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Post by dwr17477 on Aug 4, 2018 21:26:26 GMT
Not sure why there's all this uproar? It is crap, it is of lower quality and that is not only demonstratable fact, it is literally the point of having a tiered league. There are tinpot clubs in this division. That's not to say there aren't in the Premier League either, but Reading, Wigan, Hull, Norwich? Fuck that for a laugh. I'm sure when the reality of half-empty stadiums and fuck all media coverage kicks in people will reverse this "Oh it's so jolly exciting" mentality. It's not exciting, everyone's the same level of wank. Yes, there are plenty of proper clubs here too (Derby, Forest, Wednesday, Preston, Leeds) who may arguably be bigger than us but they don't exactly set the pulse racing. People seem to forget that the point of football is to be the best you can be. The actual literal objective of the Championship is to get promoted out of it. If it's so good in the second tier, why bother trying to win promotion? Why not just aim for survival? In which case what's the point of it all? Exactly.
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Post by cjay on Aug 4, 2018 21:29:46 GMT
Start of Prem season outside of 3 or 4 teams nobody else can think "we may win the title".
Then add 2 or 3 more to that who think "we may get into Europe".
After that its just about hoping to finish mid table, which means very little.
In this league probably 3/4s of it think they have a chance at winning promotion.
We have been lower league most of my life, once you get over not being part of the obsession with the Premier League you actually realise its not that bad.
Every season your optimistic this may be your year.
Theres hope, something exciting to hope for.
Beats hoping you may finish 10th surely?
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 4, 2018 21:44:29 GMT
Start of Prem season outside of 3 or 4 teams nobody else can think "we may win the title". Then add 2 or 3 more to that who think "we may get into Europe". After that its just about hoping to finish mid table, which means very little. In this league probably 3/4s of it think they have a chance at winning promotion. We have been lower league most of my life, once you get over not being part of the obsession with the Premier League you actually realise its not that bad. Every season your optimistic this may be your year. Theres hope, something exciting to hope for. Beats hoping you may finish 10th surely? Hoping to finish tenth hasn't gone away...that will be viewed as a big achievement this season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 23:02:46 GMT
Let's face it - no one outside of the supporters of,football league clubs gives a fuck We are anonymous again Why does that matter to you? I couldn’t give a fuck if we’re anonymous, I prefer it that way. I have never cared what other teams think or if they think at all for that matter. Only what Stoke fans think of the club should matter. Whether you support SCFC or not, being anonymous is a very very highly desirable commodity to have in your Arsenal.
I would like us to be so anonymous that somehow the ground went anonymous as well. Radio Stoke becoming anonymous wouldn't actually be too bad of a thing. What about an anonymous MOTD? I like anonymouse.
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Post by skip on Aug 4, 2018 23:37:09 GMT
Why is it?Its no different than when we went up Why would anyone want to have their dinner at Macky D's when they have become accustomed to dining at The Ritz?
It’s a bit of a leap from the Ritz to McD’s. I’d say Premier League to The Championship is something akin to the difference between a three course meal in Cafe Rouge and a cheeky Nando’s.
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 4, 2018 23:52:34 GMT
Not sure why there's all this uproar? It is crap, it is of lower quality and that is not only demonstratable fact, it is literally the point of having a tiered league. There are tinpot clubs in this division. That's not to say there aren't in the Premier League either, but Reading, Wigan, Hull, Norwich? Fuck that for a laugh. I'm sure when the reality of half-empty stadiums and fuck all media coverage kicks in people will reverse this "Oh it's so jolly exciting" mentality. It's not exciting, everyone's the same level of wank. Yes, there are plenty of proper clubs here too (Derby, Forest, Wednesday, Preston, Leeds) who may arguably be bigger than us but they don't exactly set the pulse racing. People seem to forget that the point of football is to be the best you can be. The actual literal objective of the Championship is to get promoted out of it. If it's so good in the second tier, why bother trying to win promotion? Why not just aim for survival? In which case what's the point of it all? Norwich who had 25,000 average in the third division are tin pot? Twattish coments like that make us look deluded and tin pot. BM
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 5, 2018 0:56:05 GMT
Not sure why there's all this uproar? It is crap, it is of lower quality and that is not only demonstratable fact, it is literally the point of having a tiered league. There are tinpot clubs in this division. That's not to say there aren't in the Premier League either, but Reading, Wigan, Hull, Norwich? Fuck that for a laugh. I'm sure when the reality of half-empty stadiums and fuck all media coverage kicks in people will reverse this "Oh it's so jolly exciting" mentality. It's not exciting, everyone's the same level of wank. Yes, there are plenty of proper clubs here too (Derby, Forest, Wednesday, Preston, Leeds) who may arguably be bigger than us but they don't exactly set the pulse racing. People seem to forget that the point of football is to be the best you can be. The actual literal objective of the Championship is to get promoted out of it. If it's so good in the second tier, why bother trying to win promotion? Why not just aim for survival? In which case what's the point of it all? Preston? Behave. Fellow founder member. Instant pass.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 5, 2018 1:01:01 GMT
