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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 19:59:43 GMT
Nailed on to be number 1 at Anfield next season. I just hope we get 40m plus maybe ings or a fringe player
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Post by FullerMagic on May 24, 2018 7:06:31 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 24, 2018 7:09:45 GMT
If that's the best he can attract he might as well stay and get us back up.
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Post by tony1234 on May 24, 2018 8:11:44 GMT
The last several relegated teams have basically spent an average of about 30m less than they have bought after relegation. (Newcastle spent 70m and sold 100m, sunderland spent 1m and sold 30m, Hull it was spend 17 and sell 40m etc) So, if we need to recoup 30m in order to help rebuild, I'd prefer 35m-40m for Jack and the chance to buy Bentley (Brentfd GK, 5m), Dwight Gayle 10m + Luongo (QPR, 6m) a 2m signing on fee for Bobby Reid - and make 15m headway into what we need to save at the same time.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 7, 2018 17:30:20 GMT
If Butland has a poor WC, and if no club wants to stump up a decent offer over £20m., and if none of the big clubs come for him, and if Joe and Ryan confirm they are staying, and if the club makes a few decent signings soon, and if Rowlett can sweet talk him well enough,
could Jack be still with us next season and take his chances of a big attractive move in January?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 7, 2018 17:32:08 GMT
IF we do get reasonably good money for him then I think that money being spent to improve the squad is better use to him staying, imo. Especially now it looks like Allen is staying, that's a sizeable fee we aren't going to receive.
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Post by smallthorner on Jun 7, 2018 17:36:21 GMT
If Butland has a poor WC, and if no club wants to stump up a decent offer over £20m., and if none of the big clubs come for him, and if Joe and Ryan confirm they are staying, and if the club makes a few decent signings soon, and if Rowlett can sweet talk him well enough, could Jack be still with us next season and take his chances of a big attractive move in January? If he has a howler tonight then there maybe a tiny chance he could stay.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 7, 2018 18:05:46 GMT
IF we do get reasonably good money for him then I think that money being spent to improve the squad is better use to him staying, imo. Especially now it looks like Allen is staying, that's a sizeable fee we aren't going to receive. What would you consider "reasonably good money"? My premises above included not receiving an offer over £20, and no offer sufficiently attractive to Butland. Do you think he would accept an offer to go to Wolves? I'm just theorising.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 7, 2018 18:09:46 GMT
He'll definitely go, needs Premiership football if he wants to be # 1
Who was the last England number 1 keeper from the Championship?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 7, 2018 18:11:08 GMT
IF we do get reasonably good money for him then I think that money being spent to improve the squad is better use to him staying, imo. Especially now it looks like Allen is staying, that's a sizeable fee we aren't going to receive. What would you consider "reasonably good money"? My premises above included not receiving an offer over £20, and no offer sufficiently attractive to Butland. Do you think he would accept an offer to go to Wolves? I'm just theorising. Why wouldn’t he sorry?
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 7, 2018 18:16:34 GMT
IF we do get reasonably good money for him then I think that money being spent to improve the squad is better use to him staying, imo. Especially now it looks like Allen is staying, that's a sizeable fee we aren't going to receive. What would you consider "reasonably good money"? My premises above included not receiving an offer over £20, and no offer sufficiently attractive to Butland. Do you think he would accept an offer to go to Wolves? I'm just theorising. I think Butland is in the £25m area to be honest, £30m would be good business. He is a very good keeper but he is light years away from the likes of De Gea, Courtois and Ederson. He will, as reported go to a lower/middling Premier league club like Wolves, West Ham, Watord or Newcastle etc,
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Post by fulagoals on Jun 7, 2018 18:45:36 GMT
My gut feeling is that he will still be a stoke player next season.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 7, 2018 18:50:35 GMT
What would you consider "reasonably good money"? My premises above included not receiving an offer over £20, and no offer sufficiently attractive to Butland. Do you think he would accept an offer to go to Wolves? I'm just theorising. I think Butland is in the £25m area to be honest, £30m would be good business. He is a very good keeper but he is light years away from the likes of De Gea, Courtois and Ederson. He will, as reported go to a lower/middling Premier league club like Wolves, West Ham, Watord or Newcastle etc, Perhaps for an outfield player but in Jack's case someone would be buying 15 10-12 years of top class keeper already an international.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 7, 2018 18:52:49 GMT
What would you consider "reasonably good money"? My premises above included not receiving an offer over £20, and no offer sufficiently attractive to Butland. Do you think he would accept an offer to go to Wolves? I'm just theorising. I think Butland is in the £25m area to be honest, £30m would be good business. He is a very good keeper but he is light years away from the likes of De Gea, Courtois and Ederson. He will, as reported go to a lower/middling Premier league club like Wolves, West Ham, Watord or Newcastle etc, Don't necessarily think he's light years away from De Gea, Ederson or Courtois, just think he had a pretty shit team in front of him last season....put any of those three behind our team last season and they'd be looking pretty average by now!!! Okay, that blunder at Leicester was pretty painful, but it's not like Jack to be doing that on a regular basis, hope for his sake he doesn't make one of those bloopers during the World Cup!!!
