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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 10:43:58 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 23, 2018 10:43:58 GMT
Look if we hadn’t got the fucking RELEGATION release clause inserted he wouldn’t of signed in the first place as he must of insisted it was put in place That's way too much of a cop out for those at the club who agreed to it, wez. Its an absurdly bad term which should have been negotiated upon. Are we saying we should have just agreed to anything to get him to sign? What if he insisted he wanted Wednesday's off or a skiing holiday every February, should we have agreed to that as well? This clause tells us a hell of a lot about the reason our first home game is against Brentford in a couple of months.
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Post by Northy on Jun 23, 2018 10:47:07 GMT
Look if we hadn’t got the fucking RELEGATION release clause inserted he wouldn’t of signed in the first place as he must of insisted it was put in place If we’d survived his price would be double/triple what is being quoted WTF is it people are struggling to grasp Dunna bust a blood vessel, people will just put fingers in their ears and shout la la la la la, as they dont want to hear it as it doesnt suit their argument.
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Post by werrington on Jun 23, 2018 11:08:11 GMT
Look if we hadn’t got the fucking RELEGATION release clause inserted he wouldn’t of signed in the first place as he must of insisted it was put in place That's way too much of a cop out for those at the club who agreed to it, wez. Its an absurdly bad term which should have been negotiated upon. Are we saying we should have just agreed to anything to get him to sign? What if he insisted he wanted Wednesday's off or a skiing holiday every February, should we have agreed to that as well? This clause tells us a hell of a lot about the reason our first home game is against Brentford in a couple of months. I’m not sure of your point mate as a skiing holiday is completely different and you know are well aware of that Shaqiri was a massive coup for SCFC but if the clause ( our money back ) wasn’t inserted he wouldn’t of signed ...you know it, I know it and every fucker else knows it We had some on here saying he should be sacked last winter due to him apparently constantly feigning injury and having no bottle and now we see the same ones moaning their arses off over a clause that if it wasn’t inserted he wouldn’t be here in the first place They don’t know their arse from their elbow
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 23, 2018 11:13:48 GMT
That's way too much of a cop out for those at the club who agreed to it, wez. Its an absurdly bad term which should have been negotiated upon. Are we saying we should have just agreed to anything to get him to sign? What if he insisted he wanted Wednesday's off or a skiing holiday every February, should we have agreed to that as well? This clause tells us a hell of a lot about the reason our first home game is against Brentford in a couple of months. I’m not sure of your point mate as a skiing holiday is completely different and you know are well aware of that Shaqiri was a massive coup for SCFC but if the clause ( our money back ) wasn’t inserted he wouldn’t of signed ...you know it, I know it and every fucker else knows it I don't know anything of the sort and nor does anyone else. It was a coup but there was zero serious competition for him when we signed him and its an atrocious clause and one we should have railed against. My great Aunt Fanny could have anticipated a few years in the Premier League would see his value soar. It was arrogant and complacent, all the things that see us back in Division 2.
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 11:17:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 11:17:26 GMT
Wow, you drafted every players contract ever who had a release clause. Good work. It’s common knowledge that’s how it works, you’re obviously struggling with it though. Is that how Joe Allens worked
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 11:18:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 11:18:09 GMT
Wow, you drafted every players contract ever who had a release clause. Good work. It is reasonable to expect Shaq's release clause in his contract to have exactly the same terms as any other player who's had a release clause in his contract. A release clause is exactly what it sounds like. The selling club effectively has no control (ie, has to release the player) once the release clause is met. See above
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 23, 2018 11:21:23 GMT
That's way too much of a cop out for those at the club who agreed to it, wez. Its an absurdly bad term which should have been negotiated upon. Are we saying we should have just agreed to anything to get him to sign? What if he insisted he wanted Wednesday's off or a skiing holiday every February, should we have agreed to that as well? This clause tells us a hell of a lot about the reason our first home game is against Brentford in a couple of months. I’m not sure of your point mate as a skiing holiday is completely different and you know are well aware of that Shaqiri was a massive coup for SCFC but if the clause ( our money back ) wasn’t inserted he wouldn’t of signed ...you know it, I know it and every fucker else knows it We had some on here saying he should be sacked last winter due to him apparently constantly feigning injury and having no bottle and now we see the same ones moaning their arses off over a clause that if it wasn’t inserted he wouldn’t be here in the first place They don’t know their arse from their elbow No one else wanted him and he spent a month hawking himself around. I get the clause but feck me it should have been set a lot higher. Sheer negligence.
