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Post by Gods on Aug 23, 2018 14:07:41 GMT
It's fairly common for relegated clubs to suffer hangovers from the previous season, they also require a period of readjustment not only to the new league but to the influx of new players. In my opnion there is massive exaggeration on this Board about the present difficulties the club are experiencing, given time I think the manager will turn results round and we will be in a much stronger position as the season unfolds. Out of interest geoff (and a genuine question), have you watched our first 4 matches? If so, you'd realise this "over exaggeration" isn't as much due to the results as the performances. And the problems with the performances aren't down to bedding in and working out best systems for new recruits etc. they're to do with the basics that you learn as a schoolboy e.g. passing to your own team mates, not playing the ball straight our for a throw when you have a team mate 5 yards away in space, knowing how to keep any kind of shape in defence, picking up runners etc. etc. etc. etc. (i.e. pretty much the same issues that sent us down which had absolutely NOTHING to do with any period of adjustment).
Another genuine question...if it's just "over exaggeration" on the fans part, why has Rowett himself come out and said he completely understands the supporters leaving early, the supporters booing the players on the pitch, said that the performances have been "wholly unacceptable" (his words) and why are our own players now having tunnel bust ups and arguing on the pitch? Over-exaggerated” is a redundancy. If something is exaggerated, it's already over stressed :-)
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Post by ash on Aug 23, 2018 14:16:29 GMT
Yes I did watch his last season and half. And agree they were poor performances but if you are only going to think about the worst 12 months of his time here then you’re the one rewriting history. I watched every season he was here and it’s pretty much a golden period in our history. Look at what he’s achieving at Boro now. The defenders we have got currently would be keeping clean sheets if we had a manager of his calibre now. Not really sure how the pigs head incident with players nothing to do with the current squad has resulted in it going wrong. Well you said all this started the day that TP left, which isn't really true is it? Take a look at the pictures at the end of the 2014/15 season, there was a great harmony in the team at the time and that was after we'd brought in the likes of Bojan, Odemwingie, Arnie, Muniesa, Moses, Diouf and even Wollscheid! Even going forward all was reasonably well going into the following season and we hammered both Manchester clubs before things started going wrong around new year 2016. Straight after the cup defeat to Liverpool, it has been a slippery slope ever since!
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Post by mrred on Aug 23, 2018 14:23:23 GMT
Well you said all this started the day that TP left, which isn't really true is it? Take a look at the pictures at the end of the 2014/15 season, there was a great harmony in the team at the time and that was after we'd brought in the likes of Bojan, Odemwingie, Arnie, Muniesa, Moses, Diouf and even Wollscheid! Even going forward all was reasonably well going into the following season and we hammered both Manchester clubs before things started going wrong around new year 2016. Straight after the cup defeat to Liverpool, it has been a slippery slope ever since! I'd argue earlier than that. early on in the 2015/16 season I remember coming away from a number of games thinking 'we didn't really deserve to win that'. Something felt off then. But yeah, the results after the semi final quickly tail off, and here we are.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 23, 2018 14:24:31 GMT
The issue is not fucking Rowett! Those who say he is are seriously not looking deep enough. He certainly plays a big part by picking players like Fletcher and buying players like McClean! Anybody can see those two won't help the cause! In addition Pieters keeps being a loose cannon and Edwards still has a lot to learn. When did Bojan have a good game as a winger? He needs to play as an attacking midfielder or as a striker behind the target man, almost all the Stoke fans know this! I say he needs to take his part of the blame for our shit performances so far.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 23, 2018 14:27:37 GMT
Everyone should submit that one. Done just now, as well as one asking why Scholes and Cartwright are still in their jobs? I asked that under name John Dongson I asked if Peter knew what all the fuss was about under the name Steven Longlength
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Post by webbyscfc on Aug 23, 2018 14:35:03 GMT
