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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 5:59:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 5:59:49 GMT
We have to put the fee into perspective. It was a relegation release clause which was clearly inserted on his request to insure him against what actually happened and ensure he'd be available for a competitive price to give him the best choice of clubs to choose from. He wouldn't have signed for us without it, it's that simple. A player of his stature wouldn't want a large release clause which could put off perspective buyers and potentially leave him trapped in the Championship with us. He was a huge coup at the time and most outsiders were shocked we'd convinced him to join us. This was clearly part of the bargaining process that persuaded him to join. It's very telling that it seems like he was the only player to have such a clause. The fee needs to be put into perspective too. He was signed in 2015 when transfer fees were quite a bit lower and £13.5m was quite a lot of money then. The transfer market has moved on faster than anyone could have anticipated back then and it's left us with a legacy clause which is out of step with the current market but because it's in the contract we're legally stuck with it . The only perspective needed is the player himself. Spoke openly about joining because of promises to fight at the higher midtable area of the league and for the odd shot at a trophy (spoke about this last season), yet had that clause inserted on the quiet. Gutless shithouse trick.
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Post by PottersBrim on Jul 14, 2018 6:13:04 GMT
We have to put the fee into perspective. It was a relegation release clause which was clearly inserted on his request to insure him against what actually happened and ensure he'd be available for a competitive price to give him the best choice of clubs to choose from. He wouldn't have signed for us without it, it's that simple. A player of his stature wouldn't want a large release clause which could put off perspective buyers and potentially leave him trapped in the Championship with us. He was a huge coup at the time and most outsiders were shocked we'd convinced him to join us. This was clearly part of the bargaining process that persuaded him to join. It's very telling that it seems like he was the only player to have such a clause. The fee needs to be put into perspective too. He was signed in 2015 when transfer fees were quite a bit lower and £13.5m was quite a lot of money then. The transfer market has moved on faster than anyone could have anticipated back then and it's left us with a legacy clause which is out of step with the current market but because it's in the contract we're legally stuck with it . The only perspective needed is the player himself. Spoke openly about joining because of promises to fight at the higher midtable area of the league and for the odd shot at a trophy (spoke about this last season), yet had that clause inserted on the quiet. Gutless shithouse trick. He was an employee, not a lifelong Stoke supporter. Like pretty much everyone else in the squad, he signed a contract with his best interests at heart. That doesn’t make him a shithouse.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 14, 2018 6:13:49 GMT
We have to put the fee into perspective. It was a relegation release clause which was clearly inserted on his request to insure him against what actually happened and ensure he'd be available for a competitive price to give him the best choice of clubs to choose from. He wouldn't have signed for us without it, it's that simple. A player of his stature wouldn't want a large release clause which could put off perspective buyers and potentially leave him trapped in the Championship with us. He was a huge coup at the time and most outsiders were shocked we'd convinced him to join us. This was clearly part of the bargaining process that persuaded him to join. It's very telling that it seems like he was the only player to have such a clause. The fee needs to be put into perspective too. He was signed in 2015 when transfer fees were quite a bit lower and £13.5m was quite a lot of money then. The transfer market has moved on faster than anyone could have anticipated back then and it's left us with a legacy clause which is out of step with the current market but because it's in the contract we're legally stuck with it . The only perspective needed is the player himself. Spoke openly about joining because of promises to fight at the higher midtable area of the league and for the odd shot at a trophy (spoke about this last season), yet had that clause inserted on the quiet. Gutless shithouse trick. Couple of things 1) the majority of footballers have similar clauses in their contracts these days 2) what did you expect him to do?! Tell the world he had such a clause in his contract?! Don't think you would've been impressed with that surely?!
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 6:38:31 GMT
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Post by questionable on Jul 14, 2018 6:38:31 GMT
I have no issues with Shaq whatsoever and on a few occasions he’s been a pleasure to watch.
The glaringly obvious problem still sits with SCFC and the inept charlatans who orchestrated the clause being activated by getting us relegated in the first place, let’s face it we all knew that we needed a striker and we did exactly the square root of fcku all and sat back on our pompous arses and pretended to be a prime example of a well run club.
Tomorrow nights final will be yet another smack in the teeth when yet another star was shipped out for a grand total of 8m (N Zonzi)
Given events so far we’re exactly the same despite the PC lessons learned BS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 6:46:42 GMT
The only perspective needed is the player himself. Spoke openly about joining because of promises to fight at the higher midtable area of the league and for the odd shot at a trophy (spoke about this last season), yet had that clause inserted on the quiet. Gutless shithouse trick. Couple of things 1) the majority of footballers have similar clauses in their contracts these days 2) what did you expect him to do?! Tell the world he had such a clause in his contract?! Don't think you would've been impressed with that surely?! I'm more disappointed in you Faye. With all of your contacts, you could and should have brought this to the table sooner...
