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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 20:53:37 GMT
If Jack has any ambition to be England's no1 he simply must be in the premier league. Sadly any midtable will do and his fee will reflect that and it will be 15m at most. The current England squad contains zero championship players. Not sure that Southgate even knows there is a second tier of football. Yeah but who would feasibly get anywhere near the England squad under any manager from the Championship? Maybe Sessegnon but even Maddison and Graelish would be pretty mad shouts
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jun 7, 2018 21:01:43 GMT
If Jack has any ambition to be England's no1 he simply must be in the premier league. Sadly any midtable will do and his fee will reflect that and it will be 15m at most. The current England squad contains zero championship players. Not sure that Southgate even knows there is a second tier of football. I don't know how you come. To the conclusion that butland will only fetch 15 million. We are signing afobe for nearly that. He won't be going anywhere at that price. Someone will offer 25 million. He has years and years of top flight football ahead of him. In my view he should fetch the same as pickford
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Post by Absolution on Jun 7, 2018 21:09:29 GMT
£15m is laughable. I'd be gutted if he left for less than double that. We've got to tough this one out and not let him go for a penny less than the club value him at. If he doesn't like it, that's too bad.
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Post by rawli on Jun 7, 2018 21:12:15 GMT
Liverpool have apparently been quoted £80m for Oblak or Alisson. Might make them interested in Jack at £25 - £30m again I guess 🤔 Your prices are way way out . Did Jurgen and his team tell you that?
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 7, 2018 21:12:27 GMT
30-35 milllion easy
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Post by questionable on Jun 7, 2018 21:24:27 GMT
Obviously Teflon has it covered lads don’t worry:
20% To Birmingham 15% To His Agent -25 % Sell on Clause 10% Offering Haaguard a New Contract
30% Towards Transfer kitty.
Why all the fuss
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Post by metalhead on Jun 8, 2018 8:43:01 GMT
The best we can hope for is Jordan Pickford starts for England. Butland won't be in the shop window. Bingo.
He won't be happy though.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 8, 2018 8:56:40 GMT
I think there is a outside chance that Butland could stay because only lower end Prem teams will be interested.
Top half teams will look at his inconsistencies last season I think
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 9:02:42 GMT
The best we can hope for is Jordan Pickford starts for England. Butland won't be in the shop window. Bingo. He won't be happy though. Surely the best we can hope for is that Butland starts every ganme, plays out of his skin, helps us to win the World Cup before being crowned player of the tournament. Isn't it?
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 8, 2018 9:10:47 GMT
If Jack has any ambition to be England's no1 he simply must be in the premier league. Sadly any midtable will do and his fee will reflect that and it will be 15m at most. The current England squad contains zero championship players. Not sure that Southgate even knows there is a second tier of football. I don't know how you come. To the conclusion that butland will only fetch 15 million. We are signing afobe for nearly that. He won't be going anywhere at that price. Someone will offer 25 million. He has years and years of top flight football ahead of him. In my view he should fetch the same as pickford We will be desperate to sell to raise some funds for new recruits especially if Allen stays and Shaq has to be given away for peanuts. There will be few shoppers...the likes of West Ham, maybe Wolves perhaps Brighton and that will dictate the price we can get also remember who will be doing the negotiating for us....the dynamic duo pizza boys.
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Post by loosestools on Jun 8, 2018 10:20:37 GMT
I don't know how you come. To the conclusion that butland will only fetch 15 million. We are signing afobe for nearly that. He won't be going anywhere at that price. Someone will offer 25 million. He has years and years of top flight football ahead of him. In my view he should fetch the same as pickford We will be desperate to sell to raise some funds for new recruits especially if Allen stays and Shaq has to be given away for peanuts. There will be few shoppers...the likes of West Ham, maybe Wolves perhaps Brighton and that will dictate the price we can get also remember who will be doing the negotiating for us....the dynamic duo pizza boys. Butland to Brighton! The world is falling apart around me.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jun 8, 2018 11:39:03 GMT
Unless its a top club there would be no chance of him leaving, cos they might be relegated next year. Could do with Pickford getting clobbered in training before the start of the World Cup - Butland has a blinder and Liverpool replace Karious with him. Do we really want him to stay?