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 11:21:57 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Jun 23, 2018 11:21:57 GMT
To get less than £20M for Shaq is really bad business, but a release clause is a release clause. I really hope it's more than the quoted £12M though!
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Post by werrington on Jun 23, 2018 11:25:38 GMT
I’m not sure of your point mate as a skiing holiday is completely different and you know are well aware of that Shaqiri was a massive coup for SCFC but if the clause ( our money back ) wasn’t inserted he wouldn’t of signed ...you know it, I know it and every fucker else knows it We had some on here saying he should be sacked last winter due to him apparently constantly feigning injury and having no bottle and now we see the same ones moaning their arses off over a clause that if it wasn’t inserted he wouldn’t be here in the first place They don’t know their arse from their elbow No one else wanted him and he spent a month hawking himself around. I get the clause but feck me it should have been set a lot higher. Sheer negligence. Maybe the club tried and he didn’t go with it ? Imagine the furore on here if we’d said “ go fuck your self Shaq “ and he’d tootled off to one of our rivals with that in his contract Yeah I know Bayern you would of patted the club on the back and said “well done” for standing firm
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 23, 2018 11:27:29 GMT
No one else wanted him and he spent a month hawking himself around. I get the clause but feck me it should have been set a lot higher. Sheer negligence. Maybe the club tried and he didn’t go with it ? Imagine the furore on here if we’d said “ go fuck your self Shaq “ and he’d tootled off to one of our rivals with that in his contract Yeah I know Bayern you would of patted the club on the back and said “well done” for standing firm The poor 'lil old Stoke excuse Wez. 'What could we do, we're only Stoke' The truth is we have blazing incompetents getting away with murder in key positions at the club.
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 11:29:56 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 23, 2018 11:29:56 GMT
No one else wanted him and he spent a month hawking himself around. I get the clause but feck me it should have been set a lot higher. Sheer negligence. Maybe the club tried and he didn’t go with it ? Imagine the furore on here if we’d said “ go fuck your self Shaq “ and he’d tootled off to one of our rivals with that in his contract Yeah I know Bayern you would of patted the club on the back and said “well done” for standing firm Who knows but it's a daft deal whichever way you look at it that sums the arrogance of the people doing the deals up. Im always on board with setting deadlines for people like him and he was taking the piss out of us for his own good, which is fair. But you have to protect your assets and we didn't do that. That's inexcusable.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Jun 23, 2018 11:30:06 GMT
Unless you were privy to what was said at the meetings by which the whole contract was negotiated no one can be sure as to whether the clause had to be inserted and at what amount before he would sign for us.
Everyone is clearly entitled to their opinion, but I would suggest no one on this board knows.
Clearly whatever opinion is being taken it is being based on whether the writer has an axe to grind with Scholes etc, as some on here , fo whatever reason, clearly do.
My best guess is that it had to be included and that Stoke obtained the highest figure they believed they could.
Again only Shaq's agents could tell you for sure if they could have pressed to a higher figure.
Overall I think people should just let it go.
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 11:31:05 GMT
Post by nutterpotter on Jun 23, 2018 11:31:05 GMT
It is reasonable to expect Shaq's release clause in his contract to have exactly the same terms as any other player who's had a release clause in his contract. A release clause is exactly what it sounds like. The selling club effectively has no control (ie, has to release the player) once the release clause is met. See above Eh? Why should we assume Shaq has a release clause like Allen did? (ie, only valid for top 6 clubs) No journalist has reported it so there is no reason to think it is like that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 23, 2018 11:31:28 GMT
Unless you were privy to what was said at the meetings by which the whole contract was negotiated no one can be sure as to whether the clause had to be inserted and at what amount before he would sign for us. Everyone is clearly entitled to their opinion, but I would suggest no one on this board knows. Clearly whatever opinion is being taken it is being based on whether the writer has an axe to grind with Scholes etc, as some on here , fo whatever reason, clearly do. My best guess is that it had to be included and that Stoke obtained the highest figure they believed they could. Again only Shaq's agents could tell you for sure if they could have pressed to a higher figure. Overall I think people should just let it go. Why? That's how relegation happened. They need to be bought to account for their incompetency.
