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Post by 1977delta on Aug 9, 2018 16:50:45 GMT
O.K , so we've had a disappointing 2 years or so and there's frustration and exasperation about that. But this message board is being used as a cessplt of distorted and sick negativity by some , maybe a lot , of people. The Oatcake fanzine has been such a positive force for Stoke fans since its creation in far darker days than these and I think often this messageboard isnt worthy of its name.
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Aug 9, 2018 16:55:14 GMT
It's engrained in the psyche mate for all Stoke fans. You sign up for a life time of disappointment supporting Stoke with just the odd flicker of delight thrown in every now and again just to wet your appetite and keep you in there.
I've had 54 years of supporting them through thin and thinner but i'm still a happy bunny really and wouldn't have it any other way. Well the odd cup thrown in the mix would be a nice reward for all the sacrifices and generally pissed off feelings & frustrations we all get from time to time following this great old club, but even if thats not to be again in my lifetime, I still wouldn't change it one little bit.
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Post by skemstokie on Aug 9, 2018 17:15:32 GMT
It's engrained in the psyche mate for all Stoke fans. You sign up for a life time of disappointment supporting Stoke with just the odd flicker of delight thrown in every now and again just to wet your appetite and keep you in there. I've had 54 years of supporting them through thin and thinner but i'm still a happy bunny really and wouldn't have it any other way. Well the odd cup thrown in the mix would be a nice reward for all the sacrifices and generally pissed off feelings & frustrations we all get from time to time following this great old club, but even if thats not to be again in my lifetime, I still wouldn't change it one little bit. We must of got on board H.M.S.Stoke City at the same time,been through many storms and many years in the doldrums but what a lot of younger fans don`t realize is that these last ten years have been pretty much plain sailing.more like being on a cruise compared to some of the more turbulent years ,  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 17:23:58 GMT
What's a cessplt?
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 9, 2018 17:25:44 GMT
I think some don't understand that we have dropped down to the championship and are no longer as attractive as we used to be. We've made some good signings, and we have time to gel and have a memorable season.
GOOOARN!
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 9, 2018 17:26:40 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit.
I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment.
So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 9, 2018 17:28:53 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit. I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment. So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment. What sort of ears though? Don't post pictures of them on here there are ear fetishists about. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2018 17:30:22 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit. I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment. So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment. Morecambe lost 6-0 to Crewe. Happy for you to advance your theory that we’re worse than them. |
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Post by kristoff on Aug 9, 2018 17:32:24 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit. I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment. So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment. Claims to be positive that we may do well this season, then claims (after 1 game) that we are doomed. Couldn’t make it up |
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 9, 2018 17:32:41 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit. I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment. So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment. Morecambe lost 6-0 to Crewe. Happy for you to advance your theory that we’re worse than them. That is pretty bad, I'll grant you that, but in context I couldn't say, you can be an overall good team and yet have an off day playing decent opposition. That could be what happened to Morecambe, though they were playing Crewe so I'll grant you that theory may not hold water. As a better example, Liverpool weren't really shit just because we beat them 6-1. It's how consistently shit we are that is the problem. We are ALWAYS shit and it's been like this for at least 18 months. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 9, 2018 17:32:49 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit. I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment. So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment. Do you understand hyperbole undermines you argument to the point that's untenable? |
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 9, 2018 17:32:52 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit. I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment. So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment. Like a pathetic parody of yourself. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 9, 2018 17:35:03 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit. I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment. So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment. Claims to be positive that we may do well this season, then claims (after 1 game) that we are doomed. Couldn’t make it up I said that I hoped we might START the new season with renewed vigour. We have now started the new season, and there has been no sign of any renewed vigour. Yes I suppose it might all suddenly come together, but I spent most of last season hoping for that and thus I am not particularly optimistic. Here are two facts: 1. We cannot score. 2. We cannot defend. In football you can lack one of those two things and scrape by, if you're smart. If you lack them both, as we do, you are up shit creek without a paddle, and that's right where we are. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 9, 2018 17:36:04 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit. I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment. So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment. Do you understand hyperbole undermines you argument to the point that's untenable? I and others got told it was 'hyperbole' to suggest we were relegation fodder this time last year. Ahem. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2018 17:37:30 GMT
Morecambe lost 6-0 to Crewe. Happy for you to advance your theory that we’re worse than them. That is pretty bad, I'll grant you that, but in context I couldn't say, you can be an overall good team and yet have an off day playing decent opposition. That could be what happened to Morecambe, though they were playing Crew so I'll grant you that theory may not hold water. As a better example, Liverpool weren't really shit just because we beat them 6-1. It's how consistently shit we are that is the problem. We are ALWAYS shit and it's been like this for at least 18 months. They stayed in the Football League on goal difference last season. |