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 8, 2018 18:42:13 GMT
Unless its a top club there would be no chance of him leaving, cos they might be relegated next year. Could do with Pickford getting clobbered in training before the start of the World Cup - Butland has a blinder and Liverpool replace Karious with him. Do we really want him to stay? We either want him to have a great WC and increase his value so a top club comes along and pays a record fee for him. Or we want him to have an anonymous WC and no one is prepared to pay a decent amount and he stays with us to help reestablish Prem status. The worst scenario is we sell him for £12-15m and he spends next season picking the ball out of the net for a relegation team. That would be no good for us, or him.
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Post by M on Jun 8, 2018 19:02:32 GMT
As great as it would be seeing him stay (solid keeper and a genuine pro) he's our most saleable asset, especially if Allen is staying and Shaq leaving for shag all (probably less than we pay for Afobe if that's happening).
Surely him going is vital to us funding our promotion push???
Unless the Coates boys are digging deep and literally going balls deep this season and risking it all on an immediate bounce back...?
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 8, 2018 19:20:27 GMT
I don't know how you come. To the conclusion that butland will only fetch 15 million. We are signing afobe for nearly that. He won't be going anywhere at that price. Someone will offer 25 million. He has years and years of top flight football ahead of him. In my view he should fetch the same as pickford We will be desperate to sell to raise some funds for new recruits especially if Allen stays and Shaq has to be given away for peanuts. There will be few shoppers...the likes of West Ham, maybe Wolves perhaps Brighton and that will dictate the price we can get also remember who will be doing the negotiating for us....the dynamic duo pizza boys. Agreed. Add Southampton. Or hope there is some movement e.g. De Gea to Madrid, Schmeichel to Man U, Butland to Leicester;
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Post by jzime on Jun 8, 2018 19:20:40 GMT
I honestly believe that selling Jack Butland is important this summer, unfortunately.
If we want to get promoted, to be blunt, the goalkeeper should not be too busy for a lot of the season; we should be able to get by from signing one of the more promising young British ones from somewhere, for a good price.
If Butland stays this summer and we fail to get promotion, his value will plummet and we will probably find ourselves under pressure to sell in order to meet FFP. I know it's very much a doomsday scenario and I do not see the Coates family allowing it to happen, but you only have to look at what is happening at Villa now (or any number of clubs in the last two decades) to understand how badly this can go if you get the finances wrong.
There is no reason why we cannot get immediately back up if we get everything right this summer, and I am allowing myself to be cautiously optimistic at the moment. But promotion is not a given. If we are going to keep Allen, Shawcross and Martins Indi (which I obviously hope we are able to do), we really have to sell Butland for big money to protect the club in the long-term.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jun 8, 2018 19:35:16 GMT
I think with Jack being named as number 2 by Southgate it will make jack more determined for a move to a top 10 prem club to try and get that number 1 spot for England.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 8, 2018 20:03:56 GMT
Ridiculous. What on earth would be the point of selling Jack for £15m?
Adds nothing to the kitty and we'd spend it easily on a replacement. He's under contract with no exit clause. Stoke have set the bar at £30m and that's where it is as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 9, 2018 1:35:42 GMT
What would you consider "reasonably good money"? My premises above included not receiving an offer over £20, and no offer sufficiently attractive to Butland. Do you think he would accept an offer to go to Wolves? I'm just theorising. It's not a realistic premise though ... we WILL be offered over £20 million for him. Why is it a given that we'll have a 20m+ bid? He's not going to play at the world cup, he's had a poor season and no top 6 club will come in for him. Do you really think a mid / bottom table Prem club will want to pay 20m for an out of sorts keeper? I think he'll be here next season, not because he wants to stay but because he'll have no better options.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 9, 2018 1:51:23 GMT
It maybe that JB won’t have any options that would enhance his career (to his desired level) at this moment in time.