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 11:36:04 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jun 23, 2018 11:36:04 GMT
Maybe the club tried and he didn’t go with it ? Imagine the furore on here if we’d said “ go fuck your self Shaq “ and he’d tootled off to one of our rivals with that in his contract Yeah I know Bayern you would of patted the club on the back and said “well done” for standing firm The poor 'lil old Stoke excuse Wez. 'What could we do, we're only Stoke' The truth is we have blazing incompetents getting away with murder in key positions at the club. It’s football mate Wolves/Bournemouth had when they signed Afobe from wolves and wolves activated it and sold him to us one week later got 3m more Barcelona do it all the time when they sell a player ...Delefou a prime example Clubs take that risk
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 11:36:53 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Jun 23, 2018 11:36:53 GMT
“As players we have to shoulder responsibility for what happened last season. Sometimes in football when things go wrong players try to wash their hands of it but I’m hoping a few more of the lads will have the same target of trying to set the record straight and helping the Club bounce straight back.” *
So says, well not Shaqiri for one. He said just the opposite: "Not my fault; the rest of the team are to blame" I paraphrase. He was actually our best player last season, but that is more a criticism of the other players than a complement for him. He was certainly our most dangerous attacking player, with excellent shots, passes, and corners, but when it comes to helping the team to defend he was a disgrace, particularly when he stood and complained about others, waving his arm in the air. What surprises me is someone hasn't stuck one on him in the dressing room.
* Joe Allen actually
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 23, 2018 11:41:20 GMT
Unless you were privy to what was said at the meetings by which the whole contract was negotiated no one can be sure as to whether the clause had to be inserted and at what amount before he would sign for us. Everyone is clearly entitled to their opinion, but I would suggest no one on this board knows. Clearly whatever opinion is being taken it is being based on whether the writer has an axe to grind with Scholes etc, as some on here , fo whatever reason, clearly do. My best guess is that it had to be included and that Stoke obtained the highest figure they believed they could. Again only Shaq's agents could tell you for sure if they could have pressed to a higher figure. Overall I think people should just let it go. I agree. We don't know, but what is clear we spent all summer trying to persuade him to sign. He was clearly reluctant to come to Stoke, but no other club offered him a better offer. My guess, he was a reluctant recruit and only agreed to come on the basis that he could get out without any barriers.
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Post by RAF on Jun 23, 2018 11:47:25 GMT
You know the price can't be driven up because he has a release clause right? H In a bidding war it could in theory, that's what he's saying There won't be a bidding war though, he will go to one of the clubs that meet the release clause. No one will have to pay more he will just choose which team to go to if more than one team offer the release clause. It's a shame but that's how it is. H
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 11:48:10 GMT
Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 23, 2018 11:48:10 GMT
Alternatively you could argue the failure to recruit players of a similar quality, since he's been here, led to the decline. In fact there's no argument there just relegation facts! I suppose the type of club he goes to will determine how his last three years have been perceived. By your reckoning the big clubs will be queuing up for him, by mine he’ll be lucky if he ends up at Southampton. Not really. What I'm saying is the better players around him the better he will play. Ah BMX! he is a bit of a mardarse though and that's not a good trait. He was doing his usual in the first half last night, giving the look to teammates. At 12 million (?) a top team would be mad not to pay that even for a squad player. It doesn't work out they'll get their money back on loan fees.
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Post by werrington on Jun 23, 2018 11:49:13 GMT
In a bidding war it could in theory, that's what he's saying There won't be a bidding war though, he will go to one of the clubs that meet the release clause. No one will have to pay more he will just choose which team to go to if more than one team offer the release clause. It's a shame but that's how it is. H Correct mate The only bidding war will be regards the wages he will receive from the clubs after him
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 12:00:00 GMT
Post by Northy on Jun 23, 2018 12:00:00 GMT
To get less than £20M for Shaq is really bad business, but a release clause is a release clause. I really hope it's more than the quoted £12M though! Why, when the oracles of Bayern and Sheik are saying nobody else wanted him, if it was too high we could have been stuck with him, it's all a bit catch 22.
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 12:07:27 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 23, 2018 12:07:27 GMT
I suppose the type of club he goes to will determine how his last three years have been perceived. By your reckoning the big clubs will be queuing up for him, by mine he’ll be lucky if he ends up at Southampton. Not really. What I'm saying is the better players around him the better he will play. Ah BMX! he is a bit of a mardarse though and that's not a good trait. He was doing his usual in the first half last night, giving the look to teammates. At 12 million (?) a top team would be mad not to pay that even for a squad player. It doesn't work out they'll get their money back on loan fees. Why do you think they haven’t, so far?
