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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 13:56:50 GMT
Yes I think that is the best (and maybe only) solution. See if Sunderland or somebody wants him for a season, with us paying most of his wages and then see where we are in 12 months time. Wonder how far down the food chain we'd have to go before finding someone willing to take him though? And would the idea of playing for Walsall or Shrewsbury float his boat? Mind you, if it doesn't, it's career over. Blackburn/Bolton/Wigan/Sunderland?
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Post by Olgrligm on May 31, 2018 14:00:06 GMT
I'm genuinely struggling to see who would take him off us and make a meaningful contribution to his wages. How many teams would actually want him? Even the Vale might think twice...
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Post by crapslinger on May 31, 2018 14:00:57 GMT
If we're on about his contract, I'd be very tempted to take one out on him, the feckless wanker.
That, or invoice MLH & Farto personally for his wages every month.
Lord knows how we got into this mess. Pete & co must be absolutely fuming and the twat in the hat still laughing his cock off that we actually bought him. Drop him off in Burundi let him find his own way back.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 31, 2018 14:04:33 GMT
Wonder how far down the food chain we'd have to go before finding someone willing to take him though? And would the idea of playing for Walsall or Shrewsbury float his boat? Mind you, if it doesn't, it's career over. Blackburn/Bolton/Wigan/Sunderland? Suppose it's possible you might find one small C'ship club. But what % of his wages could they find? 10%? Even teams like Wigan have someone like Will Grigg who got 25-30 goals last season, and Blackburn had Danny Graham and Adam Armstrong who scored a lot in the second half of last season. Berahino would be a total wild card, with awful on-pitch and off-pitch baggage. It'd be a brave move for any manager to introduce that. Maybe you're more likely in League One to find a team who would buy the lottery ticket, but they'd be only contributing pence to the loan. But if that's what it takes to get him playing again....
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 14:04:59 GMT
I'm genuinely struggling to see who would take him off us and make a meaningful contribution to his wages. How many teams would actually want him? Even the Vale might think twice... I'm pretty certain that there isn't a club anywhere who would be willing to make a meaningful contribution to his wages, so I think we can forget that option. But we're going to have to pay his wages anyway, so we might as well let him go somewhere, where there is an outside chance that his stock might rise.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2018 14:08:50 GMT
Wonder how far down the food chain we'd have to go before finding someone willing to take him though? And would the idea of playing for Walsall or Shrewsbury float his boat? Mind you, if it doesn't, it's career over. Blackburn/Bolton/Wigan/Sunderland? 3 are direct Championship rivals, I wouldn't like that tbh! Sunderland might float his boat. But then it's "fancy a move to Scunthorpe to Saido? Saido? Where'd he go?".
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 14:13:14 GMT
Blackburn/Bolton/Wigan/Sunderland? 3 are direct Championship rivals, I wouldn't like that tbh! Sunderland might float his boat. But then it's "fancy a move to Scunthorpe to Saido? Saido? Where'd he go?". We're favourites for the title, it's not massively different to Citeh loaning us Bony is it? Apart from we'd be paying all of his wages but there's nowt we can do about that. I was trying to get the balance right between something he'd accept and a club who would accept him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2018 14:16:40 GMT
3 are direct Championship rivals, I wouldn't like that tbh! Sunderland might float his boat. But then it's "fancy a move to Scunthorpe to Saido? Saido? Where'd he go?". We're favourites for the title, it's not massively different to Citeh loaning us Bony is it? Apart from we'd be paying all of his wages but there's nowt we can do about that. I was trying to get the balance right between something he'd accept and a club who would accept him. We're favourites because we were relegated. That means next to fuck all imo. I want to see what we've come the start of the season transfer wise before I think we can even make the play offs. We've started well with the manager appointment but that's the tip of the iceberg. And I get that but I wouldn't feel comfortable with that in case he did do well. But that's just me.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 31, 2018 14:18:55 GMT
The whole transfer process of this individual will remain a stain on the careers of all involved who sanctioned it. Following his purchase this individual has demonstrated a complete lack of professionalism, self-respect, respect for his employers and the clubs stakeholders (including us as paying customers and the clubs sponsors) and yet still some will say give him “another” chance. This individual has been a significant member of that clique of players that have played a major part in our relegation. Give him “another chance” FFS If that chance were to be given what type of message would it send out to the clubs players (at every level) and more importantly players that are potential targets in the transfer window (s). SCFC must be a laughing stock throughout football for this piece of transfer business above all others. Those who participated in this catastrophic piece of transfer business should hang their heads in shame and live with the consequences. The exception being Leslie who has moved on to pastures new and another £ Strange nobody has ever mentioned that before really. 😉
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Post by jezzascfc on May 31, 2018 14:21:07 GMT
Blackburn/Bolton/Wigan/Sunderland? Suppose it's possible you might find one small C'ship club. But what % of his wages could they find? 10%? Even teams like Wigan have someone like Will Grigg who got 25-30 goals last season, and Blackburn had Danny Graham and Adam Armstrong who scored a lot in the second half of last season. Berahino would be a total wild card, with awful on-pitch and off-pitch baggage. It'd be a brave move for any manager to introduce that. Maybe you're more likely in League One to find a team who would buy the lottery ticket, but they'd be only contributing pence to the loan. But if that's what it takes to get him playing again.... Championship clubs may have the same view as us, that he is too great a risk - what about a Coventry/Walsall/Shrewsbury type? Local enough to keep an eye on him and he does not have to move. They may be able to pay 5 to 10% of wages, but that is immaterial really. We let Walsall have Ngoy last year, maybe Berahino can be next? His whole career hangs in the balance right now.