When you look at which clubs “may” consider him at the value SCFC will place on him the options may be as a number 2 which I would imagine be a non starter from his perspective. Last season he was part of a defence that at one stage had shipped more goals than any other side in Europe. His CV will be tarnished by that.
Perhaps if he were to stay with us for another season and we were successful, especially from a defence point of view his stock would rise again. He’s still young with a long career in front of him. He may view it as taking one step backwards to move forward again
IMHO I would be over the moon to see him in our colours next season behind a well drilled and organised defence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 5:48:46 GMT
It maybe that JB won’t have any options that would enhance his career (to his desired level) at this moment in time. When you look at which clubs “may” consider him at the value SCFC will place on him the options may be as a number 2 which I would imagine be a non starter from his perspective. Last season he was part of a defence that at one stage had shipped more goals than any other side in Europe. His CV will be tarnished by that. Perhaps if he were to stay with us for another season and we were successful, especially from a defence point of view his stock would rise again. He’s still young with a long career in front of him. He may view it as taking one step backwards to move forward again IMHO I would be over the moon to see him in our colours next season behind a well drilled and organised defence. This. I actually think JB will be back with his tail between his legs next season. I can’t see the top 6 wanting him, and his best bet might be Wolves or West Ham, beyond that, I’m not too sure.
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Post by stokeykez on Jun 9, 2018 6:14:42 GMT
I think he will go to west ham. Hart has gone back to man city and they are touting round fabianski, Jack is seriously better than him
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Post by essexstokey on Jun 9, 2018 7:31:54 GMT
Interesting statement on the stoke site saying they hope he will stay etc etc link
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Post by teenagefanclub on Jun 9, 2018 8:43:19 GMT
I don't think he'll go anywhere. Top pro. One of life's good guys. And I think he's one who blames himself for relegation and will want to put it right.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 9, 2018 9:47:11 GMT
I don't think he'll go anywhere. Top pro. One of life's good guys. And I think he's one who blames himself for relegation and will want to put it right. I'm not sure about your first statement, he will be under pressure to go if Stoke get a good offer and his agent will want a pay day. The other 3 comments hit the nail on the head. He was really upset when we were relegated. I think he knows in his heart of heart that he contributed to the relegation with his mistakes and he has not yet got back to the level he was before he was injured. A year playing behind a winning team, would do him a lot more good than another season picking the ball out of the net. Stoke is a goal keepers club and he will feel at home here. Better than going and sitting on the bench at a CL club like begovic did.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 9, 2018 10:17:28 GMT
I don't think he'll go anywhere. Top pro. One of life's good guys. And I think he's one who blames himself for relegation and will want to put it right. I'm not sure about your first statement, he will be under pressure to go if Stoke get a good offer and his agent will want a pay day. The other 3 comments hit the nail on the head. He was really upset when we were relegated. I think he knows in his heart of heart that he contributed to the relegation with his mistakes and he has not yet got back to the level he was before he was injured. A year playing behind a winning team, would do him a lot more good than another season picking the ball out of the net. Stoke is a goal keepers club and he will feel at home here. Better than going and sitting on the bench at a CL club like begovic did. In fairness to him he already turned down the chance to sit on Chelsea's bench. Albeit that was at a different stage of his career.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 10:25:38 GMT
Interesting statement on the stoke site saying they hope he will stay etc etc linkWould be huge if we kept him
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 10:26:30 GMT
I don't think he'll go anywhere. Top pro. One of life's good guys. And I think he's one who blames himself for relegation and will want to put it right. He's not one of lifes good guys, cheated on his long term childhood girlfriend with an air hostess
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Post by borat on Jun 9, 2018 10:31:20 GMT
If Jack stays I'll eat my own arse, not a chance!!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 9, 2018 11:39:24 GMT
If Jack stays I'll eat my own arse, not a chance!! Would you like cheese with that sir 😉 , not saying he will stay but if he does how exactly do yiu propose to complete this challenge .
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