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 9, 2018 17:37:47 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2018 17:38:28 GMT
Do you understand hyperbole undermines you argument to the point that's untenable? I and others got told it was 'hyperbole' to suggest we were relegation fodder this time last year. Ahem. So you don’t think it’s hyperbole to suggest we’re the worst team in the league and we’re definitely getting relegated again? |
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 9, 2018 17:42:15 GMT
That is pretty bad, I'll grant you that, but in context I couldn't say, you can be an overall good team and yet have an off day playing decent opposition. That could be what happened to Morecambe, though they were playing Crew so I'll grant you that theory may not hold water. As a better example, Liverpool weren't really shit just because we beat them 6-1. It's how consistently shit we are that is the problem. We are ALWAYS shit and it's been like this for at least 18 months. They stayed in the Football League on goal difference last season. And we crashed out of the Premier League with the worst goal difference in Premier League history. There may well be teams that are similarly as shit as us, but let's be honest and look at thing objectively, it is very difficult to think of any league team worse than us as things stands. We are proper whipping boys, just as we were after the holocaust season. Our one hope was the 'major overhaul' we were told would happen. It hasn't. It's just more of the same. Anything can happen in football of course - Leicester's remarkable turnaround at the end of the season prior to when they won the league being a good example - but we don't have a history of that type of thing happening and in its absence I strongly fear another relegation battle. It will only take a matter of a few weeks of performances like Sunday's and we'll be firmly marooned at the bottom. We'll see how many talk of 'positivity' then. |
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 9, 2018 17:44:14 GMT
I and others got told it was 'hyperbole' to suggest we were relegation fodder this time last year. Ahem. So you don’t think it’s hyperbole to suggest we’re the worst team in the league and we’re definitely getting relegated again? Nothing's 'definite' in football and I've never said we are definitely getting relegated. What I've said is that as things stand it looks highly probable that we will at the very least be dragged into a relegation battle quite quickly,. and I stand by that. I don't think some fans understand just how poor we really are. Pretty much every team in the Championship is better than us at the moment. I cannot think of anyone where I can say "yeah, we should beat them". |
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Post by potter25 on Aug 9, 2018 17:48:37 GMT
Saw the title of this and thought we were in for a young Dutch striker...
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Aug 9, 2018 17:50:27 GMT
They stayed in the Football League on goal difference last season. There may well be teams that are similarly as shit as us, but let's be honest and look at thing objectively, it is very difficult to think of any league team worse than us as things stands. We are proper whipping boys, just as we were after the holocaust season. Our one hope was the 'major overhaul' we were told would happen. It hasn't. It's just more of the same. Anything can happen in football of course - Leicester's remarkable turnaround at the end of the season prior to when they won the league being a good example - but we don't have a history of that type of thing happening and in its absence I strongly fear another relegation battle. It will only take a matter of a few weeks of performances like Sunday's and we'll be firmly marooned at the bottom. We'll see how many talk of 'positivity' then. This fact is completely made up and is not true. The season before last (2016-2017), Hull and Sunderland were relegated with goal differences of -43 and -40. We were relegated with a goal difference of -33. |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 9, 2018 17:51:30 GMT
O.K , so we've had a disappointing 2 years or so and there's frustration and exasperation about that. But this message board is being used as a cessplt of distorted and sick negativity by some , maybe a lot , of people. The Oatcake fanzine has been such a positive force for Stoke fans since its creation in far darker days than these and I think often this messageboard isnt worthy of its name. Yes we have had 2 years probably a bit more of disappointment but strap yourself in because we have not reached rock bottom yet. I think after watching that shower of shit Sunday we can go much lower than the championship. Thats not negativity thats being realistic on what i & a few thousand others witnessed. |
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Post by AlliG on Aug 9, 2018 17:51:30 GMT
They stayed in the Football League on goal difference last season.
There may well be teams that are similarly as shit as us, but let's be honest and look at thing objectively, it is very difficult to think of any league team worse than us as things stands. We are proper whipping boys, just as we were after the holocaust season. Our one hope was the 'major overhaul' we were told would happen. It hasn't. It's just more of the same. Anything can happen in football of course - Leicester's remarkable turnaround at the end of the season prior to when they won the league being a good example - but we don't have a history of that type of thing happening and in its absence I strongly fear another relegation battle. It will only take a matter of a few weeks of performances like Sunday's and we'll be firmly marooned at the bottom. We'll see how many talk of 'positivity' then. So to counter act the comment that your original point was nonsense, you make up some more rubbish? Either that or your mathematical skills are limited to one, two, a lot! We had a goal difference of -33 last season. The worst ever is -69. I would recommend you stop digging! |
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Aug 9, 2018 17:56:07 GMT
They stayed in the Football League on goal difference last season. And we crashed out of the Premier League with the worst goal difference in Premier League history. There may well be teams that are similarly as shit as us, but let's be honest and look at thing objectively, it is very difficult to think of any league team worse than us as things stands. We are proper whipping boys, just as we were after the holocaust season. Our one hope was the 'major overhaul' we were told would happen. It hasn't. It's just more of the same. Anything can happen in football of course - Leicester's remarkable turnaround at the end of the season prior to when they won the league being a good example - but we don't have a history of that type of thing happening and in its absence I strongly fear another relegation battle. It will only take a matter of a few weeks of performances like Sunday's and we'll be firmly marooned at the bottom. We'll see how many talk of 'positivity' then. So you're backing up your hyperbole now with made up facts? Worst goal difference in Premier league history? Really? Think you may need to check your facts on that one mate |
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Post by kristoff on Aug 9, 2018 17:58:25 GMT
And we crashed out of the Premier League with the worst goal difference in Premier League history.
