing a joke with the spelling of his name in the thread title?
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 25, 2018 22:48:50 GMT
Fuck me sideways, this just in from Rowett's press conference: "We needed good balls in and we needed to utilise the space. Macca is always going to do that wherever he plays." Was Rowett pissed?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 26, 2018 6:20:34 GMT
If there was a league for the most shittest players,the Premier league being for for the most shittiest of players,MacLean would be in a top 6 team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 13:08:41 GMT
First name on the team sheet!
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Post by pavel on Oct 26, 2018 13:40:16 GMT
Fuck me sideways, this just in from Rowett's press conference: "We needed good balls in and we needed to utilise the space. Macca is always going to do that wherever he plays." Was Rowett pissed? Jeez, I can’t believe he’s just said that but the worse thing is, I know deep down he believes it, whatever drugs Rowett is on I don’t want to go anywhere near them. The guys deluded and a arrogant no nothing journeyman. I’ve had my fill of him and his football.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 26, 2018 14:39:30 GMT
Ince left and Diouf (when fit) or Bauer right, or even the lesser spotted Clucas on the left if he ever regains fitness, until January when we can sign another winger. How I wish we had signed Matt Ritchie. It doesn’t matter if we had signed Stanley Matthews in his prime, rowett’s MccLean is like pulis’s Walters, he will play him every week is is fit, it’s shambolic down there right now and my guess is that mr James mcclean will end up costing rowett his job in the end and rightly so because he is the only one who thinks he is anything but utter dogshit on a football field Actually, he isn't. I don't think JMcL is "utter dogshit" and there are other fans who don't either (although I did think that the interviewer's comment on Tuesday that he had a "great game" was rather odd). I do however think your analogy with SJW is appropriate. Both players have arguably similar qualities which tend to be more appreciated by the professional coaches than some fans. Personally, I think McLean is a good player at this level when on form. Hopefully no-one will be an automatic pick.
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Post by knowingeye on Oct 26, 2018 14:49:30 GMT
qualities which tend to be more appreciated by the professional coaches than some fans. Most fans see what takes place on the pitch and thus draw their own conclusions.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 26, 2018 15:10:05 GMT
qualities which tend to be more appreciated by the professional coaches than some fans. Most fans see what takes place on the pitch and thus draw their own conclusions. Of course we do, and we very often draw different conclusions from each other, as this board so often demonstrates. But so do the managers and coaches, whose jobs ultimately depend on results on the pitch. I always find it fascinating when I get a chance to talk to managers, ex-managers or coaches because they do see things which I often don't.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 26, 2018 15:30:10 GMT
I thought what he brings, or doesn't bring was summed up in one action during the second half against Sheffield. He broke from his own half and with Pieter's overlapping he tamely put in neither a pass or cross straight to a defender on the edge of the box & another promising passage of play evaporated.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 26, 2018 15:31:20 GMT
Most fans see what takes place on the pitch and thus draw their own conclusions. Of course we do, and we very often draw different conclusions from each other, as this board so often demonstrates. But so do the managers and coaches, whose jobs ultimately depend on results on the pitch. I always find it fascinating when I get a chance to talk to managers, ex-managers or coaches because they do see things which I often don't. I would love to see the things that Rowett sees that we don't because in the last 24 hours alone, he's commented on Afobe needing to help himself in terms of chance creation as well as the team helping him, he's commented that Woods needs to be higher up the pitch and has been too deep the last few games and he's commented on us wanting to be on the front foot with excuses that it's not always possible. For someone who doesn't listen to the supporters and for someone who sees things differently to what us mere fans see, he sure as hell seems in tune with publicly addressing some of the main concerns that have been raised from recent performances. It's all rather odd don't you think but nothing is more odd than his fixation with a winger who cannot beat a man, isn't particularly quick and who cannot seemingly cross a ball even when unchallenged. Jesus, he's a winger and he doesn't take a single corner. What's all that about? I'm sure it's something that even our youngest supporter can see yet seemingly Rowett struggles. Having spoken with managers, ex managers and coaches, something few of us get the chance to do, what do you think Rowett could possibly see in Mclean that nobody else on the terraces does?
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 26, 2018 15:35:56 GMT
I don't know what he sees, but unless McClean is ousted we won't progress. Simply too much breaks down when he is involved and he is far to easy to mark.
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