The issue is not fucking Rowett! Those who say he is are seriously not looking deep enough. He certainly plays a big part by picking players like Fletcher and buying players like McClean! Anybody can see those two won't help the cause! In addition Pieters keeps being a loose cannon and Edwards still has a lot to learn. When did Bojan have a good game as a winger? He needs to play as an attacking midfielder or as a striker behind the target man, almost all the Stoke fans know this! I say he needs to take his part of the blame for our shit performances so far. I totally agree with you, some of his in game management has been baffling and last night he took responsibility for his decisions. Obviously the Ince change was forced. But time will tell if he changes. I personally saw the sense with the McClean deal (not the 5 years) but he is a grafter which we need at the minute. Playing Fletcher is baffling, but are there reasons why he is being played? Is Etebo not adjusting, N’diaye clearly does not want to be here, Imbula???? Rowett has been dealt a shit hand at the minute, at lot worse than he first thought, he needs time, he is not a bad manager, his other jobs prove that. He has inherited toss and is working with tossers! There is no way on this earth he should be sacked, he has a big mess to clean up and that will take a lot of time.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 23, 2018 14:35:08 GMT
An all too familiar picture of our so called "captain".......with his head bowed!!! He's no captain, but then again....who is in this team??? Not one solitary leader amongst them!!!
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Post by geoff321 on Aug 23, 2018 14:39:06 GMT
It's fairly common for relegated clubs to suffer hangovers from the previous season, they also require a period of readjustment not only to the new league but to the influx of new players. In my opnion there is massive exaggeration on this Board about the present difficulties the club are experiencing, given time I think the manager will turn results round and we will be in a much stronger position as the season unfolds.
Out of interest geoff (and a genuine question), have you watched our first 4 matches?
If so, you'd realise this "over exaggeration" isn't as much due to the results as the performances. And the problems with the performances aren't down to bedding in and working out best systems for new recruits etc. they're to do with the basics that you learn as a schoolboy e.g. passing to your own team mates, not playing the ball straight our for a throw when you have a team mate 5 yards away in space, knowing how to keep any kind of shape in defence, picking up runners etc. etc. etc. etc. (i.e. pretty much the same issues that sent us down which had absolutely NOTHING to do with any period of adjustment).
Another genuine question...if it's just "over exaggeration" on the fans part, why has Rowett himself come out and said he completely understands the supporters leaving early, the supporters booing the players on the pitch, said that the performances have been "wholly unacceptable" (his words) and why are our own players now having tunnel bust ups and arguing on the pitch?
No mick I've not seen the games but I accept that the performances have been poor. Those who are offering support to GR are saying he has inherited a poor squad, those attacking him are saying this squad is one of the best in the Championship, so there appears a big difference in fans opinions. Creating a winning team takes time, especially if a squad is low on confidence or there are new players to integrate into the team, this manager has been in charge for 4 games. I understand in the modern game the desire for instant success, but is anyone seriously suggesting that a manager can be judged on 4 games or that it is now impossible for us to win promotion this season, it's still everything to play for and we need to look forward and not back.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 23, 2018 14:39:35 GMT
I'd like to know what Gary Rowett (or whoever is responsible for banishing them) thinks the Under 23's are going to gain from having those wasters training with them? Surely a more appropriate punishment would be to send those wasters to train with Scholes and Cartwright. Keep all the wasters in one place. What combination of players would be most likely to win a 2 on 2 training game in that scenario? Assuming you had to have 1 pro and 1 board member on each side? Imbula - good on the ball but barely moves off it so would be easy to cut off the passes Choupo - would probably find the space a bit more but can't beat anyone really Scholes - looks quite nimble but something tells me he might be somewhat bully-able Cartwright - has pro experience but is now a fat bastard Think I'd go for Cartwright and Imbula. It's static but as long as the pizza devourer can keep it tight at the back neither Scholes nor Choupo has it in them to get the ball off Imbu. Actually the more I think about it the more I'd be up for watching this instead of the Hull game
