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Post by JoeinOz on May 31, 2018 15:22:59 GMT
Alternatively see if we can get a few goals from him. You never know. A lower level might help him. We don't have that luxury though Joe do we? We've got to be totally focused on getting ourselves straight back up, not waiting around to see if a player may or may not hit some form. Look, we can still have a good season if Bera continues being gormless. He doesn't have to be first choice or anything but it's better to try with him than have him rotting away costing us many millions of quid.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 15:26:10 GMT
You genuinely think that's an option? You'll be going mental on here if we start the season with Berahino playing. As I've just said to Joe, we need to be totally focused on promotion, not hoping against hope that Berahino might somehow come good for us. I'd have been playing at the end of season Paul or at least having him on the bench. I really don't think he's as bad as he's portrayed, personality or football wise. So you'd be happy if we start the first game of the season with Berahino up front? Blimey ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 15:27:57 GMT
We don't have that luxury though Joe do we? We've got to be totally focused on getting ourselves straight back up, not waiting around to see if a player may or may not hit some form. Look, we can still have a good season if Bera continues being gormless. He doesn't have to be first choice or anything but it's better to try with him than have him rotting away costing us many millions of quid. That's exactly why I (and others) have offered an alternative to him 'rotting away' Joe. And he's going to be costing us millions of quid, whatever we do.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 31, 2018 15:33:31 GMT
Look, we can still have a good season if Bera continues being gormless. He doesn't have to be first choice or anything but it's better to try with him than have him rotting away costing us many millions of quid. That's exactly why I (and others) have offered an alternative to him 'rotting away' Joe. And he's going to be costing us millions of quid, whatever we do. What if he is suited better to this level? Also his stock has never been lower. Can't see anybody taking him on. What if he won't go?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 15:40:56 GMT
That's exactly why I (and others) have offered an alternative to him 'rotting away' Joe. And he's going to be costing us millions of quid, whatever we do. What if he is suited better to this level? Also his stock has never been lower. Can't see anybody taking him on. What if he won't go? To be fair Joe, all those questions have been adressed just a little further back in the thread. The original question was 'would you give Berahino a chance?' and my answer is no, not if I could help it, in the first instance, I would try to see if somebody would take him on loan.
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Post by thepirehillpoet on May 31, 2018 15:42:04 GMT
No, blown every chance he's been given and I don't hold with the not been managed correctly crap. Waste of space let him kick a pebble round the car park. It's people with his attitude that has left us where we are.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 31, 2018 15:43:07 GMT
im no solicitor but surely if he is not following club rules and not conducting him self in a business like manner, then that is gross misconduct and should have the contract ripped up and should be dismissed the club should spend a bit of money on a decent solicitor and teach this twats who are taking the piss out of our club a lesson And lose 12mil, Scholes isn't even that stupid, give him a go and you may just get lucky.
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Post by superheroantonius on May 31, 2018 15:55:41 GMT
I might at a push, go along with the argument that diouf , should have a place on the bench .
On the basis that he tries hard and if he remembers how to play football , and gets his confidence get back , he might come good ???
But as for berahino , you can't pick someone on the basis that they never try and always hide from the ball
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Post by nott1 on May 31, 2018 16:00:05 GMT
I'd put Berahino on the bench all summer and lock the stadium!
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2018 16:05:25 GMT
I'd have been playing at the end of season Paul or at least having him on the bench. I really don't think he's as bad as he's portrayed, personality or football wise. So you'd be happy if we start the first game of the season with Berahino up front? Blimey ... I'd want Dwight Gayle tbh. But him on the bench doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 16:08:11 GMT
So you'd be happy if we start the first game of the season with Berahino up front? Blimey ... I'd want Dwight Gayle tbh. But him on the bench doesn't bother me in the slightest. So you'd be more than happy for him to be Gayle's replacement if Gayle got injured?
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Post by enuntio on May 31, 2018 16:08:50 GMT
What if he is suited better to this level? Also his stock has never been lower. Can't see anybody taking him on. What if he won't go? To be fair Joe, all those questions have been adressed just a little further back in the thread. The original question was 'would you give Berahino a chance?' and my answer is no, not if I could help it, in the first instance, I would try to see if somebody would take him on loan. I'm sure many of us have been "bad boys" at times. Not all of us stay "bad boys" There must be something in the lad to warrant his purchase. You win some, you lose some. He has to try and redeem his "career" Keep him, play him. If he's still piss poor by xmas then sell him or sack him,come what May
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2018 16:09:26 GMT
I'd want Dwight Gayle tbh. But him on the bench doesn't bother me in the slightest. So you'd be more than happy for him to be Gayle's replacement if Gayle got injured? Yeah.
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Post by crownmeking on May 31, 2018 16:13:24 GMT
So you'd be more than happy for him to be Gayle's replacement if Gayle got injured? Yeah. Are you high as a M F'er?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2018 16:14:34 GMT
Are you high as a M F'er? No, why? I thought he did ok when he played last season and deserved more of a chance than he was given by Lambert and would have certainly been more useful than Campbell.
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Post by Gods on May 31, 2018 16:16:26 GMT
If we are not able to give him away because no one will match his wage then I don't see why not. You'd hope Rowett would at least be willing to try, after all we paid up the remaining £2m of his contract at Derby to secure his services so you'd like to think he brings with him some kind of value add/midas touch wouldn't you?! Rowett would need to get inside his head, succeed where those before him have failed, earn his 6 figure income. I think he'd like to try although he may quickly find himself utterly exasperated! What's with all this milk of human kindness mallarkey Gods? For many players who haven't done it for some or other reason I'd feel the same as you but with Bera, sorry no, we should just cut our losses and move on. The guy is like Sammy Bang Bang without the talent. You know me Sal, a generosity of spirit, give him a final shot at redemption, and Gazza a chance to prove he is the inspirational leader of men he purports to be !