Not sure why there's all this uproar? It is crap, it is of lower quality and that is not only demonstratable fact, it is literally the point of having a tiered league. There are tinpot clubs in this division. That's not to say there aren't in the Premier League either, but Reading, Wigan, Hull, Norwich? Fuck that for a laugh. I'm sure when the reality of half-empty stadiums and fuck all media coverage kicks in people will reverse this "Oh it's so jolly exciting" mentality. It's not exciting, everyone's the same level of wank. Yes, there are plenty of proper clubs here too (Derby, Forest, Wednesday, Preston, Leeds) who may arguably be bigger than us but they don't exactly set the pulse racing. People seem to forget that the point of football is to be the best you can be. The actual literal objective of the Championship is to get promoted out of it. If it's so good in the second tier, why bother trying to win promotion? Why not just aim for survival? In which case what's the point of it all? Norwich who had 25,000 average in the third division are tin pot? Twattish coments like that make us look deluded and tin pot. BM Norwich the only club in a billion mile radius who have the most family friendly, boring, plastic-clapper wankness in all of football? You're damn right they're a shit club, they're the most boring pile of sanitised saccharine wank in all of football.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 5, 2018 2:25:45 GMT
I have to get this off my chest. just being in this league is grim. last night's match was unwatchable. we have some horrible trip to Leeds a horrible place to visit followed by the mighty bees who will probably give us a lesson next Saturday. I hate everything about this league, it's utterly depressing and is @@@@ing me off. It's full of tin pot clubs with tin pot fans all who will be looking to get one over on us. and the CEO remains..... Unfortunately we have another 10k fans with your attitude. It disgusts me, if I'm being honest. I would rather sit next to an empty seat,than sit next to someone who thinks that it's our god given right to remain in the premier league. To wish for Coates to no longer be at the helm is incredibly disrespectful, after he's given us 10 years of football in the world's best league, frozen season ticket prices, provided free away transport and put us on the map. You then talk about the tin pot clubs, such as Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds,Derby etc.. If relegation removes plastic fans from my beloved club, I'm glad we're down. CTID.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 5, 2018 3:20:44 GMT
What a strange post??? Just looking forward to re-visiting some old rivals against the like of Leeds, Sheffield Utd/Wednesday, Forest, Derby, Brummies, PNE, Bristol City and more. Or would you rather it was Brighton, Watford, Bournemouth, Southampton, Huddersfield et al? Why strange? Does your memory fail you? Leeds for many years were our biggest rivals. They were cunts back then, and are cunts now. Leeds are the biggest club in Yorkshire. The fact that they have been a bunch of bastards over the years doesn’t alter that. Chances are a few of our new fans may be in for a surprise tomorrow. To call them tin pot because they have been ran as a shambles is ridiculous. They can draw 40k crowds ffs. Were we tin pot in the 3rd division or when the roof blew off the Butler? Show some respect for those that stand by their club through thick & thin.
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Post by chinesedave on Aug 5, 2018 4:46:49 GMT
I have to get this off my chest. just being in this league is grim. last night's match was unwatchable. we have some horrible trip to Leeds a horrible place to visit followed by the mighty bees who will probably give us a lesson next Saturday. I hate everything about this league, it's utterly depressing and is @@@@ing me off. It's full of tin pot clubs with tin pot fans all who will be looking to get one over on us. and the CEO remains..... Apply for a Man City/Utd season ticket then Laughing Boy...🤑🤑🤑
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 5, 2018 6:34:19 GMT
I think being back in the Championship has made me realise what a different beast the premier league is. The news coverage and attention it gets when you're not there is overbearing at times. The Championship is feeding off the scraps and if you don't follow it closely you'll miss it.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 5, 2018 6:48:52 GMT
I think being back in the Championship has made me realise what a different beast the premier league is. The news coverage and attention it gets when you're not there is overbearing at times. The Championship is feeding off the scraps and if you don't follow it closely you'll miss it. The attention and media coverage is all about the big 6, always was and always will be.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 5, 2018 6:51:49 GMT
I think being back in the Championship has made me realise what a different beast the premier league is. The news coverage and attention it gets when you're not there is overbearing at times. The Championship is feeding off the scraps and if you don't follow it closely you'll miss it. The attention and media coverage is all about the big 6, always was and always will be. The main focus was but we got a lot of stories still, snippets here and there. We also got talked about 12 times a year when we were playing them.