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Post by heworksardtho on Jul 14, 2018 6:57:03 GMT
Good luck to him , players come and go all the time it’s just a job , onwards and upwards
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 14, 2018 7:12:18 GMT
Couple of things 1) the majority of footballers have similar clauses in their contracts these days 2) what did you expect him to do?! Tell the world he had such a clause in his contract?! Don't think you would've been impressed with that surely?! I'm more disappointed in you Faye. With all of your contacts, you could and should have brought this to the table sooner... Tony has paid a lot of "hush money" during the years. I have plenty of secrets about the running of Stoke City that I have kept to myself. However, if Tony keeps giving my duff transfer information I may be forced to divulge some of the shocking things I have been told.
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 7:29:27 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 14, 2018 7:29:27 GMT
Are the club still taking the piss out of fans with this 'undisclosed' bollocks?
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 7:32:00 GMT
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jul 14, 2018 7:32:00 GMT
We have to put the fee into perspective. It was a relegation release clause which was clearly inserted on his request to insure him against what actually happened and ensure he'd be available for a competitive price to give him the best choice of clubs to choose from. He wouldn't have signed for us without it, it's that simple. A player of his stature wouldn't want a large release clause which could put off perspective buyers and potentially leave him trapped in the Championship with us. He was a huge coup at the time and most outsiders were shocked we'd convinced him to join us. This was clearly part of the bargaining process that persuaded him to join. It's very telling that it seems like he was the only player to have such a clause. The fee needs to be put into perspective too. He was signed in 2015 when transfer fees were quite a bit lower and £13.5m was quite a lot of money then. The transfer market has moved on faster than anyone could have anticipated back then and it's left us with a legacy clause which is out of step with the current market but because it's in the contract we're legally stuck with it . The only perspective needed is the player himself. Spoke openly about joining because of promises to fight at the higher midtable area of the league and for the odd shot at a trophy (spoke about this last season), yet had that clause inserted on the quiet. Gutless shithouse trick. So you think its ok for the club to insert a pay reduction clause but if the player wants a release clause he's a gutless shithouse? Unbelievable.
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 7:36:21 GMT
Post by Fred Ferret on Jul 14, 2018 7:36:21 GMT
Along with Hoekstra,Arnautovic,and Nzonzi the best player I've ever seen play for Stoke (I'm 36 years old). Of course, they were all shit really and obviously massive wankers to boot. I've said it before and will no doubt be saying it until my dying breath but most Stoke fans wouldn't know a decent player if he came up to them and jizzed in their eye. Last sentence is authentic tripe.
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 7:38:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 7:38:46 GMT
The only perspective needed is the player himself. Spoke openly about joining because of promises to fight at the higher midtable area of the league and for the odd shot at a trophy (spoke about this last season), yet had that clause inserted on the quiet. Gutless shithouse trick. So you think its ok for the club to insert a pay reduction clause but if the player wants a release clause he's a gutless shithouse? Unbelievable. That's not the point I'm making, but well done on trying to manufacture an argument that isn't there.
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 7:41:14 GMT
Post by Fred Ferret on Jul 14, 2018 7:41:14 GMT
Thought we'd get 15-20 for him So, we have lost between £1.5m and £6.5m on that basis. No big deal and could be easily offset by the steal we made in paying only £6.2m for Etebo.
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 7:41:26 GMT
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Post by itsajoytobeapotter on Jul 14, 2018 7:41:26 GMT
So you think its ok for the club to insert a pay reduction clause but if the player wants a release clause he's a gutless shithouse? Unbelievable. That's not the point I'm making, but well done on trying to manufacture an argument that isn't there. Not trying to cause an argument mate just responding to your post.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 14, 2018 7:43:27 GMT
Along with Hoekstra,Arnautovic,and Nzonzi the best player I've ever seen play for Stoke (I'm 36 years old). Of course, they were all shit really and obviously massive wankers to boot. I've said it before and will no doubt be saying it until my dying breath but most Stoke fans wouldn't know a decent player if he came up to them and jizzed in their eye. Last sentence is authentic tripe. I dunno. Reading some of the bollocks about Shaqiri on this thread, it seems to have a validity about it!
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 7:46:33 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Jul 14, 2018 7:46:33 GMT
I have no issues with Shaq whatsoever and on a few occasions he’s been a pleasure to watch. The glaringly obvious problem still sits with SCFC and the inept charlatans who orchestrated the clause being activated by getting us relegated in the first place, let’s face it we all knew that we needed a striker and we did exactly the square root of fcku all and sat back on our pompous arses and pretended to be a prime example of a well run club. Tomorrow nights final will be yet another smack in the teeth when yet another star was shipped out for a grand total of 8m (N Zonzi)Given events so far we’re exactly the same despite the PC lessons learned BS N'Zonzi wanted to leave, he refused to sign a new contract, the alternative was make him play till he was worth nothing, £8m was the highest amount offered, he was prepared to leave for less money, he refused an increased pay deal, and (as I recall) Norwich were the only other club to make an offer of c.£4m. He was not "shipped out", everyone did what they could to persuade him to stay, but he wanted CL football and to improve his chances of playing for France.