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 12:10:05 GMT
Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 23, 2018 12:10:05 GMT
Not really. What I'm saying is the better players around him the better he will play. Ah BMX! he is a bit of a mardarse though and that's not a good trait. He was doing his usual in the first half last night, giving the look to teammates. At 12 million (?) a top team would be mad not to pay that even for a squad player. It doesn't work out they'll get their money back on loan fees. Why do you think they haven’t, so far? Because Shaq's waiting until after the World Cup! Time will tell!
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 12:11:07 GMT
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jun 23, 2018 12:11:07 GMT
I’m not sure of your point mate as a skiing holiday is completely different and you know are well aware of that Shaqiri was a massive coup for SCFC but if the clause ( our money back ) wasn’t inserted he wouldn’t of signed ...you know it, I know it and every fucker else knows it I don't know anything of the sort and nor does anyone else. It was a coup but there was zero serious competition for him when we signed him and its an atrocious clause and one we should have railed against. My great Aunt Fanny could have anticipated a few years in the Premier League would see his value soar. It was arrogant and complacent, all the things that see us back in Division 2. Anybody would think its your money at stake. If there is a release clause the only people who should be concerned are the owners.
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 12:13:03 GMT
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 23, 2018 12:13:03 GMT
Look if we hadn’t got the fucking RELEGATION release clause inserted he wouldn’t of signed in the first place as he must of insisted it was put in place That's way too much of a cop out for those at the club who agreed to it, wez. Its an absurdly bad term which should have been negotiated upon. Are we saying we should have just agreed to anything to get him to sign? What if he insisted he wanted Wednesday's off or a skiing holiday every February, should we have agreed to that as well? This clause tells us a hell of a lot about the reason our first home game is against Brentford in a couple of months. It’s a common thing in football. Get a grip.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 12:14:34 GMT
Personally I have a lot of time for Shaq, defending has never been in his game so we should have played him at number 10 as a second striker to a target man but there you go.
Wherever he goes next I hope he succeeds and I think he should be praised for playing like he did this season for us, worked his bollocks off going forward and singlehandedly won us points at times.
If he were such a primadonna he would've feigned injury to ensure fitness for the world cup, said 'sorry boys you're on your own' and everyone would have talked about how we might've stayed up if it wasn't for Shaq being injured and he wouldn't associated with, what was for all intents and purposes, a pretty woeful relegation campaign.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 23, 2018 12:17:12 GMT
That's way too much of a cop out for those at the club who agreed to it, wez. Its an absurdly bad term which should have been negotiated upon. Are we saying we should have just agreed to anything to get him to sign? What if he insisted he wanted Wednesday's off or a skiing holiday every February, should we have agreed to that as well? This clause tells us a hell of a lot about the reason our first home game is against Brentford in a couple of months. It’s a common thing in football. Get a grip. The presence of the clause is not the issue its the value of it. Get a pair of glasses.
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 12:17:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 12:17:28 GMT
That's way too much of a cop out for those at the club who agreed to it, wez. Its an absurdly bad term which should have been negotiated upon. Are we saying we should have just agreed to anything to get him to sign? What if he insisted he wanted Wednesday's off or a skiing holiday every February, should we have agreed to that as well? This clause tells us a hell of a lot about the reason our first home game is against Brentford in a couple of months. It’s a common thing in football. Get a grip. There's more chance of Shaqiri covering his fullback then Sheikh getting a grip mate.
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Post by mattythestokie on Jun 23, 2018 12:22:54 GMT
It’s a common thing in football. Get a grip. The presence of the clause is not the issue its the value of it. Get a pair of glasses. The point of a player wanting a relegation release clause that he has an easy out if we go down. Should he have a relegation clause of 30million? What’s the point of even having one. Jonny Evans is leaving for 3.5million this summer. Demba Ba left West Ham on a free just 6months after signing for something like 7million. Good players don’t always want to play in the Championship in case you didn’t know.
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Shaq
Jun 23, 2018 12:29:53 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Jun 23, 2018 12:29:53 GMT
It’s a common thing in football. Get a grip. There's more chance of Shaqiri covering his fullback then Sheikh getting a grip mate. Blimey, I thought you were dead.
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