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Post by flea79 on Aug 23, 2018 9:57:26 GMT
As I said on another thread - Rowett has lost at least some of the dressing room and he is guilty of bringing in & playing some malign characters that will have tested team spitit and split opinion as it has on here.......it's a clusterfuck and as much as people want to blame Scholes and Cartwright, as with Hughes you HAVE to look at the board of directors who have allowed and continue to allow it to happen.......I hope they are consdering selling up but I guess no-one will be bidding very hard in this state.....utter embarrassing shambles. maybe the bringing in of a firebrand such as McClean has upset the order in the dressing room? in the way that Delph was seen in the Man City dressing room being vocal when it wasnt going well hasnt gone down well with the likes of Shitcross who i imagine just sits quietly and is no sort of leader? we will never truly know but i think the old guard at the club feel put out that these newer players have come in and are vocal and hungry while they are happy to do as they have done for the last few years
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Aug 23, 2018 10:00:47 GMT
Very good assessment of the situation, can't really add anymore...... I can. What do we do about it? Our shitness has been analyzed to death (which is very easy to do) but nobodies coming up with any solutions. That's what we need to start thinking about now.
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Post by chumley on Aug 23, 2018 10:00:53 GMT
So someone didn't train so was his pay stopped ????
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 23, 2018 10:01:14 GMT
"It felt like the last two or three years of problems exploded in 90 minutes. The poor recruitment, the faith in players whose best days are long behind them, the lack of discipline which had one senior player last season referring to the final months under Hughes as a "holiday camp"."
Brilliant summary, and rightly pins the blame on all areas of the club that deserve it. The executives, the managers and the players themselves.
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Post by ash on Aug 23, 2018 10:04:58 GMT
Before Rowett was appointed the club knew the players in the squad who needed to leave. I believe Rowett was given the names when he was appointed and was told that they would be moved on. The point in this respect is not whether Rowett is a good or a bad manager, the fact is he has been let down big time by the club in failing to get rid of these players. We were given assurances that the club were determined to sort matters out so a promotion push could be made straight away. To do this they had to show some balls and loose money on the deals to shift the deadwood which clearly continues to contaminate team spirit, but they have continued to meander in the transfer market. The start was ok in Afobe and Etebo but the 5 or six weeks of inaction after that is yet again a sign of them sleep walking into trouble. Will they never learn? How do you get rid of players that you don't want if no one else wants them either? They have contracts so we can't simply get rid of them. Also there has been rumours of Ndiaye going out on loan which no one is happy with yet that appears to be the only offer for him. I would love to see several of Mark Hughes failed signings leave but sadly it isn't always that simple. Look at Sunderland and Villa both still have several recruitment failures hanging around.
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Post by Pricey on Aug 23, 2018 10:06:44 GMT
Thing is with all this stuff is that the media need "crisis clubs" so they have something to write about. Hence all the shit with Mourinho and Man Utd being perfect for them. They don't need much to jump in and perform character assassinations on all and sundry. Luckily for the media we've given them plenty to go on and the majority of it has been totally unnecessary from our end. I'm sure today's nob-head players have hissy fits left, right and centre in training but we don't hear about most of it because the majority of clubs are pretty stable. We, on the other hand, are in the process of rapid decline.
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Post by supacoopa101 on Aug 23, 2018 10:11:49 GMT
Good article and Percy clearly speaks to the fans about the problems at our club because he's pretty much outlined what we all know.
Regarding players walking out on training early, this is why we shouldn't be risking signing players on 4/5 year contracts. If they end up being bad apples then it's nigh on impossible to cut your losses which we need to on some of our players.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Aug 23, 2018 10:14:09 GMT
Hughes and his holiday camp. That doesn't surprise me one single bit.
All his interviews he was so cocky with the "we'll turn it around" "it'll be alright". His attitude clearly sank into that squad, and once the clueless morons in power sacked him with no back up plan, it went from up shit creek with a paper paddle, to up shit creek without a paddle in a matter of hours.