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 23, 2018 14:46:04 GMT
He certainly plays a big part by picking players like Fletcher and buying players like McClean! Anybody can see those two won't help the cause! In addition Pieters keeps being a loose cannon and Edwards still has a lot to learn. When did Bojan have a good game as a winger? He needs to play as an attacking midfielder or as a striker behind the target man, almost all the Stoke fans know this! I say he needs to take his part of the blame for our shit performances so far. I totally agree with you, some of his in game management has been baffling and last night he took responsibility for his decisions. Obviously the Ince change was forced. But time will tell if he changes. I personally saw the sense with the McClean deal (not the 5 years) but he is a grafter which we need at the minute. Playing Fletcher is baffling, but are there reasons why he is being played? Is Etebo not adjusting, N’diaye clearly does not want to be here, Imbula???? Rowett has been dealt a shit hand at the minute, at lot worse than he first thought, he needs time, he is not a bad manager, his other jobs prove that. He has inherited toss and is working with tossers! There is no way on this earth he should be sacked, he has a big mess to clean up and that will take a lot of time. I really can't see the logic in playing Fletcher who is too immobile, slow, loses the ball when in possession frequently and really looking past it when Etebo really should get the time on the pitch to adjust!? Rowett can defend McClean all he wants, but anybody can really see that his contribution is more negative than positive. He hardly creates anything or is unable to get crosses in, but in addition he is really sloppy defensively too. Why he is still picked is really unfair to other players and is a riddle to most people who care about Stoke City FC!
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 23, 2018 14:47:50 GMT
Where was this article 18 months ago?
Why is the national press now realising the exact same thing Stoke fans have been saying for 18 months.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 23, 2018 14:49:07 GMT
Where was this article 18 months ago? Why is the national press now realising the exact same thing Stoke fans have been saying for 18 months. Cause no one gives a fuck about Stoke City. I wouldn't be surprised if Durham on TalkSport waded in today as well.
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Post by Davef on Aug 23, 2018 15:02:30 GMT
Anyway...
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 23, 2018 15:16:51 GMT
Just like I thought, talksport are having their say on us.
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Post by Meirparkstokie on Aug 23, 2018 15:21:56 GMT
If I was Rowett I wouldn’t give them a football or have them running around cones today. I’d sit them all down in a room together and ask every single one of them in front of everyone else what their f**king problem is!? Whether it means being open and honest about other players, tactics, the manager, the board... whatever it is. Clear the air, find a solution and start again tomorrow with unity! Whether it takes 2 hours or 12 hours it needs to be sorted today.
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Post by right on Aug 23, 2018 15:28:20 GMT
The best and rising clubs of the European lower leagues rely on youth. They are fast, agile, and have something to prove. We have disregarded youth in favor of bigger names that have done well in the past. And now we suck.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 23, 2018 15:33:08 GMT
Out of interest geoff (and a genuine question), have you watched our first 4 matches?
If so, you'd realise this "over exaggeration" isn't as much due to the results as the performances. And the problems with the performances aren't down to bedding in and working out best systems for new recruits etc. they're to do with the basics that you learn as a schoolboy e.g. passing to your own team mates, not playing the ball straight our for a throw when you have a team mate 5 yards away in space, knowing how to keep any kind of shape in defence, picking up runners etc. etc. etc. etc. (i.e. pretty much the same issues that sent us down which had absolutely NOTHING to do with any period of adjustment).
Another genuine question...if it's just "over exaggeration" on the fans part, why has Rowett himself come out and said he completely understands the supporters leaving early, the supporters booing the players on the pitch, said that the performances have been "wholly unacceptable" (his words) and why are our own players now having tunnel bust ups and arguing on the pitch?