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Post by doitforfrank on Aug 5, 2018 6:54:09 GMT
I have to get this off my chest. just being in this league is grim. last night's match was unwatchable. we have some horrible trip to Leeds a horrible place to visit followed by the mighty bees who will probably give us a lesson next Saturday. I hate everything about this league, it's utterly depressing and is @@@@ing me off. It's full of tin pot clubs with tin pot fans all who will be looking to get one over on us. and the CEO remains..... Unfortunately we have another 10k fans with your attitude. It disgusts me, if I'm being honest. I would rather sit next to an empty seat,than sit next to someone who thinks that it's our god given right to remain in the premier league. To wish for Coates to no longer be at the helm is incredibly disrespectful, after he's given us 10 years of football in the world's best league, frozen season ticket prices, provided free away transport and put us on the map. You then talk about the tin pot clubs, such as Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds,Derby etc.. If relegation removes plastic fans from my beloved club, I'm glad we're down. CTID. Does it not disgust you also that after 10 years of being in the Premier League, and for the last eight or nine being a safe and secure Premier League club, we have let the whole thing slip back to Championship level? There is no god given right to play in any league, go and ask Chesterfield, but with our resources and fan base relegation should never have been on the agenda, we should have been looking towards Europe like Burnley did. The OP doesn't ask for Coates to step down, he wants the CEO to be removed who is Tony Scholes. As the man with the day to day running of the club as his remit, he should stand responsible for the disaster that was last season just as much as Hughes and Lambert. Went it was all going wrong, he had the power to step in and stop the rotten transfers, if he didn't then his CEO role differs from every other organisation that I am aware of. We are now back off the map, literally nobody in the higher echelons of the game or media gives an utter shit about Stoke anymore. I'd suggest the OP isn't a plastic fan, just a fan who is angry and frustrated about what has gone on and who after all has possibly dedicated his life to supporting our club, while Scholes, Cartwright, Hughes, Lambert and (unfortunately) Coates have allowed our golden hour to slip away into Championship mediocrity
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 5, 2018 6:58:13 GMT
What a strange post??? Just looking forward to re-visiting some old rivals against the like of Leeds, Sheffield Utd/Wednesday, Forest, Derby, Brummies, PNE, Bristol City and more. Or would you rather it was Brighton, Watford, Bournemouth, Southampton, Huddersfield et al? Why strange? Does your memory fail you? Leeds for many years were our biggest rivals. They were cunts back then, and are cunts now. No my memory recalls us giving them several drubbings over the years and the famous 3-2 victory at the Vic in Feb 74 which ended their unbeaten run of 29 games. We were 2 nil down but turned it round to win the game. Yes they were a hard playing team for sure with the likes of Hunter, Bremner, Lorimer, Charlton. But cunts........not in my book.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 5, 2018 7:06:48 GMT
Unfortunately we have another 10k fans with your attitude. It disgusts me, if I'm being honest. I would rather sit next to an empty seat,than sit next to someone who thinks that it's our god given right to remain in the premier league. To wish for Coates to no longer be at the helm is incredibly disrespectful, after he's given us 10 years of football in the world's best league, frozen season ticket prices, provided free away transport and put us on the map. You then talk about the tin pot clubs, such as Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds,Derby etc.. If relegation removes plastic fans from my beloved club, I'm glad we're down. CTID. Does it not disgust you also that after 10 years of being in the Premier League, and for the last eight or nine being a safe and secure Premier League club, we have let the whole thing slip back to Championship level? There is no god given right to play in any league, go and ask Chesterfield, but with our resources and fan base relegation should never have been on the agenda, we should have been looking towards Europe like Burnley did. The OP doesn't ask for Coates to step down, he wants the CEO to be removed who is Tony Scholes. As the man with the day to day running of the club as his remit, he should stand responsible for the disaster that was last season just as much as Hughes and Lambert. Went it was all going wrong, he had the power to step in and stop the rotten transfers, if he didn't then his CEO role differs from every other organisation that I am aware of. We are now back off the map, literally nobody in the higher echelons of the game or media gives an utter shit about Stoke anymore. I'd suggest the OP isn't a plastic fan, just a fan who is angry and frustrated about what has gone on and who after all has possibly dedicated his life to supporting our club, while Scholes, Cartwright, Hughes, Lambert and (unfortunately) Coates have allowed our golden hour to slip away into Championship mediocrity The Championship is littered with far bigger clubs than Stoke, there's even a couple of European cup winners and finalists there (Champions league to younger supporters). A few league champions as well (Premier league winners to younger fans). There are many clubs in this league with greater fan bases than us.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 5, 2018 7:24:20 GMT