Whether or not QSF did that u turn or not, it doesn't defeat the fact that the club SHOULD have got that replacement lined up WELL before Hughes was given the bullet.
Hughes had to go, but we needed a plan and in hindsight, to let his coaching staff carry on was nothing short of criminal, they were all part of Hughes team, this holiday camp that's been talked about.
I hope Rowett sorts it out himself, and we can only pray that the ultimate power John / Peter give Scholes and Cartwright an AK47 style bulleting and get this shower behind the scenes sorted before we end up like Sunderland
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Post by VolvicStokie on Aug 23, 2018 10:16:59 GMT
And I dont think it was Bauer who walked out on training, he was at the game last night. He's injured.
I'd imagine it was Choupo / Imbula / one of the outcasts that we can't give away!!
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Post by Pricey on Aug 23, 2018 10:18:58 GMT
Hughes and his holiday camp. That doesn't surprise me one single bit. All his interviews he was so cocky with the "we'll turn it around" "it'll be alright". His attitude clearly sank into that squad, and once the clueless morons in power sacked him with no back up plan, it went from up shit creek with a paper paddle, to up shit creek without a paddle in a matter of hours. Whether or not QSF did that u turn or not, it doesn't defeat the fact that the club SHOULD have got that replacement lined up WELL before Hughes was given the bullet. Hughes had to go, but we needed a plan and in hindsight, to let his coaching staff carry on was nothing short of criminal, they were all part of Hughes team, this holiday camp that's been talked about. I hope Rowett sorts it out himself, and we can only pray that the ultimate power John / Peter give Scholes and Cartwright an AK47 style bulleting and get this shower behind the scenes sorted before we end up like Sunderland And let's face it re: QSF. He almost certainly made the correct decision given the state we were in.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 23, 2018 10:19:28 GMT
Good article. Is he talking about Bauer not completing the training? It'd make sense. It would be surprise if he was, from interviews and the like he doesn't seem the type to down tools and strop off.
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Post by ashbystokie on Aug 23, 2018 10:21:15 GMT
Its a provocative article, seems a very good assessment but surely the worst summary of our club I've ever read, saddening, cos its really happening, frightening, of where it might (& probably will) lead to - a drop to League One?, and sickening that our club of professional people have reduced themselves to this. This position is totally toxic, where are you Peter?? So, what does the club do next - sack Rowett, is that the solution?, move those 'toxic' players elsewhere - we cant even 'give them away'.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 23, 2018 10:21:28 GMT
What a bunch of fucking wankers we have employed at this club.
I’d happily see the whole squad, with the exception of about 3 players released.
Promotion favourites? What a pisser.
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Post by VolvicStokie on Aug 23, 2018 10:21:50 GMT
Hughes and his holiday camp. That doesn't surprise me one single bit. All his interviews he was so cocky with the "we'll turn it around" "it'll be alright". His attitude clearly sank into that squad, and once the clueless morons in power sacked him with no back up plan, it went from up shit creek with a paper paddle, to up shit creek without a paddle in a matter of hours. Whether or not QSF did that u turn or not, it doesn't defeat the fact that the club SHOULD have got that replacement lined up WELL before Hughes was given the bullet. Hughes had to go, but we needed a plan and in hindsight, to let his coaching staff carry on was nothing short of criminal, they were all part of Hughes team, this holiday camp that's been talked about. I hope Rowett sorts it out himself, and we can only pray that the ultimate power John / Peter give Scholes and Cartwright an AK47 style bulleting and get this shower behind the scenes sorted before we end up like Sunderland And let's face it re: QSF. He almost certainly made the correct decision given the state we were in. Yup. He must have been tipped off about it all then. Spanish lads perhaps?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 23, 2018 10:22:18 GMT
We are a fucking laughing stock. dailym.ai/2o1tRutI don't think supporters are angry enough. Hierarchy heads are still in the sand. Allardyce or Moyes please, once the twattish two have been removed. Neither would go near us, we don't need a new manager anyway.
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Post by nutterpotter on Aug 23, 2018 10:22:19 GMT
Doubt it's Bauer.