There may well be teams that are similarly as shit as us, but let's be honest and look at thing objectively, it is very difficult to think of any league team worse than us as things stands. We are proper whipping boys, just as we were after the holocaust season. Our one hope was the 'major overhaul' we were told would happen. It hasn't. It's just more of the same. Anything can happen in football of course - Leicester's remarkable turnaround at the end of the season prior to when they won the league being a good example - but we don't have a history of that type of thing happening and in its absence I strongly fear another relegation battle. It will only take a matter of a few weeks of performances like Sunday's and we'll be firmly marooned at the bottom. We'll see how many talk of 'positivity' then. So to counter act the comment that your original point was nonsense, you make up some more rubbish? Either that or your mathematical skills are limited to one, two, a lot! We had a goal difference of -33 last season. The worst ever is -69. I would recommend you stop digging! -69 by that wonderful Derby Team. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 9, 2018 18:03:32 GMT
O.K , so we've had a disappointing 2 years or so and there's frustration and exasperation about that. But this message board is being used as a cessplt of distorted and sick negativity by some , maybe a lot , of people. The Oatcake fanzine has been such a positive force for Stoke fans since its creation in far darker days than these and I think often this messageboard isnt worthy of its name. I’m with you Mr Coates |
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Post by salopian on Aug 9, 2018 18:04:28 GMT
They stayed in the Football League on goal difference last season. And we crashed out of the Premier League with the worst goal difference in Premier League history. There may well be teams that are similarly as shit as us, but let's be honest and look at thing objectively, it is very difficult to think of any league team worse than us as things stands. We are proper whipping boys, just as we were after the holocaust season. Our one hope was the 'major overhaul' we were told would happen. It hasn't. It's just more of the same. Anything can happen in football of course - Leicester's remarkable turnaround at the end of the season prior to when they won the league being a good example - but we don't have a history of that type of thing happening and in its absence I strongly fear another relegation battle. It will only take a matter of a few weeks of performances like Sunday's and we'll be firmly marooned at the bottom. We'll see how many talk of 'positivity' then. Agreed.. And we only need to wait for the injuries to kick in and we will get the usual quote "hindsight is a great thing". It clearly was all lip service as expected from the board and lessons learnt... Load of rubbish. Other then a new boss and barely anything being spent net, we still have issues at the back , ( also no cover), no pace on the wing, and total and utter lack of goals and pace up front. . And then there is the big boys and decision makers... yeah that clearly has improved and we can see the benefit!! … NOT. They might as well buy in Frozen pizza's then takeaways delivered on transfer deadline day we are so run as a dinosaur set up. Such a shame
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 9, 2018 18:07:00 GMT
They stayed in the Football League on goal difference last season. And we crashed out of the Premier League with the worst goal difference in Premier League history. There may well be teams that are similarly as shit as us, but let's be honest and look at thing objectively, it is very difficult to think of any league team worse than us as things stands. We are proper whipping boys, just as we were after the holocaust season. Our one hope was the 'major overhaul' we were told would happen. It hasn't. It's just more of the same. Anything can happen in football of course - Leicester's remarkable turnaround at the end of the season prior to when they won the league being a good example - but we don't have a history of that type of thing happening and in its absence I strongly fear another relegation battle. It will only take a matter of a few weeks of performances like Sunday's and we'll be firmly marooned at the bottom. We'll see how many talk of 'positivity' then. It isn’t very difficult, I’ve literally just named one. That’s why you have a pyramid system, to work these things out. A team nearly relegated from League Two is worse than one relegated from the Premier League. That’s how it works. Bit rich for you to talk about being objective when you spend your whole time shrieking like Kenneth Williams in Carry On Cleo. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 9, 2018 18:16:30 GMT
It's being lied to repeatedly by the club hierarchy that has made most crack I think.
Major overhaul
Process
Lessons learned
All that fucking bollocks
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 9, 2018 18:16:51 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit. I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment. So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment. Don't think this thread is for you mate 😂 |
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