No mick I've not seen the games but I accept that the performances have been poor. Those who are offering support to GR are saying he has inherited a poor squad, those attacking him are saying this squad is one of the best in the Championship, so there appears a big difference in fans opinions. Creating a winning team takes time, especially if a squad is low on confidence or there are new players to integrate into the team, this manager has been in charge for 4 games. I understand in the modern game the desire for instant success, but is anyone seriously suggesting that a manager can be judged on 4 games or that it is now impossible for us to win promotion this season, it's still everything to play for and we need to look forward and not back.
I agree that it takes time to gel together, learn under a new manager, forge relationships etc. but as i said Geoff, none of our problems are being caused by this.
If people could see PROFESSIONAL footballers at least getting the very, very basic fundamentals of football right, showing some fight even when they're underperforming and could see ANY plan as to how we're setting up or what the end aim is then we wouldn't have the booing at games and the manager HIMSELF stating that so far it's been unacceptable and he completely understands why people are leaving early. He is the manager who sees them day in and day out and even he himself appreciate our anger. When a manager says that himself, then i think that shows that it isn't an overreaction at all as even he is clearly worried and very, very unhappy at what the players are doing on the pitch. His upset and annoyance also illustrates that they clearly aren't playing to any kind of plan that he has set down (if they were and still giving the same kind of performance,s then he'd obviously be changing that plan as it would be proof that the plan obviously doesn't work), and if they're not for some reason then there's something we all have every right to be very concerned about.
This isn't just a couple of bad results geoff, this is simply a continuation of the downhill trend that has been in plain sight for 18 months and needs to be arrested.....damn quickly!
For what it's worth, i don't think i've seen anyone actually attack Rowett due to the fact that he has the best squad in the Championship at all:
I've seen plenty attack him for his poor signings (which generally they really have been so far, again not down to "bedding in" but simply due to the fact that none have really shown anything at all thus far and Ince aside, most were largely criticised at the time as being average at best and even Ince was a 50/50 on here with some being happy and others being critical)
I've seen plenty attack for him for his bizarre starting XIs which seem to be including players who we all could see last year weren't up to scratch and excluding players that at least DO have a creative and attacking side to their play.....and his even more bizarre substitutions at times
I've seen plenty attack him for seemingly having no Plan A (let alone a Plan B) whilst watching our team run around like headless chickens with absolutely no leadership or communication, constantly give the ball away because any pass more than 5 yards seems to be too much for them to pull off, hoof it into touch or when we finally do into their final third watch a player look up to see no support then run sideways for 10 yards before passing it back to our back 4 as they come under pressure and have no out ball.
Whether Rowett is new or not he has made a fair few bizarre decisions and serious errors so far and he doesn't get excused for that simply because he's a newbie. Yes, it takes time but during that time we should be able to at least see a few glimpses of what the direction is, what the plan is in terms of what kind of side he wants us to be and how much tactical nouse he has to change the system if it's not working. At the moment it's all completely shambolic and if it doesn't work it reverts back to slinging on Crouch and HOOOOOOF!!!!
Most people i think are realistic enough to think we'll stay up i reckon but that isn't where most of the anger stems from i don't think. I think most people's ire is due to the fact that the club were very vocal in the media about doing everything they possibly could to make sure we came back up first time and the fans deserved it [Insert applicable PR by numbers platitude here to keep the fans quiet for a bit] etc. etc. blah blah, and whilst most of us realise that's far from being a guarantee due to how competitive this league is, to be signing some of the players we have and to be serving up the "football" the team are at the moment most of us feel lied to by the club as they've shown no ambition whatsoever whilst Rowett has taken a poor side and actually made us worse!
It isn't over exaggeration at all geoff. We expected to compete this season, not necessarily go up but compete for the top top 8 at least to give us something to get excited about with a possible play off push etc and we had EVERY right to expect that given the noises made by those in charge. So far there has been nothing more than complete capitulation and the fact remains that we just don't have the quality in the starting XI he's picking to even fight in a game. We're now already in a position where within the next couple of weeks we could be needing to go on a run of about 6 wins in a row to even get back to any kind of competitive position and so far we've seen absolutely no sign of even winning one, let alone this team suddenly miraculously gelling and going on a 2 month winning streak. We can't even get 5 shots on goal in the last 180 minutes for god's sake!
