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Post by thebet365 on May 31, 2018 11:05:53 GMT
So lets say he's on 50k a week (conservative guess). That's 10.4m for his contract. Not gonna happen is it? Like an expensive divorce , it's a bargain !!! Not when it's gonna have a massive impact on your wage budget. Could easily mean not being able to bring in 2 top players this season just to pay him off.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on May 31, 2018 11:15:10 GMT
Berahino in Coventry 2 stoke 1 The worst performance by any player in a stoke shirt ever No running No tackling No commitment No skill No talent No pace No drive No bollocks No end product An entire match , spend hiding from the ball and doing nowt Years ago , my kids played kids ,football and if they had played like that in a meaningless under 8 s game, I would have been silently secretly ashamed of them They didn't, no one's kids did The bottom line ... eight years olds, who would rather be on their be on their x box , have more impact on match day than berahino He also seemed to forget how to take throw ins.
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Post by lordb on May 31, 2018 11:16:50 GMT
The only chance I’d give Berahino is to offer him a reduced-wage contract being re-instated to a full wage after a successful full season. The condition would be that he doesn’t continue to act like a tit. Why would he sign that? He has a contract,we agreed to it.
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Post by ElworthPotter on May 31, 2018 11:20:25 GMT
As others have said, with the money he’s on and his recent record no bastard is going to want to take him off us unless it’s a club lower than we are who can convince us to pay the vast majority of his wages.
Similarly, with the money he’s on he isn’t going agree to terminate his contract so, as far as Rowett is concerned, he may as well begin pre-season with Berahino in his plans.
It’ll be up to Berahino to prove whether he’s worth a shot when the league season begins, which could be where it all comes tumbling down.
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Post by mattface on May 31, 2018 11:32:22 GMT
He has the start of pre season to prove that he is serious about staying here - if he really doesn't want to take up that challenge, then we do our utmost to sell or loan him - knowing that it will be expensive whatever happens Even playing in the under 23 set up could be a negative experience for our other players. Over to you Saido Exactly this - there used to be a goal scorer in there - just need to find him again. Positive supportive management might be the key. If he's not willing to work then find a way out
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Post by slicko on May 31, 2018 11:33:50 GMT
The only chance I’d give Berahino is to offer him a reduced-wage contract being re-instated to a full wage after a successful full season. The condition would be that he doesn’t continue to act like a tit. Why would he sign that? He has a contract,we agreed to it. All contracts of employment have minimum performance standards. Get a lawyer on it. Put him through a capabilities process then if he’s still underperforming or in breach of timekeeping rules then offer another take it or leave it contract with conditions attached. That’s how mine would work.
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Post by stillgame4it on May 31, 2018 11:38:04 GMT
I think the new manager should give any of the players a chance to prove themselves under the new regime. But in cases like Berahino, there should also be a clear plan of action around what to do if he fails or blows his chance.
That is the piece that always seems to be missing?
Surely the highly paid board / management team at the club should be capable of developing and executing something like this.
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Post by enuntio on May 31, 2018 11:38:40 GMT
Start by giving him a timetable
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Post by kristoff on May 31, 2018 11:46:41 GMT
Give him preseason (I’d have cancelled his summer for full on fitness training) put into his mind that if he can light this league up he may get a big move somewhere. See if that can get him motivated
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Post by RAF on May 31, 2018 11:54:31 GMT
I wouldn't give the disgraceful prick the steam off my piss never mind another chance.
Fortunately for him it's not down to me and he may well get another chance. If this is the case I hope he grabs it with both hands trains hard and gives something back to the club that is paying astronomical wages for effective deadwood at the moment.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 31, 2018 11:58:05 GMT
No.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 31, 2018 12:20:39 GMT
I don't see why Rowett shouldn't have a look at him preseason and see if there's something there to work with - some managers just make certain players spark. If he can live up to his early promise (and it is a big if) we could have the best forward in the Championship in our front line. We need a goal scorer - it would be stupid just to let him go without seeing if we already have one in the squad.