It won't be Choupo or Imbula as they've been training with the U23s.
Probably Badou.
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Post by Pricey on Aug 23, 2018 10:22:58 GMT
Good article. Is he talking about Bauer not completing the training? It'd make sense. It would be surprise if he was, from interviews and the like he doesn't seem the type to down tools and strop off. Yep, I think we need to believe in Bauer as a person. He might have suspect footballing ability but he's made of the right stuff I think.
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Post by Pricey on Aug 23, 2018 10:24:16 GMT
And let's face it re: QSF. He almost certainly made the correct decision given the state we were in. Yup. He must have been tipped off about it all then. Spanish lads perhaps? Due diligence may even involve looking at the likes of The Oatcake these days. The strife was pretty obvious.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 23, 2018 10:24:54 GMT
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Post by Veritas on Aug 23, 2018 10:27:47 GMT
Well summed up. Would've been nice for him to name and shame the player though. Not sure why he couldn't have named him. There must have been enough witnesses to back it up if the story was challenged. He wouldn't want to compromise his source who may well have passed the info on on the proviso the player was not named.
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Post by Pricey on Aug 23, 2018 10:28:07 GMT
Its a provocative article, seems a very good assessment but surely the worst summary of our club I've ever read, saddening, cos its really happening, frightening, of where it might (& probably will) lead to - a drop to League One?, and sickening that our club of professional people have reduced themselves to this. This position is totally toxic, where are you Peter?? So, what does the club do next - sack Rowett, is that the solution?, move those 'toxic' players elsewhere - we cant even 'give them away'. The worst players should be put on gardening leave. Yes, we're sucking up the salaries but we just need to get rid. How them training with the under 23s being a good idea is beyond me. We're letting bad professionals influence our best prospects. Utterly ridiculous.
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Post by Pedropotter on Aug 23, 2018 10:29:23 GMT
I cant see the fecking thing - can someone copy and paste please? Thanks
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Post by webbyscfc on Aug 23, 2018 10:30:15 GMT
The issue is not fucking Rowett! Those who say he is are seriously not looking deep enough.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 23, 2018 10:31:55 GMT
Its a provocative article, seems a very good assessment but surely the worst summary of our club I've ever read, saddening, cos its really happening, frightening, of where it might (& probably will) lead to - a drop to League One?, and sickening that our club of professional people have reduced themselves to this. This position is totally toxic, where are you Peter?? So, what does the club do next - sack Rowett, is that the solution?, move those 'toxic' players elsewhere - we cant even 'give them away'. The worst players should be put on gardening leave. Yes, we're sucking up the salaries but we just need to get rid. How them training with the under 23s being a good idea is beyond me. We're letting bad professionals influence our best prospects. Utterly ridiculous. Spot radical times need radical solutions tell them to stay at home, circle the wagons and build a siege mentality with those who are up for the fight. You can't guarantee a successful campaign this early in the season but you can pretty much guarantee an unsuccessful one.
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Post by Pricey on Aug 23, 2018 10:39:27 GMT
The worst players should be put on gardening leave. Yes, we're sucking up the salaries but we just need to get rid. How them training with the under 23s being a good idea is beyond me. We're letting bad professionals influence our best prospects. Utterly ridiculous. Spot radical times need radical solutions tell them to stay at home, circle the wagons and build a siege mentality with those who are up for the fight. You can't guarantee a successful campaign this early in the season but you can pretty much guarantee an unsuccessful one. Lambert is clearly a limited football manager but at least he did that side right. Not interested in working for me? Fuck off. The problem may be there were players he did think were interested and players Rowett thinks are interested who are still faking it. Some of them won't even know it themselves yet and need to do some serious self-reflection.
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Post by lordb on Aug 23, 2018 10:41:43 GMT
We are a fucking laughing stock. dailym.ai/2o1tRutI don't think supporters are angry enough. Hierarchy heads are still in the sand. Allardyce or Moyes please, once the twattish two have been removed. Moyes turned the job down, as for Sam dream on.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 23, 2018 10:44:13 GMT
Classic lines from the last 18 months . . .