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Post by nonameface on Jun 7, 2018 18:56:37 GMT
Would we actually want to keep him ahead of £20-30m?
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Post by Veritas on Jun 7, 2018 18:56:45 GMT
I think Butland is in the £25m area to be honest, £30m would be good business. He is a very good keeper but he is light years away from the likes of De Gea, Courtois and Ederson. He will, as reported go to a lower/middling Premier league club like Wolves, West Ham, Watord or Newcastle etc, Don't necessarily think he's light years away from De Gea, Ederson or Courtois, just think he had a pretty shit team in front of him last season....put any of those three behind our team last season and they'd be looking pretty average by now!!! Okay, that blunder at Leicester was pretty painful, but it's not like Jack to be doing that on a regular basis, hope for his sake he doesn't make one of those bloopers during the World Cup!!! He won't as he won't be playing, which will be a massive spur for him to leave
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Post by questionable on Jun 7, 2018 19:00:35 GMT
Nailed on to be number 1 at Anfield next season. I just hope we get 40m plus maybe ings or a fringe player He was 100% as you say nailed on to me number 1 at Anfield but I was told they’d cooled their interest over the past few months
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 7, 2018 19:01:40 GMT
I think Butland is in the £25m area to be honest, £30m would be good business. He is a very good keeper but he is light years away from the likes of De Gea, Courtois and Ederson. He will, as reported go to a lower/middling Premier league club like Wolves, West Ham, Watord or Newcastle etc, Perhaps for an outfield player but in Jack's case someone would be buying 15 10-12 years of top class keeper already an international. You have the elite group of keepers that I've mentioned and then there are a few who are of similar ability and Jack fits that group. Pickford went to Everton for £25m and as much as I don't like to admit it is a little better than Jack at the moment. I hope De Gea or Courtois, or even better both, get moves this summer as that would would push Jack's value higher but at the moment he is worth £25m in my opinion.