Norwich who had 25,000 average in the third division are tin pot? Twattish coments like that make us look deluded and tin pot. BM Norwich the only club in a billion mile radius who have the most family friendly, boring, plastic-clapper wankness in all of football? You're damn right they're a shit club, they're the most boring pile of sanitised saccharine wank in all of football. Are you saying it’s better to have a fleet of knuckle dragging dickheads embarrassing the club?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 5, 2018 7:29:44 GMT
Norwich the only club in a billion mile radius who have the most family friendly, boring, plastic-clapper wankness in all of football? You're damn right they're a shit club, they're the most boring pile of sanitised saccharine wank in all of football. Are you saying it’s better to have a fleet of knuckle dragging dickheads embarrassing the club? I see his point Toxic, I don't think he's saying that. They are the kind of club who give a polite round of applause when they score a goal! But there are lots of great traditional clubs in this league, along with ourselves. We are of course founder members and 14th I think in the all time list for top flight seasons, so we are historically a top flight club, and there are several more clubs like that in the league. Norwich aren't one of them.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 5, 2018 7:31:12 GMT
Does it not disgust you also that after 10 years of being in the Premier League, and for the last eight or nine being a safe and secure Premier League club, we have let the whole thing slip back to Championship level? There is no god given right to play in any league, go and ask Chesterfield, but with our resources and fan base relegation should never have been on the agenda, we should have been looking towards Europe like Burnley did. The OP doesn't ask for Coates to step down, he wants the CEO to be removed who is Tony Scholes. As the man with the day to day running of the club as his remit, he should stand responsible for the disaster that was last season just as much as Hughes and Lambert. Went it was all going wrong, he had the power to step in and stop the rotten transfers, if he didn't then his CEO role differs from every other organisation that I am aware of. We are now back off the map, literally nobody in the higher echelons of the game or media gives an utter shit about Stoke anymore. I'd suggest the OP isn't a plastic fan, just a fan who is angry and frustrated about what has gone on and who after all has possibly dedicated his life to supporting our club, while Scholes, Cartwright, Hughes, Lambert and (unfortunately) Coates have allowed our golden hour to slip away into Championship mediocrity The Championship is littered with far bigger clubs than Stoke, there's even a couple of European cup winners and finalists there (Champions league to younger supporters). A few league champions as well (Premier league winners to younger fans). There are many clubs in this league with greater fan bases than us. Actually stoke are right near the top in terms of support and years in the top flight. Don't beat down your own club. Or maybe just go and support one of those other clubs you fancy
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 5, 2018 7:36:51 GMT
Are you saying it’s better to have a fleet of knuckle dragging dickheads embarrassing the club? I see his point Toxic, I don't think he's saying that. They are the kind of club who give a polite round of applause when they score a goal! But there are lots of great traditional clubs in this league, along with ourselves. We are of course founder members and 14th I think in the all time list for top flight seasons, so we are historically a top flight club, and there are several more clubs like that in the league. Norwich aren't one of them. They’re a decent sized club in this league, like us. I don’t really want neutral zones or singing areas at grounds, but equally I don’t want to get my head kicked in just for supporting a different football team to someone else.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 5, 2018 7:52:56 GMT
The worst thing I ever saw at a football game was at Carrow Road. In the game where they scored after 8 seconds, I was walking around to the home end to meet a mate and saw a fella coming out of the home end in a fucking Man Utd top.
That's always summed up Norwich to me.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 5, 2018 7:56:02 GMT
Don't care how good or bad the opposition, just want to see Stoke win, hopefully got more chance of that in the Championship. The PL had become a bore , especially the last two years, just hoping we can put in decent performances.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 5, 2018 7:57:55 GMT
Could be worse.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 5, 2018 8:03:47 GMT
The Championship is littered with far bigger clubs than Stoke, there's even a couple of European cup winners and finalists there (Champions league to younger supporters). A few league champions as well (Premier league winners to younger fans). There are many clubs in this league with greater fan bases than us. Actually stoke are right near the top in terms of support and years in the top flight. Don't beat down your own club. Or maybe just go and support one of those other clubs you fancy Why would I want to support someone else?