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Post by superheroantonius on May 31, 2018 14:21:52 GMT
Basically he should be sacked for being a lazy , can't be arsed , druggie
Except we can't sack him for a being a lazy , can't be arsed druggie , who can't pass the drugs test for a footballer
Because we already knew that about him , when we signed him !
Unbelievable !
Best thing is for scholes and carto to be dismissed and start a fresh
What more do they have to do , to be shown , the door ???
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 14:24:35 GMT
We're favourites for the title, it's not massively different to Citeh loaning us Bony is it? Apart from we'd be paying all of his wages but there's nowt we can do about that. I was trying to get the balance right between something he'd accept and a club who would accept him. We're favourites because we were relegated. That means next to fuck all imo. I want to see what we've come the start of the season transfer wise before I think we can even make the play offs. We've started well with the manager appointment but that's the tip of the iceberg. And I get that but I wouldn't feel comfortable with that in case he did do well. But that's just me. Something's going to have to give though isn't it? What would you do with him if he refused to drop down to League 1?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2018 14:26:24 GMT
We're favourites because we were relegated. That means next to fuck all imo. I want to see what we've come the start of the season transfer wise before I think we can even make the play offs. We've started well with the manager appointment but that's the tip of the iceberg. And I get that but I wouldn't feel comfortable with that in case he did do well. But that's just me. Something's going to have to give though isn't it? What would you do with him if he refused to drop down to League 1? You've got to keep him haven't you? That's his choice and he has every right to refuse that move. That's the situation we're in. It's a very shit one but there's not much we can do. I really do think we're stuck between a rock and a hard place with him.
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Post by superheroantonius on May 31, 2018 14:31:26 GMT
He can't train with young players because of his attitude
He can't play with the first team because he is not good enough to play in the championship
Perhaps loan him out to a sister club in Germany or America ??
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 14:33:50 GMT
Something's going to have to give though isn't it? What would you do with him if he refused to drop down to League 1? You've got to keep him haven't you? That's his choice and he has every right to refuse that move. That's the situation we're in. It's a very shit one but there's not much we can do. I really do think we're stuck between a rock and a hard place with him. That's why I'd have to bite the bullet and see if any clubs who we see as being unlikely to be rivals would be interested. We can't just do nothing, for the rest of his contract.
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Post by enuntio on May 31, 2018 14:42:27 GMT
Absolutely no to paying another club to play him. Keep him in house, sort him out (if possible) Or take a hit and sell him.
I'm always the optimist, He may yet come good
;-p
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Post by lordb on May 31, 2018 14:42:53 GMT
The op is asking the wrong question.
Can Berahino give himself a chance by getting fitting and turning up on time e.t.c.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 31, 2018 14:43:16 GMT
You've got to keep him haven't you? That's his choice and he has every right to refuse that move. That's the situation we're in. It's a very shit one but there's not much we can do. I really do think we're stuck between a rock and a hard place with him. That's why I'd have to bite the bullet and see if any clubs who we see as being unlikely to be rivals would be interested. We can't just do nothing, for the rest of his contract. Alternatively see if we can get a few goals from him. You never know. A lower level might help him.
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Post by JoeinOz on May 31, 2018 14:44:08 GMT
The op is asking the wrong question. Can Berahino give himself a chance by getting fitting and turning up on time e.t.c. Good point. Within him somewhere there must be a shred of professionalism.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 14:52:10 GMT
That's why I'd have to bite the bullet and see if any clubs who we see as being unlikely to be rivals would be interested. We can't just do nothing, for the rest of his contract. Alternatively see if we can get a few goals from him. You never know. A lower level might help him. We don't have that luxury though Joe do we? We've got to be totally focused on getting ourselves straight back up, not waiting around to see if a player may or may not hit some form.