For the fans to absolutely livid at the moment isn't just something that ISN'T an over exaggeration, it's both our right (after what we were told by the chairman) and our duty as supporters to not simply sit back and say nothing whilst we see our team sink to even worse performances and lower depths than we did last year.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 23, 2018 15:35:04 GMT
If you run a place like ship without a captain, sailing anywhere, am afraid you've got to expect that some are going to ask what the point is. What would you (and others) do at work? - your boss and owners swan in, make one stupid decision after another each day, leave a mountain of festering health hazards decaying in the corner, and tell you to stop fussing. They employ an electrician to run HR and a HR manager to rewire the office. And you all know you need someone to man the reception, but they tell you that they've already hired a couple of them (the psychpath and the bloke who couldn't speak English). They blame the staff for laziness, banish a couple, and then pay themselves a fortune before swanning off again. At some point, after 1 year, 2 years.... doesn't something crack in you - even if your immediate manager is doing his best?
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Post by Pricey on Aug 23, 2018 16:04:28 GMT
Surely a more appropriate punishment would be to send those wasters to train with Scholes and Cartwright. Keep all the wasters in one place. They should be sent to clean the loos, sweep the terraces and dub the boots, not be allowed to have their bad attitudes rub off on the kiddies. Is there anything in a player's contract that says they have to play football as their job? So in theory we could have them doing anything we want? Stewarding on the Boothen concourse?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 16:34:02 GMT
If there are individual players causing this chaos, disharmony and upset I would, regardless of who they are, sack them or suspend them on no pay and keep hold of their registration or even sue them for breach of contract
Cut the cancer out to stop it spreading
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 16:34:52 GMT
Well you said all this started the day that TP left, which isn't really true is it? Take a look at the pictures at the end of the 2014/15 season, there was a great harmony in the team at the time and that was after we'd brought in the likes of Bojan, Odemwingie, Arnie, Muniesa, Moses, Diouf and even Wollscheid! Even going forward all was reasonably well going into the following season and we hammered both Manchester clubs before things started going wrong around new year 2016. Straight after the cup defeat to Liverpool, it has been a slippery slope ever since! That night was the equivalent of Bolton's semi with us
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Post by tribe on Aug 23, 2018 16:43:25 GMT
Could someone who can access the Percy article copy and paste it on this thread please? I'm unable to access it.
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Post by geoff321 on Aug 23, 2018 17:10:41 GMT
No mick I've not seen the games but I accept that the performances have been poor. Those who are offering support to GR are saying he has inherited a poor squad, those attacking him are saying this squad is one of the best in the Championship, so there appears a big difference in fans opinions. Creating a winning team takes time, especially if a squad is low on confidence or there are new players to integrate into the team, this manager has been in charge for 4 games. I understand in the modern game the desire for instant success, but is anyone seriously suggesting that a manager can be judged on 4 games or that it is now impossible for us to win promotion this season, it's still everything to play for and we need to look forward and not back.
I agree that it takes time to gel together, learn under a new manager, forge relationships etc. but as i said Geoff, none of our problems are being caused by this.
If people could see PROFESSIONAL footballers at least getting the very, very basic fundamentals of football right, showing some fight even when they're underperforming and could see ANY plan as to how we're setting up or what the end aim is then we wouldn't have the booing at games and the manager HIMSELF stating that so far it's been unacceptable and he completely understands why people are leaving early. He is the manager who sees them day in and day out and even he himself appreciate our anger. When a manager says that himself, then i think that shows that it isn't an overreaction at all as even he is clearly worried and very, very unhappy at what the players are doing on the pitch. His upset and annoyance also illustrates that they clearly aren't playing to any kind of plan that he has set down (if they were and still giving the same kind of performance,s then he'd obviously be changing that plan as it would be proof that the plan obviously doesn't work), and if they're not for some reason then there's something we all have every right to be very concerned about.
