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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 9, 2018 18:19:33 GMT
And we crashed out of the Premier League with the worst goal difference in Premier League history. There may well be teams that are similarly as shit as us, but let's be honest and look at thing objectively, it is very difficult to think of any league team worse than us as things stands. We are proper whipping boys, just as we were after the holocaust season. Our one hope was the 'major overhaul' we were told would happen. It hasn't. It's just more of the same. Anything can happen in football of course - Leicester's remarkable turnaround at the end of the season prior to when they won the league being a good example - but we don't have a history of that type of thing happening and in its absence I strongly fear another relegation battle. It will only take a matter of a few weeks of performances like Sunday's and we'll be firmly marooned at the bottom. We'll see how many talk of 'positivity' then. It isn’t very difficult, I’ve literally just named one. That’s why you have a pyramid system, to work these things out. A team nearly relegated from League Two is worse than one relegated from the Premier League. That’s how it works. Bit rich for you to talk about being objective when you spend your whole time shrieking like Kenneth Williams in Carry On Cleo. 😂 pisser!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 9, 2018 18:20:06 GMT
It's engrained in the psyche mate for all Stoke fans. You sign up for a life time of disappointment supporting Stoke with just the odd flicker of delight thrown in every now and again just to wet your appetite and keep you in there. I've had 54 years of supporting them through thin and thinner but i'm still a happy bunny really and wouldn't have it any other way. Well the odd cup thrown in the mix would be a nice reward for all the sacrifices and generally pissed off feelings & frustrations we all get from time to time following this great old club, but even if thats not to be again in my lifetime, I still wouldn't change it one little bit. Disappointment has been the lot of the Stoke supporter for decades - the difference was the disappointment was wrapped in self deprecation and good humour. 10 years in the Premier league and a number of our supporters have become entitled and arrogant and can only handle the disappointment through bile and abuse. Fact is we've lost the ability to laugh at ourselves and turned into the sort of irritating fanbase we used to (rightly) despise.
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Post by keasie1863 on Aug 9, 2018 18:26:04 GMT
It's engrained in the psyche mate for all Stoke fans. You sign up for a life time of disappointment supporting Stoke with just the odd flicker of delight thrown in every now and again just to wet your appetite and keep you in there. I've had 54 years of supporting them through thin and thinner but i'm still a happy bunny really and wouldn't have it any other way. Well the odd cup thrown in the mix would be a nice reward for all the sacrifices and generally pissed off feelings & frustrations we all get from time to time following this great old club, but even if thats not to be again in my lifetime, I still wouldn't change it one little bit. Well said my friend, I've been supporting Stoke for 42 years mainly through thin and thinner. I look forward to every game no matter what.i would love to take some of these fuckers on here back to the, Alan ball, chic bates Chris kamara, Brian Little period. Could you imagine what it would of been like if this board existed then.people these days are "precious, fragile little things", it fucking winds me up. Case In point my own son of 23,well educated great job, acts like a pre pubescent fucking teenager after every, defeat. After the Leeds game, "we are wank, I'm never going again, sack Rowett etc etc", as much as I love him, he wound me up that much I put the fucking phone down on him and told him I will go on my own in future. Its my club and I will go and enjoy it even if we dropped out of the fucking league!! COYMP
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Post by kristoff on Aug 9, 2018 18:37:45 GMT
It's engrained in the psyche mate for all Stoke fans. You sign up for a life time of disappointment supporting Stoke with just the odd flicker of delight thrown in every now and again just to wet your appetite and keep you in there. I've had 54 years of supporting them through thin and thinner but i'm still a happy bunny really and wouldn't have it any other way. Well the odd cup thrown in the mix would be a nice reward for all the sacrifices and generally pissed off feelings & frustrations we all get from time to time following this great old club, but even if thats not to be again in my lifetime, I still wouldn't change it one little bit. Well said my friend, I've been supporting Stoke for 42 years mainly through thin and thinner. I look forward to every game no matter what.i would love to take some of these fuckers on here back to the, Alan ball, chic bates Chris kamara, Brian Little period. Could you imagine what it would of been like if this board existed then.people these days are "precious, fragile little things", it fucking winds me up. Case In point my own son of 23,well educated great job, acts like a pre pubescent fucking teenager after every, defeat. After the Leeds game, "we are wank, I'm never going again, sack Rowett etc etc", as much as I love him, he wound me up that much I put the fucking phone down on him and told him I will go on my own in future. Its my club and I will go and enjoy it even if we dropped out of the fucking league!! COYMP Oh the first season at the Brit was a stunner. Then Brian little doing god knows what. Kinda warms the heart to hunk back to Macari, Merson, Gudjon and Boskamp.