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Post by doitforfrank on Aug 5, 2018 8:07:13 GMT
Does it not disgust you also that after 10 years of being in the Premier League, and for the last eight or nine being a safe and secure Premier League club, we have let the whole thing slip back to Championship level? There is no god given right to play in any league, go and ask Chesterfield, but with our resources and fan base relegation should never have been on the agenda, we should have been looking towards Europe like Burnley did. The OP doesn't ask for Coates to step down, he wants the CEO to be removed who is Tony Scholes. As the man with the day to day running of the club as his remit, he should stand responsible for the disaster that was last season just as much as Hughes and Lambert. Went it was all going wrong, he had the power to step in and stop the rotten transfers, if he didn't then his CEO role differs from every other organisation that I am aware of. We are now back off the map, literally nobody in the higher echelons of the game or media gives an utter shit about Stoke anymore. I'd suggest the OP isn't a plastic fan, just a fan who is angry and frustrated about what has gone on and who after all has possibly dedicated his life to supporting our club, while Scholes, Cartwright, Hughes, Lambert and (unfortunately) Coates have allowed our golden hour to slip away into Championship mediocrity The Championship is littered with far bigger clubs than Stoke, there's even a couple of European cup winners and finalists there (Champions league to younger supporters). A few league champions as well (Premier league winners to younger fans). There are many clubs in this league with greater fan bases than us. Yes there is. But all those clubs have got there through bad financial management, which then leads to a downturn on the pitch. We've had a huge decline on the pitch due to bad football management. Whether that is down to the owners who despite their huge wealth no longer want to bank roll the club (which is their right) to keep us at the top table or the fault of the football management staff, CEO, Technical Director (???) or succession of managers who knows? Either way Stoke City and the way it WAS run should never have been relegated, and most people in the game would agree with that. However something changed, and it wasn't just Mark Hughes, despite what all the apologists are saying.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 5, 2018 8:40:02 GMT
People seem to have taken issue with my use of the term tin pot. Not sure why.
Yes I would prefer to watch us play Arsenal Utd and Liverpool rather than Brentford or Ipswich. They are tinpot provincial clubs and let's be honest no one outside of stoke will even look up the result.
The whole point of my post was that it's not me how horrible this league is and how poor the football is. Unless we go straight up this is what we are stuck with.
I liked being able to wind up Arsenal fans at work and people actually take an interest in stoke, fantasy football and everything that goes with it.
Now we are just one of a big group of clubs slugging it out in the champ.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 5, 2018 8:44:11 GMT
People seem to have taken issue with my use of the term tin pot. Not sure why. Yes I would prefer to watch us play Arsenal Utd and Liverpool rather than Brentford or Ipswich. They are tinpot provincial clubs and let's be honest no one outside of stoke will even look up the result. The whole point of my post was that it's not me how horrible this league is and how poor the football is. Unless we go straight up this is what we are stuck with. I liked being able to wind up Arsenal fans at work and people actually take an interest in stoke, fantasy football and everything that goes with it. Now we are just one of a big group of clubs slugging it out in the champ. Brentford aren't a 'provincial' club. Neither are 'tinpot' clubs any more than we are. Ipswich in particular have won more than we ever will. There are exciting, incident packed games at any level of football.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 5, 2018 9:01:57 GMT
One of your better cut & paste jobs RogerXx That is shocking...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 5, 2018 9:02:41 GMT
People seem to have taken issue with my use of the term tin pot. Not sure why. Yes I would prefer to watch us play Arsenal Utd and Liverpool rather than Brentford or Ipswich. They are tinpot provincial clubs and let's be honest no one outside of stoke will even look up the result. The whole point of my post was that it's not me how horrible this league is and how poor the football is. Unless we go straight up this is what we are stuck with. I liked being able to wind up Arsenal fans at work and people actually take an interest in stoke, fantasy football and everything that goes with it. Now we are just one of a big group of clubs slugging it out in the champ. I'm still really looking forward to the season myself, different clubs, different challenges and we will win a fair few games. Going to games last season felt like my Mother making me go to Church when I was playing on on my Spectrum 48k when I was 11. I couldn't have faced another season of that shit. It happened, that's life, we just have to deal with it and enjoy it. Is playing Brentford next week really that different to watching us play Bournemouth anyway really?
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