This isn't just a couple of bad results geoff, this is simply a continuation of the downhill trend that has been in plain sight for 18 months and needs to be arrested.....damn quickly!
For what it's worth, i don't think i've seen anyone actually attack Rowett due to the fact that he has the best squad in the Championship at all:
I've seen plenty attack him for his poor signings (which generally they really have been so far, again not down to "bedding in" but simply due to the fact that none have really shown anything at all thus far and Ince aside, most were largely criticised at the time as being average at best and even Ince was a 50/50 on here with some being happy and others being critical)
I've seen plenty attack for him for his bizarre starting XIs which seem to be including players who we all could see last year weren't up to scratch and excluding players that at least DO have a creative and attacking side to their play.....and his even more bizarre substitutions at times
I've seen plenty attack him for seemingly having no Plan A (let alone a Plan B) whilst watching our team run around like headless chickens with absolutely no leadership or communication, constantly give the ball away because any pass more than 5 yards seems to be too much for them to pull off, hoof it into touch or when we finally do into their final third watch a player look up to see no support then run sideways for 10 yards before passing it back to our back 4 as they come under pressure and have no out ball.
Whether Rowett is new or not he has made a fair few bizarre decisions and serious errors so far and he doesn't get excused for that simply because he's a newbie. Yes, it takes time but during that time we should be able to at least see a few glimpses of what the direction is, what the plan is in terms of what kind of side he wants us to be and how much tactical nouse he has to change the system if it's not working. At the moment it's all completely shambolic and if it doesn't work it reverts back to slinging on Crouch and HOOOOOOF!!!!
Most people i think are realistic enough to think we'll stay up i reckon but that isn't where most of the anger stems from i don't think. I think most people's ire is due to the fact that the club were very vocal in the media about doing everything they possibly could to make sure we came back up first time and the fans deserved it [Insert applicable PR by numbers platitude here to keep the fans quiet for a bit] etc. etc. blah blah, and whilst most of us realise that's far from being a guarantee due to how competitive this league is, to be signing some of the players we have and to be serving up the "football" the team are at the moment most of us feel lied to by the club as they've shown no ambition whatsoever whilst Rowett has taken a poor side and actually made us worse!
It isn't over exaggeration at all geoff. We expected to compete this season, not necessarily go up but compete for the top top 8 at least to give us something to get excited about with a possible play off push etc and we had EVERY right to expect that given the noises made by those in charge. So far there has been nothing more than complete capitulation and the fact remains that we just don't have the quality in the starting XI he's picking to even fight in a game. We're now already in a position where within the next couple of weeks we could be needing to go on a run of about 6 wins in a row to even get back to any kind of competitive position and so far we've seen absolutely no sign of even winning one, let alone this team suddenly miraculously gelling and going on a 2 month winning streak. We can't even get 5 shots on goal in the last 180 minutes for god's sake!
For the fans to absolutely livid at the moment isn't just something that ISN'T an over exaggeration, it's both our right (after what we were told by the chairman) and our duty as supporters to not simply sit back and say nothing whilst we see our team sink to even worse performances and lower depths than we did last year.
Firstly mick the owners have delivered a promotion and ten years of PL football. In each of those years relegation was always lurking, even in those seasons of 9th place finishes.
It shouldn't come as a big surprise to any fan that we eventually did suffer relegation, that will happen to clubs like Stoke eventually. What in the end did for us appears to be mistakes in the transfer market , all at the club share some responsibilty for that.
As we are now out of the PL then we have to secure the type of players that will help us get out of the Championship, that's what GR is attempting to do, having improved the results at Birmingham and Derby he should know what he's doing in that respect.