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Aug 9, 2018 18:49:03 GMT
It's engrained in the psyche mate for all Stoke fans. You sign up for a life time of disappointment supporting Stoke with just the odd flicker of delight thrown in every now and again just to wet your appetite and keep you in there. I've had 54 years of supporting them through thin and thinner but i'm still a happy bunny really and wouldn't have it any other way. Well the odd cup thrown in the mix would be a nice reward for all the sacrifices and generally pissed off feelings & frustrations we all get from time to time following this great old club, but even if thats not to be again in my lifetime, I still wouldn't change it one little bit. Well said my friend, I've been supporting Stoke for 42 years mainly through thin and thinner. I look forward to every game no matter what.i would love to take some of these fuckers on here back to the, Alan ball, chic bates Chris kamara, Brian Little period. Could you imagine what it would of been like if this board existed then.people these days are "precious, fragile little things", it fucking winds me up. Case In point my own son of 23,well educated great job, acts like a pre pubescent fucking teenager after every, defeat. After the Leeds game, "we are wank, I'm never going again, sack Rowett etc etc", as much as I love him, he wound me up that much I put the fucking phone down on him and told him I will go on my own in future. Its my club and I will go and enjoy it even if we dropped out of the fucking league!! COYMP Ive been on the terraces at Exeter pleading with Mick Kennedy to put a cross onto Noel Blakes head to try and salvage us a point in front of less than 2000 people in the stadium. Bury on a cold Tuesday night with less than a 500 of us. Oldham on a cold Wednesday night when your fingers are blue and your voice hoarse from trying to motivate a bunch of untalented players worth less than a million quid between them. The open terraces at Blackpool when it was pissing down all afternoon and you were soaked even before a ball was kicked. Sub 10K crowds at The Vic for a league game and being able to hear the players shouts from the back of The Boothen. Being genuinely scared for my well being at Birmingham that day when they came at us. These are the really painful days you have to go through..... just to be able to say I was there when we beat Notts County in 79, the 2 Mickey Mouse Cup final wins, 5 nil drubbing of Bolton at Wembley, Ending Leeds long unbeaten run at the Vic, Tony Kelly nutmegging Bruce Grobbelaar in the last minute at Liverpool in a league Cup match to take a draw back to The Vic. Todays fan doesn't know real hardship watching SCFC and lucky you I say but give me those memories above all day long over the sterile Premier league of today. Would I swap those memories for the success enjoyed by the Manchester's, Chelseas & Liverpools. Would I fuck as like!
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 9, 2018 18:52:11 GMT
O.K , so we've had a disappointing 2 years or so and there's frustration and exasperation about that. But this message board is being used as a cessplt of distorted and sick negativity by some , maybe a lot , of people. The Oatcake fanzine has been such a positive force for Stoke fans since its creation in far darker days than these and I think often this messageboard isnt worthy of its name. Fan forum message boards are open to everybody and if you feel that this forum is becoming not worthy of the reason for which it was created, then it is up to you to make it worthy of being positive.
We all contribute to this site and the only thing that you can do is to say how you feel, rightly or wrongly. If you want to be positive, then do so. You may turn a few negative heads also but don't get pissed off with other fans if they don't see it as you do.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2018 18:53:26 GMT
We are a really badly run club though when there is no excuse for it not to be.
Ignoring that is way worse than being negative.
And let’s be honest there’s every good reason to be negative.
But let’s ignore the last few years.