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Post by crownmeking on May 31, 2018 16:17:20 GMT
Are you high as a M F'er? No, why? I thought he did ok when he played last season and deserved more of a chance than he was given by Lambert and would have certainly been more useful than Campbell. I think he has totally flopped on and off the field. Would much rather we cut our losses, or just not rely on him for anything.
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Post by boothenesque on May 31, 2018 16:17:51 GMT
We took a chance on him, it failed, so why take another chance when his track record to date points to failure. We shouldn't be considering failing just to save the career of someone that has shat on us. Need to get rid fast, the sooner we forget those that got us here the better. Pull off some prozzie sting, record it, put it in the papers and sack him to cut our losses.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 16:18:17 GMT
To be fair Joe, all those questions have been adressed just a little further back in the thread. The original question was 'would you give Berahino a chance?' and my answer is no, not if I could help it, in the first instance, I would try to see if somebody would take him on loan. I'm sure many of us have been "bad boys" at times. Not all of us stay "bad boys" There must be something in the lad to warrant his purchase. You win some, you lose some. He has to try and redeem his "career" Keep him, play him. If he's still piss poor by xmas then sell him or sack him,come what May Whilst we sit mid table because we can't score goals, why on earth would we take that risk? Next season isn't about us focusing on giving Berahino a chance to redeem himself, it should be about us focusing on a return to the Premiership, REALLY focusing. And we can't sack him for being 'piss poor' whatever happens.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2018 16:19:12 GMT
No, why? I thought he did ok when he played last season and deserved more of a chance than he was given by Lambert and would have certainly been more useful than Campbell. I think he has totally flopped on and off the field. Would much rather we cut our losses, or just not rely on him for anything. The off the field stuff doesn't bother me in the slightest. I would love it if we could genuinely cut our losses but we can't or I don't think there's a way we can.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 16:22:51 GMT
So you'd be more than happy for him to be Gayle's replacement if Gayle got injured? Yeah. Well it might still happen. If our new centre forward is out through injury for a few games and Berahino ends up being his replacement, I predict the board will get ripped to shreds for a lack of forethought.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 31, 2018 16:24:26 GMT
To be fair Joe, all those questions have been adressed just a little further back in the thread. The original question was 'would you give Berahino a chance?' and my answer is no, not if I could help it, in the first instance, I would try to see if somebody would take him on loan. I'm sure many of us have been "bad boys" at times. Not all of us stay "bad boys" There must be something in the lad to warrant his purchase. You win some, you lose some. He has to try and redeem his "career" Keep him, play him. If he's still piss poor by xmas then sell him or sack him,come what May There's a link in the chain you're missing though. He has to earn his chance. He has to show something in training, in pre-season, or in sub cameos that warrants him getting a game. He has to apply himself and show willing and actually get himself fit and turn up on time. We can't just magically assume it's all going to be fine and just bung him straight back in on the off chance he's not a 'bad boy' anymore based on nothing.
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Post by Fred Ferret on May 31, 2018 16:27:36 GMT
I think he has totally flopped on and off the field. Would much rather we cut our losses, or just not rely on him for anything. The off the field stuff doesn't bother me in the slightest. I would love it if we could genuinely cut our losses but we can't or I don't think there's a way we can. There have been enough, far too many, tossers at this club who have tarnished the club's image and standing. Not one single shameful, so-called player, should be given a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th chance. Play soft with these parasites and they will just carry on in the same way.
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Post by crownmeking on May 31, 2018 16:32:52 GMT
I think he has totally flopped on and off the field. Would much rather we cut our losses, or just not rely on him for anything. The off the field stuff doesn't bother me in the slightest. I would love it if we could genuinely cut our losses but we can't or I don't think there's a way we can. The off field stuff absolutely points to him having more issues than we perhaps thought. If you can't get your shit together at home it very often leads to trouble at work too. Especially for professional sports players, for whom psychology is a major part of what they do. If we cannot cut our losses in terms of getting rid, I still don't think we should be going into next season with any level of expectation from him. We cannot afford to risk continually giving him a chance.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on May 31, 2018 16:37:47 GMT
I'd tell him he's not first-choice, but if he works harder than he's ever worked before he's capable of tearing up the Championship once he earns his place in the team.
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Post by soulstoke59 on May 31, 2018 18:07:51 GMT
No chance, the sort of person who is helping to make clubs struggle , over paid useless arsehole , get rid of if its only a pound and put it in a charity box
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Post by andystokey on May 31, 2018 18:13:05 GMT
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Post by leicspotter on May 31, 2018 18:16:25 GMT
The way I see it, we only have two options (assuming Berhino wants to dig his heels in ref his contract)
1. Sort his head out and get him playing - either well enough to sell on or well enough to be a useful contributor to our push for promotion
2. Let him rot like Rodwell at Sunderland
I just hope Rowett has the know how to sort him out
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Post by adi on May 31, 2018 18:21:47 GMT
Can’t stand him based on the awful attitude he’s alleged to have. But I would at present, without us signing at least one decent striker, bench him and in games that we are comfortably winning, chuck him on to see what he’s got. If by Jan he’s still wank then get him gone or dropped completely.
If we sign Vydra and one other then get rid.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 31, 2018 18:28:29 GMT
No, why? I thought he did ok when he played last season and deserved more of a chance than he was given by Lambert and would have certainly been more useful than Campbell. I think he has totally flopped on and off the field. Would much rather we cut our losses, or just not rely on him for anything. If he could play like he did against Chelsea on a consistent basis with someone behind him willing and able to play the ball through to him I think he'd be great for us, I know thats a big if but we've spent too much money just to rip up his contract (there's no way that would happen mind).
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