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Post by dadofsam on May 31, 2018 12:47:15 GMT
Do players contracts get torn up if they fail drugs tests?
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 12:57:57 GMT
Do players contracts get torn up if they fail drugs tests? Didn't he fail the drugs test before he even signed for us? I still blame Hughes for this one (and many other of the big money signings), we had players of mostly limited ability before he arrived but you couldn't fault their attitude for the most part. Hughes replaced them with unquestionably more skilful players but unfortunately many of them just didn't give a fuck. Berahino needs to decide whether he still wants to be a professional footballer, if he does then we can turn this around, Rowett or any other manager can take a chance with him but it's up to him and him alone to prove he still wants it. It's a real waste of talent if he doesn't, but he wouldn't the the first and he won't be the last footballer who has never become the player they may have been. He'll probably end up like Lee Hendrie when he's 40, bankrupt with nothing to show for his career and no prospects, but at this point it's a very harsh comparison on Mr Hendrie, as Berahino isn't fit to lace his boots at present.
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Post by mjg13x on May 31, 2018 12:58:48 GMT
In the SCSL D-II
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Post by johnnysoul60 on May 31, 2018 12:59:42 GMT
NO NOR ANY OF THE OTHER SENIOR PLAYERS WHO HAVE BEEN SHIT OR ON LOAN THEY HAVE ALL HAD PLENTY OF CHANCES AND FAILED MISERABLY GET RID .
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Post by johnbutlershair on May 31, 2018 13:00:42 GMT
Do players contracts get torn up if they fail drugs tests? Adrian Mutus did
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Post by jezzascfc on May 31, 2018 13:02:29 GMT
No, not with us - get him a season long loan in the lower leagues (paying most of his wages) and see if he can recover some form. No one will want to pay us anything remotely close to what we paid for him right now, so we must try to rehabilitate him somehow, but not with us, as we cannot afford to risk his current horrendous form continuing and hampering our promotion bid.
If he gets a regular game and scores the odd goal, we may be able to get rid next summer for 4 or 5m and cut our losses.
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Post by arnie3010 on May 31, 2018 13:07:46 GMT
A last chance under Rowett
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 13:10:47 GMT
No, not with us - get him a season long loan in the lower leagues (paying most of his wages) and see if he can recover some form. No one will want to pay us anything remotely close to what we paid for him right now, so we must try to rehabilitate him somehow, but not with us, as we cannot afford to risk his current horrendous form continuing and hampering our promotion bid. If he gets a regular game and scores the odd goal, we may be able to get rid next summer for 4 or 5m and cut our losses. Yes I think that is the best (and maybe only) solution. See if Sunderland or somebody wants him for a season, with us paying most of his wages and then see where we are in 12 months time.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 31, 2018 13:14:29 GMT
If we can't negotiate his exit somehow (and it won't be an easy task ) it would be better to see if he can offer us something. Otherwise it's a ludicrous wage on a man doing nothing.
The whole situation is a big test of Gaz's motivational skills.
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Post by enuntio on May 31, 2018 13:22:50 GMT
No, not with us - get him a season long loan in the lower leagues (paying most of his wages) and see if he can recover some form. No one will want to pay us anything remotely close to what we paid for him right now, so we must try to rehabilitate him somehow, but not with us, as we cannot afford to risk his current horrendous form continuing and hampering our promotion bid. If he gets a regular game and scores the odd goal, we may be able to get rid next summer for 4 or 5m and cut our losses. Yes I think that is the best (and maybe only) solution. See if Sunderland or somebody wants him for a season, with us paying most of his wages and then see where we are in 12 months time. If we are to pay most of his wages then we may as well either play him or get him to sweep the stands.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 31, 2018 13:30:40 GMT
Will Berahino give himself a chance?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 13:33:02 GMT
Yes I think that is the best (and maybe only) solution. See if Sunderland or somebody wants him for a season, with us paying most of his wages and then see where we are in 12 months time. If we are to pay most of his wages then we may as well either play him or get him to sweep the stands. No (as has already been explained), we need to get back up as quickly as possible, so we don't have the luxury of giving him time to find form, ergo playing him isn't an option but if we can send him out on loan somewhere, then possibly, he might just start scoring again, which might result in us having more options next summer, than we have now.