It’ll be orate.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Aug 9, 2018 18:58:51 GMT
It's not 'negativity' to point out we're shit, when we are in fact shit. I am quite happy to look for a chink of light in the darkness of the past 18 months or so, the one chink of light we did have was that perhaps, just perhaps, we might start the new season with renewed vigour and looking like we might actually win some games. That didn't go well. So here we are, staring down the barrel of yet another season of humiliating thrashings, except this time we've dropped a division and we STILL can't win, or even play with any conviction, or even play like we're a team. Just like last season, I'm struggling to think of a single team in the entire four divisions who is as shit as we are at the moment. So if anyone has some chinks of light to share, I'm all ears. There's bugger all at the moment. Don't think this thread is for you mate 😂 Haha I think he may be due a self imposed time out after this effort mate. A rayt fucking disaster! :-)
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Aug 9, 2018 19:04:15 GMT
Oh and Garry Brooke missing an open goal from 6 inches!
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Post by 1977delta on Aug 9, 2018 19:06:05 GMT
A lot of people seem to only want to see the negative . We have a brilliant goalkeeper whose top form will return ,we have an exciting young midfielder who was a star in the World Cup , we have a new striker who performs well in the Championship , we have a stronger squad than last year which will be improved now with loan signings . Its a matter of moulding this all together to form a good team , and we seem to have the management team to do that. I think CBUFAWKIPWH is right , and Kristoff. That Alan Ball team with Gary Brooke on the wing who couldn't run past the half way line ,with Whitehurst and Alan Clarke's brother in the middle , and Mick Kennedy in midfield !!! And the Brian Little team with David Oldfield and Bryan Small!!. Our present squad is a world away from that , it just needs to begin to be a TEAM and also gain some self belief and confidence. And grit and determination .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2018 19:11:06 GMT
A lot of people seem to only want to see the negative . We have a brilliant goalkeeper whose top form will return ,we have an exciting young midfielder who was a star in the World Cup , we have a new striker who performs well in the Championship , we have a stronger squad than last year which will be improved now with loan signings . Its a matter of moulding this all together to form a good team , and we seem to have the management team to do that. I think CBUFAWKIPWH is right , and Kristoff. That Alan Ball team with Gary Brooke on the wing who couldn't run past the half way line ,with Whitehurst and Alan Clarke's brother in the middle , and Mick Kennedy in midfield !!! And the Brian Little team with David Oldfield and Bryan Small!!. Our present squad is a world away from that , it just needs to begin to be a TEAM and also gain some self belief and confidence. And grit and determination . Our squad is an unbalanced mess. Your last two sentences says it all. That’s a shit tonne to ask for!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 9, 2018 19:12:33 GMT
We are a really badly run club though when there is no excuse for it not to be. Ignoring that is way worse than being negative. And let’s be honest there’s every good reason to be negative. But let’s ignore the last few years. It’ll be orate. 🙄 No - we are a really well run club who have made some mistakes - which we've paid for big time. There are plenty of examples of how not to run a club - Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bolton, Coventry, Blackpool - we're nowhere near that level of incompetence. Let's face it - the "experts" on here haven't run a Sunday league team let alone anything resembling a professional football club. I'm not saying people aren't entitled to an opinion - it's only a problem when they expect others to take them as seriously as they take themselves.
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 9, 2018 19:14:24 GMT
I enjoy going to the match with my son's
I prefer the championship to the prem
So , I am happy thank you very much
But , that does not mean the club is being well run , when it clearly isn't
It is not a cesspit of malicious unjustified speculation to the say that the club is badly run .It actually is badly run .