"Who else would do the job" "What's all the fuss about?" "The process is working just fine"
Any truth to the rumor that Coates' middle name is Nero?
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Post by metalhead on Aug 23, 2018 10:51:52 GMT
Fuck me, grim reading eh! Yesterday was a real turning point, things are going to be changing soon one way or another. Will they, in what regard? Going down a division?
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 23, 2018 10:55:50 GMT
It went wrong somewhere between the day Pulis left and the time Hughes/the transfer team filled the squad with players with no balls. First couple of seasons Hughes had strong players like Bego, Ryan, n’zonzi, Whelan, Walters etc. TP had a philosophy of football that a lot of fans didn’t like. It’s the most enjoyable spell of supporting the team for me personally. And his Boro side have started magnificently but that’s another debate. Anyway, from there Hughes and the transfer team brought in some top quality to go with the solid pros we had. We added the likes of Bojan, Arnie, Shaq, who though inconsistent had some glorious performances and we had a mini golden era where it seemed we had cracked it. Then Hughes let go the likes of Whelan, Walters, Huth (who went on to win a title which shows what he had left to offer) and through no fault of his own we had to sell Bego and n’zonzi - losing all fighting spirit in the team. Then players like Arnie were sold for relatively big money and replaced with choupo fucking moting on a free. And prior to that N’zonzi was replaced by Imbula who hasn’t even learnt to speak English. The rot set in while Pulis was still here. His last two seasons were negative dross. Hughes came in and turned the club around, signed some great players, and we played some of the best football I've seen at this club since the 70's. But the rot set in again for some reason about 18 months before Hughes was sacked. Perhaps part of the reason for that was because, as Percy puts it, the club was run like a holiday camp. That suggest to me that a malaise had already set in and nobody gave two hoots about what was going on. 12 months too late and Hughes is buggered off. We then had the fiasco of not being able to find a top manager and ended up with Lambert. He tried his best and managed to sort out some of the things wrong with the playing staff, but his hands were tied because what was left after Hughes went simply wasn't good enough. Deservedly, we got relegated because of the failings over the previous 18 months. Enter Rowett. He knew the club was rotten before he took us over. He thought he could turn it around. Maybe he still can/will. That's debatable, but he's not a bad manager and should be able to steady the ship. Up to yet though he hasn't filled me with confidence. Some of his tactics and substitutions have been at best, terrible. Without knowing the full story, perhaps how he's handled some of the players has been just as bad. Good man-managers can handle players that others can't. Life's like that. When we're at work there are always some people you don't get on with, but if you're working as a team then you learn to put aside your personal feelings for the good of the job at hand. Humble Pie is a great meal when you feel like smacking somebody in the mouth. While it's settling, you can relax and tacke stock of things. Afterwards is when you go on steak and chips again. Last night there were some positive signs during that 25 minute spell. For the first time in a long time I thought that Afobe and Berahino looked as though they could be a good partnership up front. The team were playing well. It was only after Wigan scored that it all began to go wrong. So what does that tell us? It tells me that the players we've got have no confidence and some are lacking in moral fibre, as well as being simply not good enough. Where we'll go from here I have no idea, but I do know that what I watched last night after Wigan scored was amongst the worst performances I've seen from any team wearing the red and white stripes. They were as bad as any Alan Ball or Kamara sides. They looked shell-shocked and out of their depth on the park against a team that we should have demolished easily. We're in a right old mess and I've no idea how we're going to get out of it. But somebody has got to do it. In the meantime there's always Lady Luck to give us a hand. She seems to have buggered off and is nowhere to be seen. Absolutely nothing is falling for us at the moment. OS.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 23, 2018 10:57:15 GMT
Classic lines from the last 18 months . . . "Who else would do the job" - Not fucking you, Mark"What's all the fuss about?" - Peter "dither dither dither" Coates being the only person in club football too blind to see how shit we were"The process is working just fine" - It certainly is isn't it!Any truth to the rumor that Coates' middle name is Nero?
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