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Post by chell_rosey on May 31, 2018 13:37:37 GMT
im no solicitor but surely if he is not following club rules and not conducting him self in a business like manner, then that is gross misconduct and should have the contract ripped up and should be dismissed the club should spend a bit of money on a decent solicitor and teach this twats who are taking the piss out of our club a lesson I agree in principle but it never happens like that does it and there must be a reason for that. I wonder if Berahino's lawyer would then argue for example that his ostracisation from the group by Lambert at the end of last season was done without due process being observed and as such was a breach of contract at the clubs end and no one would win except the lawyers. I'm not saying its right, only that is the way these things can go. Isn’t it about whether or not the club still feels he may have some resale/squad value IF they can get him focused and fit again? Also, I wonder how they’ve approached his alleged substance misuse and have they been trying to gather evidence for any contractual challenges they may be thinking of?
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Post by march4 on May 31, 2018 13:45:44 GMT
Would you give Berahino another chance next season or will it be thanks and fook off if you were Rowett? No, no and thrice no.
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Post by realstokebloke on May 31, 2018 13:47:56 GMT
If we're on about his contract, I'd be very tempted to take one out on him, the feckless wanker.
That, or invoice MLH & Farto personally for his wages every month.
Lord knows how we got into this mess. Pete & co must be absolutely fuming and the twat in the hat still laughing his cock off that we actually bought him.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 31, 2018 13:49:23 GMT
No, not with us - get him a season long loan in the lower leagues (paying most of his wages) and see if he can recover some form. No one will want to pay us anything remotely close to what we paid for him right now, so we must try to rehabilitate him somehow, but not with us, as we cannot afford to risk his current horrendous form continuing and hampering our promotion bid. If he gets a regular game and scores the odd goal, we may be able to get rid next summer for 4 or 5m and cut our losses. Yes I think that is the best (and maybe only) solution. See if Sunderland or somebody wants him for a season, with us paying most of his wages and then see where we are in 12 months time. Wonder how far down the food chain we'd have to go before finding someone willing to take him though? And would the idea of playing for Walsall or Shrewsbury float his boat? Mind you, if it doesn't, it's career over.
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Post by Gods on May 31, 2018 13:51:07 GMT
I agree in principle but it never happens like that does it and there must be a reason for that. I wonder if Berahino's lawyer would then argue for example that his ostracisation from the group by Lambert at the end of last season was done without due process being observed and as such was a breach of contract at the clubs end and no one would win except the lawyers. I'm not saying its right, only that is the way these things can go. Isn’t it about whether or not the club still feels he may have some resale/squad value IF they can get him focused and fit again?Also, I wonder how they’ve approached his alleged substance misuse and have they been trying to gather evidence for any contractual challenges they may be thinking of? I think that's a very good point. In addition I suppose once you are dragging the guy through a court room you can pretty much forget about getting a fee for him on the open market. You can hardly claim he is of good character and just misunderstood can you?!
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 31, 2018 13:51:29 GMT
The whole transfer process of this individual will remain a stain on the careers of all involved who sanctioned it.
Following his purchase this individual has demonstrated a complete lack of professionalism, self-respect, respect for his employers and the clubs stakeholders (including us as paying customers and the clubs sponsors) and yet still some will say give him “another” chance.
This individual has been a significant member of that clique of players that have played a major part in our relegation. Give him “another chance” FFS
If that chance were to be given what type of message would it send out to the clubs players (at every level) and more importantly players that are potential targets in the transfer window (s).
SCFC must be a laughing stock throughout football for this piece of transfer business above all others.
Those who participated in this catastrophic piece of transfer business should hang their heads in shame and live with the consequences. The exception being Leslie who has moved on to pastures new and another £
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