The berahino's ,wimmers, imbula's, not to mention scholes and carto ,are laughing at the club and the fans and trousering Millions. It's a sad situation and the fact they are laughing at us behind our backs , while saying the right thing , doesn't help at all .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2018 19:16:05 GMT
We are a really badly run club though when there is no excuse for it not to be. Ignoring that is way worse than being negative. And let’s be honest there’s every good reason to be negative. But let’s ignore the last few years. It’ll be orate. 🙄 No - we are a really well run club who have made some mistakes - which we've paid for big time. There are plenty of examples of how not to run a club - Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bolton, Coventry, Blackpool - we're nowhere near that level of incompetence. Let's face it - the "experts" on here haven't run a Sunday league team let alone anything resembling a professional football club. I'm not saying people aren't entitled to an opinion - it's only a problem when they expect others to take them as seriously as they take themselves. We’ve been left behind and it was obvious it was happening. Massive changes were needed and they haven’t happened. The arrogance wreaks from the top. Now they haven’t and yet we saw this coming a good 18 months before the fuss was realised.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 9, 2018 19:17:23 GMT
A lot of people seem to only want to see the negative . We have a brilliant goalkeeper whose top form will return ,we have an exciting young midfielder who was a star in the World Cup , we have a new striker who performs well in the Championship , we have a stronger squad than last year which will be improved now with loan signings . Its a matter of moulding this all together to form a good team , and we seem to have the management team to do that. I think CBUFAWKIPWH is right , and Kristoff. That Alan Ball team with Gary Brooke on the wing who couldn't run past the half way line ,with Whitehurst and Alan Clarke's brother in the middle , and Mick Kennedy in midfield !!! And the Brian Little team with David Oldfield and Bryan Small!!. Our present squad is a world away from that , it just needs to begin to be a TEAM and also gain some self belief and confidence. And grit and determination . Spot on mate. We're all obviously disappointed about being relegated but we move on. Some on here are either unable to do so,have nothing else going on in their life ,or haven't followed Stoke for very long.
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Post by entropy92 on Aug 9, 2018 19:20:20 GMT
We are a really badly run club though when there is no excuse for it not to be. Ignoring that is way worse than being negative. And let’s be honest there’s every good reason to be negative. But let’s ignore the last few years. It’ll be orate. 🙄 God you bore the shit out of me, non stop slagging the club off, everything you comment on is seen by you from the outside as far as im aware unless you have in depth knowledge into what goes on and your just not telling us. No club runs smoothly all the time because there are just way to many people involved in it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2018 19:22:07 GMT
We are a really badly run club though when there is no excuse for it not to be. Ignoring that is way worse than being negative. And let’s be honest there’s every good reason to be negative. But let’s ignore the last few years. It’ll be orate. 🙄 God you bore the shit out of me, non stop slagging the club off, everything you comment on is seen by you from the outside as far as im aware unless you have in depth knowledge into what goes on and your just not telling us. No club runs smoothly all the time because there are just way to many people involved in it. Ahh so that’s ok then. Let’s just accept it. What kind of attitude is that? I get told bits and bobs but most is just observation because it’s so bastard obvious.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 9, 2018 19:22:21 GMT
No - we are a really well run club who have made some mistakes - which we've paid for big time. There are plenty of examples of how not to run a club - Sunderland, Portsmouth, Bolton, Coventry, Blackpool - we're nowhere near that level of incompetence. Let's face it - the "experts" on here haven't run a Sunday league team let alone anything resembling a professional football club. I'm not saying people aren't entitled to an opinion - it's only a problem when they expect others to take them as seriously as they take themselves. We’ve been left behind and it was obvious it was happening. Massive changes were needed and they haven’t happened. The arrogance wreaks from the top. Now they haven’t and yet we saw this coming a good 18 months before the fuss was realised. Yes.. it's quite scary how quickly it's all unravelled.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 9, 2018 19:25:23 GMT
Cesspit...sounds like an area of The 365 where the Ultra Hools sit, waiting for the day that pyro is made legal & taking away fans banners such becomes the norm
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Post by loveducknoatcakes on Aug 9, 2018 19:30:09 GMT
Whether you are positive or negative all the vibes on this board are not good, supporters are split and arguing between each other where we we should be making the brit rock we are not.Some people say everybody can have their own opinions, but some comments are just pathetic with no reason. As you say you dont have to read it but i will carry on in hope of unity.
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Post by entropy92 on Aug 9, 2018 19:32:53 GMT
God you bore the shit out of me, non stop slagging the club off, everything you comment on is seen by you from the outside as far as im aware unless you have in depth knowledge into what goes on and your just not telling us. No club runs smoothly all the time because there are just way to many people involved in it. Ahh so that’s ok then. Let’s just accept it. What kind of attitude is that? I get told bits and bobs but most is just observation because it’s so bastard obvious. Bit of a difference between "lets just accept it" and what you do which is slag everything off constantly which in turn negs out other people who for some reason believe your "guess work" on how it goes down and then it creates a bigger toxic atmosphere on this board.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 9, 2018 19:37:09 GMT
Cess Fibreglass' brother.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 19:41:15 GMT
Coates should HAVE just been honest and said he wanted us to drop a league because the premiership was too expensive for him.