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 7:51:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 7:51:14 GMT
That's not the point I'm making, but well done on trying to manufacture an argument that isn't there. Not trying to cause an argument mate just responding to your post. Fair do's. I'm just looking forward to the new season now and giving my backing to players that want to play for this great football club. Off to the Bescot later. Can't wait.
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Post by WhyDelilah on Jul 14, 2018 7:52:33 GMT
Are the club still taking the piss out of fans with this 'undisclosed' bollocks? It'll be ballpark 30 mill.
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Post by mallorcanstokie on Jul 14, 2018 8:04:25 GMT
Turn the clock back 3 years to when we signed him, who was thinking of relegation ?. Exactly as others said we signed him to 'push on' !, Whether we like it or not credit to his agent ( probably not Shaq) for inserting the clause, which was/is probably a standard claus in his contracts, Certainly not trying to deflect any blame from Teflon Tony but, at the time, probably seemed an unnecessary argument in getting him here. Hindsight is a wonderful gift to appoint blame. Let's move on with whatever GR is happy with.
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 8:05:26 GMT
Post by mallorcanstokie on Jul 14, 2018 8:05:26 GMT
Duplicated, no need to read twice...
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 14, 2018 8:06:45 GMT
Are the club still taking the piss out of fans with this 'undisclosed' bollocks? It’s undisclosed as the brilliance of scholes and Cartwrights negotiation skills would be there for opposeing clubs to see thus risking the loss of our backroom jems
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 8:20:49 GMT
Shaq is tailor made for Liverpool, he will have mane firminho salah all making runs for him to pick out. Must admit I hate the victims but he’s perfect for them
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 8:31:22 GMT
Post by biglad180 on Jul 14, 2018 8:31:22 GMT
good luck shaq it wood have been nice if you had thanked the stoke fans for supporting you to soften the blow. but that's the modern day footballer for you.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jul 14, 2018 8:35:47 GMT
Once again, some of the comments made about one of the best players that we've had in recent years, are fucking ridiculous. He's so shit that he's signed for one of the most exciting teams in Europe, who made the Champions league final last season. Are some of you on the wind up or just intellectually challenged? Good luck Shaqiri. You've scored some of the best goals that I've ever witnessed playing for Stoke. You also played a major role in the most exciting football that I've ever witnessed, beating the top teams. You'll be missed, well by me anyway!
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 8:44:16 GMT
Post by britvic72 on Jul 14, 2018 8:44:16 GMT
Good luck to the guy and thanks for the memories. I hope he replaces Salah rather than warms the bench as surely they can't hold on to him?
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 9:01:12 GMT
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Post by bhp on Jul 14, 2018 9:01:12 GMT
Been a pleasure to see him in a Stoke shirt in one of the most successful periods the club has seen, the 15/16 season was something special, playing class football and beating world class teams on our own patch. Something else.
For the 1,500 travelling fans who went to Hull before they were relegated witnessed an absolute masterclass of what him and Arnautovic were capable of.
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 9:04:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 9:04:13 GMT
Once again, some of the comments made about one of the best players that we've had in recent years, are fucking ridiculous. He's so shit that he's signed for one of the most exciting teams in Europe, who made the Champions league final last season. Are some of you on the wind up or just intellectually challenged? Good luck Shaqiri. You've scored some of the best goals that I've ever witnessed playing for Stoke. You also played a major role in the most exciting football that I've ever witnessed, beating the top teams. You'll be missed, well by me anyway!
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 9:07:23 GMT
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Post by podolipotter on Jul 14, 2018 9:07:23 GMT
I believe he genuinely played for Stoke in our colours and did so to his best ability. I wish him all good fortune for the future.
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Shaq
Jul 14, 2018 9:10:15 GMT
Post by Pedropotter on Jul 14, 2018 9:10:15 GMT
He was shit anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2018 9:12:49 GMT
Once again, some of the comments made about one of the best players that we've had in recent years, are fucking ridiculous. He's so shit that he's signed for one of the most exciting teams in Europe, who made the Champions league final last season. Are some of you on the wind up or just intellectually challenged? Good luck Shaqiri. You've scored some of the best goals that I've ever witnessed playing for Stoke. You also played a major role in the most exciting football that I've ever witnessed, beating the top teams. You'll be missed, well by me anyway! Couldn't agree more, totally gob smacked that people on here slate him for not tracking back. Most of last season we ended up with a back 5 plus 3 defensive midfielders and clowns on here still thought our ONE creative player should be hurtling around the field like a madmen making tackles on the edge of his own box. Call me old fashioned but I want my forwards saving energy to do damage at the other end of the pitch.
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 14, 2018 9:22:55 GMT
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