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Post by mermaidsal on May 31, 2018 14:58:59 GMT
If we are not able to give him away because no one will match his wage then I don't see why not. You'd hope Rowett would at least be willing to try, after all we paid up the remaining £2m of his contract at Derby to secure his services so you'd like to think he brings with him some kind of value add/midas touch wouldn't you?! Rowett would need to get inside his head, succeed where those before him have failed, earn his 6 figure income. I think he'd like to try although he may quickly find himself utterly exasperated! What's with all this milk of human kindness mallarkey Gods? For many players who haven't done it for some or other reason I'd feel the same as you but with Bera, sorry no, we should just cut our losses and move on. The guy is like Sammy Bang Bang without the talent.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2018 15:05:27 GMT
You've got to keep him haven't you? That's his choice and he has every right to refuse that move. That's the situation we're in. It's a very shit one but there's not much we can do. I really do think we're stuck between a rock and a hard place with him. That's why I'd have to bite the bullet and see if any clubs who we see as being unlikely to be rivals would be interested. We can't just do nothing, for the rest of his contract. Giving him the chance ourselves isn't doing nothing.....
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2018 15:08:55 GMT
That's why I'd have to bite the bullet and see if any clubs who we see as being unlikely to be rivals would be interested. We can't just do nothing, for the rest of his contract. Giving him the chance ourselves isn't doing nothing..... You genuinely think that's an option? You'll be going mental on here if we start the season with Berahino playing. As I've just said to Joe, we need to be totally focused on promotion, not hoping against hope that Berahino might somehow come good for us.
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Post by boothenesque on May 31, 2018 15:11:19 GMT
Get rid. Recruiting players like him led to our demise and he's a parasite stealing from us. If there is any chance of going back up we need a team spirit where each is giving their all together for the cause. This parasite is divisive, a waster, a nobhead and shit, why would anyone in their right mind pay money for that? Should simply be frogmarched from the premises by security.
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Post by soulsurvivor on May 31, 2018 15:11:52 GMT
It amazes me how we would not consider giving him a chance at championship level. When he arrived, i saw a player making runs and wanting the ball but Hughes style of play and perseverance with a wing back system saw him starved of service. He never recovered from the penalty miss and the rest is history.Its not if he deserves a chance, he has to play for his and our sakes and I see no reason he wont be a success
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 31, 2018 15:16:03 GMT
It amazes me how we would not consider giving him a chance at championship level. When he arrived, i saw a player making runs and wanting the ball but Hughes style of play and perseverance with a wing back system saw him starved of service. He never recovered from the penalty miss and the rest is history.Its not if he deserves a chance, he has to play for his and our sakes and I see no reason he wont be a success Here's a few reasons. He has no pace He doesn't get into good positions He doesn't look interested He doesn't look fit He can't even be arsed to turn up to training on time
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Post by boothenesque on May 31, 2018 15:16:51 GMT
But putting aside his questionable ability compare his attitude to others that are at or have been at the club, we don't need people like this, they're toxic
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2018 15:18:22 GMT
Giving him the chance ourselves isn't doing nothing..... You genuinely think that's an option? You'll be going mental on here if we start the season with Berahino playing. As I've just said to Joe, we need to be totally focused on promotion, not hoping against hope that Berahino might somehow come good for us. I'd have been playing at the end of season Paul or at least having him on the bench. I really don't think he's as bad as he's portrayed, personality or football wise.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on May 31, 2018 15:19:29 GMT
No i wouldnt . There is no way we would get promoted with him up front.He is nothing short of useless. Get rid
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Post by cousindupree on May 31, 2018 15:20:40 GMT
The op is asking the wrong question. Can Berahino give himself a chance by getting fitting and turning up on time e.t.c. Good point. Within him somewhere there must be a shred of professionalism. I have a feeling that he doesn't have any love for the sport he is paid to do. I have only played sport at an amateur/fun level, but I still have a genuine love and desire for the sports I play. I am really pissed off if for some reason my tennis or golf is cancelled. I can't believe his ego will handle playing for the likes of Coventry or Walsall. Anyhow I guess the traffic on the M6 is as bad as it always was. He would never get to training or the match on time. I think he will just go through the motions and pick up his mega salary until the club make him an offer to buy up his contract and he can concentrate on the things he enjoys.
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