No one would HAVE complained. Instead he fills us full of shit on how we have the best squad ever and now we are pushing for a swift return. If that's the crap he filled Rowett with then I pity him.
As the saying goes you conner con a conner so just come clean honesty is always the best policy.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 9, 2018 19:42:07 GMT
We’ve been left behind and it was obvious it was happening. Massive changes were needed and they haven’t happened. The arrogance wreaks from the top. Now they haven’t and yet we saw this coming a good 18 months before the fuss was realised. Yes.. it's quite scary how quickly it's all unravelled. Don’t take long does it. 18 months ago and Wolves or Fulham would have played us looking to achieve a bit of a giant killing. As at this evening their squads are light years ahead of ours. Blink and you miss it and boy did this club blink.
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Post by stokemark on Aug 9, 2018 19:42:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 19:43:00 GMT
Coates should HAVE just been honest and said he wanted us to drop a league because the premiership was too expensive for him. No one would HAVE complained. Instead he fills us full of shit on how we have the best squad ever and now we are pushing for a swift return. If that's the crap he filled Rowett with then I pity him. As the saying goes you conner con a conner so just come clean honesty is always the best policy. “No one would have complained” Good one.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 9, 2018 19:43:50 GMT
Ahh so that’s ok then. Let’s just accept it. What kind of attitude is that? I get told bits and bobs but most is just observation because it’s so bastard obvious. Bit of a difference between "lets just accept it" and what you do which is slag everything off constantly which in turn negs out other people who for some reason believe your "guess work" on how it goes down and then it creates a bigger toxic atmosphere on this board. We need that atmosphere in the ground though. Or we did. Last season was a farce fans wise in the ground. Hughes’ name was still being sung in November. It was horrible.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 9, 2018 19:49:51 GMT
Did he have a brother Senna?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 9, 2018 19:52:45 GMT
It's engrained in the psyche mate for all Stoke fans. You sign up for a life time of disappointment supporting Stoke with just the odd flicker of delight thrown in every now and again just to wet your appetite and keep you in there. I've had 54 years of supporting them through thin and thinner but i'm still a happy bunny really and wouldn't have it any other way. Well the odd cup thrown in the mix would be a nice reward for all the sacrifices and generally pissed off feelings & frustrations we all get from time to time following this great old club, but even if thats not to be again in my lifetime, I still wouldn't change it one little bit. We must of got on board H.M.S.Stoke City at the same time,been through many storms and many years in the doldrums but what a lot of younger fans don`t realize is that these last ten years have been pretty much plain sailing.more like being on a cruise compared to some of the more turbulent years , Same here I too have been on the ups, downs and plummets of the Stoke City rollercoaster for the last 50 something years. The last 10 years have been ok but nothing like the early to mid 70s when we almost pulled off the impossible dream where most teams in the top division could compete as there was not a monopoly by the big 6 as there is now. We may get back into the PL and hope we do for the good it does for the city. But there is a massive caveat in that we can never hope to compete with the big boys and therefore it would be "rinse and repeat" of the last ten years. However with a bit more investment with PL money we could hope for another cup run and European tour but that would be it.
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Post by colnepotter on Aug 9, 2018 19:56:02 GMT
O.K , so we've had a disappointing 2 years or so and there's frustration and exasperation about that. But this message board is being used as a cessplt of distorted and sick negativity by some , maybe a lot , of people. The Oatcake fanzine has been such a positive force for Stoke fans since its creation in far darker days than these and I think often this messageboard isnt worthy of its name. Well said. It is highly corrosive. I think perhaps - for the greater good - it is time to consider closing it down. So very sad. I remember buying the very first edition of the magazine and it was such a force for good. It was a major factor in the upswing in interest in the club when we were getting sub 10,000 crowds. How times change. We always had a small number of miserable buggers but they were easily marginalised. Unfortunately social media gives these twats a status they never had before. I have more sympathy for the younger generation who just follow popular culture and know no better. Remember the old song boys......”we’ll support you ever more”. Can’t imagine those sentiments nowadays.
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