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Post by Mendicant on Jun 26, 2018 20:00:25 GMT
What evidence are you basing that on? None, read my original post smart arse.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 26, 2018 22:10:28 GMT
What evidence are you basing that on? None, read my original post smart arse. I did. And refer you to my previous question.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jun 26, 2018 22:13:06 GMT
None, read my original post smart arse. I did. And refer you to my previous question. To be fair he did say he has no way of proving it in that first post, so it's unlikely he's suddenly found evidence. I think it sounds like a load of old conspiracy theory nonsense personally.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 26, 2018 22:19:08 GMT
I did. And refer you to my previous question. To be fair he did say he has no way of proving it in that first post, so it's unlikely he's suddenly found evidence. I think it sounds like a load of old conspiracy theory nonsense personally. Yeah true. Sorry mendicant. But in 20 years when I reflect on the last decade I will consider some of the mardarsery of some of our fans to be verging on paranoia. Rational criticism becomes part of an anti Stoke 'agenda '.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 22:39:11 GMT
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Post by Mendicant on Jun 27, 2018 11:32:48 GMT
None, read my original post smart arse. I did. And refer you to my previous question. It's a stupid question in that case.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 27, 2018 11:37:22 GMT
I did. And refer you to my previous question. It's a stupid question in that case. Its a stupid theory too.
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Post by Mendicant on Jun 27, 2018 11:57:28 GMT
It's a stupid question in that case. Its a stupid theory too. Indeed it's only a theory but how is it stupid?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 27, 2018 12:13:05 GMT
Indeed it's only a theory but how is it stupid? Because it's foil-hat conspiracy theory guff based on nothing? Why would they have an agenda against it? He was an outside bet for a place anyway, other players from unfashionable clubs got in, and a bit of shirt tugging and an unfortunate incident with a broken leg has never been enough to stop someone being capped in the past. If Tony Adams can have a long England career, and Gazza can still be picked after the allegations against him, and any of the other numerous Jack the Lads and bad boys who've been picked, why would they make an issue of picking Shawcross?
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Post by Mendicant on Jun 27, 2018 12:18:32 GMT
To be fair he did say he has no way of proving it in that first post, so it's unlikely he's suddenly found evidence. I think it sounds like a load of old conspiracy theory nonsense personally. Yeah true. Sorry mendicant. But in 20 years when I reflect on the last decade I will consider some of the mardarsery of some of our fans to be verging on paranoia. Rational criticism becomes part of an anti Stoke 'agenda '. Fair enough Joe but I think a bit of the paranoia has some basis occasionally. A couple of years ago when Stoke played a pre-season game in Singapore, Peter Coates told a gathering of Stoke fans he suspected Shawcross had been black-balled in the FA because of his image in the media as a dirty player. I wasn't there myself but a couple of friends were. I can't say there was an anti-Stoke bias as such, but I suspect there was an agenda of which Shawcross got on the wrong side. For the England manager to be a yes man, he'd have to go along with this kind of thing.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 27, 2018 12:27:39 GMT
Yeah true. Sorry mendicant. But in 20 years when I reflect on the last decade I will consider some of the mardarsery of some of our fans to be verging on paranoia. Rational criticism becomes part of an anti Stoke 'agenda '. Fair enough Joe but I think a bit of the paranoia has some basis occasionally. A couple of years ago when Stoke played a pre-season game in Singapore, Peter Coates told a gathering of Stoke fans he suspected Shawcross had been black-balled in the FA because of his image in the media as a dirty player. I wasn't there myself but a couple of friends were. I can't say there was an anti-Stoke bias as such, but I suspect there was an agenda of which Shawcross got on the wrong side. For the England manager to be a yes man, he'd have to go along with this kind of thing. I was at the Singapore meeting and all Coates said is Wenger damaged him...which is entirely rational. In the early prem years we could have played really shit but if a journalist said we had some would blow a fuse and go on about agendas. I saw plenty of positive press about us at that time but nobody else did.
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Post by Mendicant on Jun 27, 2018 21:48:18 GMT
Indeed it's only a theory but how is it stupid? Because it's foil-hat conspiracy theory guff based on nothing? Why would they have an agenda against it? He was an outside bet for a place anyway, other players from unfashionable clubs got in, and a bit of shirt tugging and an unfortunate incident with a broken leg has never been enough to stop someone being capped in the past. If Tony Adams can have a long England career, and Gazza can still be picked after the allegations against him, and any of the other numerous Jack the Lads and bad boys who've been picked, why would they make an issue of picking Shawcross? Only one cap, as a late substitute, for a player as consistent as Shawcross pre-injury, in a position where England were thin... and you call that tin foil hat conspiracy theory guff. Also Roy Hodgson stayed away from our home games for a long time. Even allowing for Stoke bias, it was odd don't you think? He was never given a real chance and I suspect it was to do with sponsorship. Gazza and Adams in their prime were too good to drop from any team. Alex Rodriguez, formerly of the New York Yankees, said that to understand how professional sport works "follow the money and if you are still having problems, just follow the money".