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 7, 2018 19:17:34 GMT
If Jack has any ambition to be England's no1 he simply must be in the premier league. Sadly any midtable will do and his fee will reflect that and it will be 15m at most. The current England squad contains zero championship players. Not sure that Southgate even knows there is a second tier of football.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 7, 2018 19:37:26 GMT
If Jack has any ambition to be England's no1 he simply must be in the premier league. Sadly any midtable will do and his fee will reflect that and it will be 15m at most. The current England squad contains zero championship players. Not sure that Southgate even knows there is a second tier of football. he’ll go for an absolute minimum of 25m
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 7, 2018 19:40:42 GMT
IF we do get reasonably good money for him then I think that money being spent to improve the squad is better use to him staying, imo. Especially now it looks like Allen is staying, that's a sizeable fee we aren't going to receive. What would you consider "reasonably good money"? My premises above included not receiving an offer over £20, and no offer sufficiently attractive to Butland. Do you think he would accept an offer to go to Wolves? I'm just theorising. It's not a realistic premise though ... we WILL be offered over £20 million for him.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 7, 2018 20:03:36 GMT
The last several relegated teams have basically spent an average of about 30m less than they have bought after relegation. (Newcastle spent 70m and sold 100m, sunderland spent 1m and sold 30m, Hull it was spend 17 and sell 40m etc) So, if we need to recoup 30m in order to help rebuild, I'd prefer 35m-40m for Jack and the chance to buy Bentley (Brentfd GK, 5m), Dwight Gayle 10m + Luongo (QPR, 6m) a 2m signing on fee for Bobby Reid - and make 15m headway into what we need to save at the same time. The averages mean nothing and you need to look at wGes plus transfers. Newcastle has a wage bill of £80 million and write off £20 million of contracts. We could spend £60 million but only pay £20 million in cash. I have been told the owners are willing to pay what it takes
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Post by neddy on Jun 7, 2018 20:04:27 GMT
The last several relegated teams have basically spent an average of about 30m less than they have bought after relegation. (Newcastle spent 70m and sold 100m, sunderland spent 1m and sold 30m, Hull it was spend 17 and sell 40m etc) So, if we need to recoup 30m in order to help rebuild, I'd prefer 35m-40m for Jack and the chance to buy Bentley (Brentfd GK, 5m), Dwight Gayle 10m + Luongo (QPR, 6m) a 2m signing on fee for Bobby Reid - and make 15m headway into what we need to save at the same time. The averages mean nothing and you need to look at wGes plus transfers. Newcastle has a wage bill of £80 million and write off £20 million of contracts. We could spend £60 million but only pay £20 million in cash. I have been told the owners are willing to pay what it takes By who?
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Post by jamerg on Jun 7, 2018 20:10:12 GMT
Liverpool have apparently been quoted £80m for Oblak or Alisson. Might make them interested in Jack at £25 - £30m again I guess 🤔
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 7, 2018 20:10:39 GMT
The last several relegated teams have basically spent an average of about 30m less than they have bought after relegation. (Newcastle spent 70m and sold 100m, sunderland spent 1m and sold 30m, Hull it was spend 17 and sell 40m etc) So, if we need to recoup 30m in order to help rebuild, I'd prefer 35m-40m for Jack and the chance to buy Bentley (Brentfd GK, 5m), Dwight Gayle 10m + Luongo (QPR, 6m) a 2m signing on fee for Bobby Reid - and make 15m headway into what we need to save at the same time. The averages mean nothing and you need to look at wGes plus transfers. Newcastle has a wage bill of £80 million and write off £20 million of contracts. We could spend £60 million but only pay £20 million in cash. I have been told the owners are willing to pay what it takes I agree that there are lots of permutations of wages vs fees that could work But forgive me if I think that the idea the owners will "pay what it takes" is horseshit, based on 3 years of evidence.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jun 7, 2018 20:11:22 GMT
Liverpool have apparently been quoted £80m for Oblak or Alisson. Might make them interested in Jack at £25 - £30m again I guess 🤔 Your prices are way way out .
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Post by questionable on Jun 7, 2018 20:13:05 GMT
Liverpool have apparently been quoted £80m for Oblak or Alisson. Might make them interested in Jack at £25 - £30m again I guess 🤔 Your prices are way way out . So are/were Liverpool interested?
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Post by jamerg on Jun 7, 2018 20:13:20 GMT
Liverpool have apparently been quoted £80m for Oblak or Alisson. Might make them interested in Jack at £25 - £30m again I guess 🤔 Your prices are way way out . The prices for Oblak and Alisson are what’s rumoured in the Guardian today. I’ve got no idea myself. And don’t go around pretending that I do.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jun 7, 2018 20:32:45 GMT
Would we actually want to keep him ahead of £20-30m? Because if we get promoted it will be worth a lot more than 30m
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Post by riproaringagain on Jun 7, 2018 20:52:36 GMT
Liverpool have apparently been quoted £80m for Oblak or Alisson. Might make them interested in Jack at £25 - £30m again I guess 🤔 Your prices are way way out . So what have you heard price wise Lambert said 35m would buy his left glove in a presser
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