Relegation is always a serious failure at any club and we are now seeing the problems it causes on a number of fronts, however we have a proven manager at this level, financial clout, good support and a number of good players, I think we will bounce back and the doom merchants on here will be proved wrong.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 23, 2018 17:33:59 GMT
They should be sent to clean the loos, sweep the terraces and dub the boots, not be allowed to have their bad attitudes rub off on the kiddies. Is there anything in a player's contract that says they have to play football as their job? So in theory we could have them doing anything we want? Stewarding on the Boothen concourse? Unless they had a very bad lawyer/agent, a contract would specific their job title and unilaterally changing the nature of the job can be deemed constructive dismissal and they could be looking at a big pay out if they took it to court. Shame........
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 18:03:34 GMT
The Three Wise Monkeys
Useless pricks more like ...
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 23, 2018 18:44:51 GMT
Why dont the people running the club see this when virtually everyone else can ? Even if they can see it,can they sort it? I really don't know what the answer is and i hope to God that they do because this is spiralling out of control.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 23, 2018 18:49:47 GMT
Why dont the people running the club see this when virtually everyone else can ? Even if they can see it,can they sort it? I really don't know what the answer is and i hope to God that they do because this is spiralling out of control. The problem is its probably too far down the line now to solve in a season. We have too many players who are stealing a living now as they've been deemed surplus to requirements or not good enough. Allen wasn't worth a new contract, Cameron surplus, ECM surplus, Imbula surplus, Badou wants out, Fletcher past it, McClean not good enough and on a 4 year deal, Berahino hasnt scored in 45 games, Diouf looks a shadow of the player qe first signed as does Pieters. We have all these players on the books and nobody wants them. I also shudder to think what their combined weekly wages would be
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Post by pottersrule on Aug 23, 2018 18:58:42 GMT
Even if they can see it,can they sort it? I really don't know what the answer is and i hope to God that they do because this is spiralling out of control. The problem is its probably too far down the line now to solve in a season. We have too many players who are stealing a living now as they've been deemed surplus to requirements or not good enough. Allen wasn't worth a new contract, Cameron surplus, ECM surplus, Imbula surplus, Badou wants out, Fletcher past it, McClean not good enough and on a 4 year deal, Berahino hasnt scored in 45 games, Diouf looks a shadow of the player qe first signed as does Pieters. We have all these players on the books and nobody wants them. I also shudder to think what their combined weekly wages would be As i and many have said the deadwood will kill us mate.
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Post by johnbutlershair on Aug 23, 2018 19:00:54 GMT
The problem is its probably too far down the line now to solve in a season. We have too many players who are stealing a living now as they've been deemed surplus to requirements or not good enough. Allen wasn't worth a new contract, Cameron surplus, ECM surplus, Imbula surplus, Badou wants out, Fletcher past it, McClean not good enough and on a 4 year deal, Berahino hasnt scored in 45 games, Diouf looks a shadow of the player qe first signed as does Pieters. We have all these players on the books and nobody wants them. I also shudder to think what their combined weekly wages would be As i and many have said the deadwood will kill us mate. It certainly will. Its a very very worrying situation that could lead to us in a very similar position to what QPR are in
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 23, 2018 19:01:12 GMT
Even if they can see it,can they sort it? I really don't know what the answer is and i hope to God that they do because this is spiralling out of control. The problem is its probably too far down the line now to solve in a season. We have too many players who are stealing a living now as they've been deemed surplus to requirements or not good enough. Allen wasn't worth a new contract, Cameron surplus, ECM surplus, Imbula surplus, Badou wants out, Fletcher past it, McClean not good enough and on a 4 year deal, Berahino hasnt scored in 45 games, Diouf looks a shadow of the player qe first signed as does Pieters. We have all these players on the books and nobody wants them. I also shudder to think what their combined weekly wages would be I never thought we could solve things this season but didn't think we would just carry on down the same road to oblivion , signing the likes of McClean and Williams are another two journeymen who cost too much and are not good enough . Plenty of good young athletic players against us every week.
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