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 28, 2018 6:50:54 GMT
Because it's foil-hat conspiracy theory guff based on nothing? Why would they have an agenda against it? He was an outside bet for a place anyway, other players from unfashionable clubs got in, and a bit of shirt tugging and an unfortunate incident with a broken leg has never been enough to stop someone being capped in the past. If Tony Adams can have a long England career, and Gazza can still be picked after the allegations against him, and any of the other numerous Jack the Lads and bad boys who've been picked, why would they make an issue of picking Shawcross? Only one cap, as a late substitute, for a player as consistent as Shawcross pre-injury, in a position where England were thin... and you call that tin foil hat conspiracy theory guff. Also Roy Hodgson stayed away from our home games for a long time. Even allowing for Stoke bias, it was odd don't you think? He was never given a real chance and I suspect it was to do with sponsorship. Gazza and Adams in their prime were too good to drop from any team. Alex Rodriguez, formerly of the New York Yankees, said that to understand how professional sport works "follow the money and if you are still having problems, just follow the money". There are dozens of examples through English football history of talented players at unfashionable clubs being overlooked. The manager picks the team and didn't rate him, it's been the case for England managers with certain players for decades. Why does that have to be a conspiracy? Why pick him at all, even for one cap, if that was the case? It's not like there was a media campaign or pressure from elsewhere to get him in. Or were they in on it too? What sponsorship? Who was going to pull out if Shawcross played for England? Any sponsor who did that would be made a complete laughing stock.
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Post by loyalstripey on Jul 3, 2018 21:40:05 GMT
I'll tell you what.....
I've never really taken to any England Manager since the Bobby Robson era, but Gareth Southgate has impressed me in so many ways.
Oozing in quality in his interviews, level-headed, intelligent, articulate, caring and inspirational.... and a whole-lot of genuine passion to-boot!!
Well done that man, well done!
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Post by generationex on Jul 3, 2018 21:43:58 GMT
He’s crap but lucky.
Napoleon had a very positive view of this type of general, and I’m with him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 22:22:43 GMT
The Dier sub was where the second-half rot set in.
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Post by george2again on Jul 3, 2018 22:26:33 GMT
Not a fan at all as you will see by my posts. He just looks like he sticking to something that doesn't suit the players we have and won't change for anyone. I would respect him more if he left out all the non performers and had some balls. He won't.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 3, 2018 22:33:24 GMT
That’s Sir Gareth Southgate.
IT’S COMING HOME!
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 3, 2018 22:40:45 GMT
The Dier sub was where the second-half rot set in. Planning for penalties- good foresight. Top man is Gareth - he's instilled a real team spirit instead of a bunch of individuals. We've got a good group of lads. Keep up the good work G Man!
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Post by george2again on Jul 3, 2018 22:50:23 GMT
The Dier sub was where the second-half rot set in. Planning for penalties- good foresight. Top man is Gareth - he's instilled a real team spirit instead of a bunch of individuals. We've got a good group of lads. Keep up the good work G Man! The spirit when we just fell apart when the drug dealers scored? They went to pieces really didn't they? Those players do not look comfortable playing the way Mr Southgate makes them play to me.
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Post by andystokey on Jul 3, 2018 22:52:04 GMT
I think a few people need to take a look at our abject failure since around the time Southgate was actually playing. That's how long we've been rotten.
Look at the talent we wasted in the intervening 20 odd years under a variety of highly paid failures. Scandal after scandal, piss poor performances and no love for the badge.
Give the bloke some credit for dragging us out of the footballing wilderness and in less than 2 years giving us something to cheer about. At 47 he's still learning his trade at this level but he has conducted himself immaculately in every situation in public. He's built his team on youth not experience. Committed to a style of play and picked on form not reputation.
Pretty much united an entire country to care about national football again when some, me included, had thrown the towel in. We came into this tournament as a team for the Euros 2020 and we are still in it by the skin of our teeth while Germany, Argentina, Spain and Portugal are at home.
You can't deny his passion for the badge he's tried to be progressive in his approach. England needed a plan and we have something to build on I think he has brought the FA kicking and screaming behind him. Whatever happens in this tournament he should be judged on a 4 year project.
He deserves that after the cack that preceded him since about 1996.
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Post by Boothen on Jul 3, 2018 22:54:38 GMT
Just saying.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 3, 2018 22:56:32 GMT
Planning for penalties- good foresight. Top man is Gareth - he's instilled a real team spirit instead of a bunch of individuals. We've got a good group of lads. Keep up the good work G Man! The spirit when we just fell apart when the drug dealers scored? They went to pieces really didn't they? Those players do not look comfortable playing the way Mr Southgate makes them play to me. They did for 15 mins but then we were the better team in the 2nd half of extra time and with the exception of Henderson great penalties. We were the better team for the majority of the game tonight and if you see it differently then fair enough. Personally I thought they stepped up again and showed some real fight, we were cruising - got pegged back and then under the kosh but came out swinging. Great effort, they all dug in and worked for each other.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 3, 2018 22:58:42 GMT
I fucking love Gareth Southgate.
I’ve never seen, not in my lifetime anyway, a nation behind the manager like I’ve seen with Southgate, what a bloke, if we win it I’ll let him shag my mum in front of me, I’ll even fetch him a beer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2018 22:58:48 GMT
His sub nearly cost us the game today.
It was negative shite at it finest and isn't needed.
Hopefully he learned.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 3, 2018 23:00:08 GMT
His sub nearly cost us the game today. It was negative shite at it finest and isn't needed. Hopefully he learned. Good penalty though!
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 3, 2018 23:00:14 GMT
Things fell apart for him at Middlesbrough when he had to rebuild McLaren's squad. He was doing ok before then.
He may be a poor squad builder, making him a disaster at club level, but that makes no difference at international level. He seems to be well suited.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 3, 2018 23:03:52 GMT
His sub nearly cost us the game today. It was negative shite at it finest and isn't needed. Hopefully he learned. Good penalty though! I don't think it was tbh! Obviously it went in but only just and it should have been saved.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jul 3, 2018 23:04:24 GMT
As Bobby Martinez has shown, it's better to be lucky than good, I really hope Gareth is a lucky manager we can be bang avarage all tournament if it means we win it.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 3, 2018 23:08:03 GMT
I don't think it was tbh! Obviously it went in but only just and it should have been saved. They're all good if they go in - even Bryan Ruiz knows that. RLC was the obvious choice, Dier kills all momentum and he can't even foul properly.
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