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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 14, 2017 12:58:35 GMT
Manning up is calling other people cunts via the anonymity of social media? Seriously? I think it does show how thinned skinned someone is and the first person I can think of is Cameron. He clearly searches his name on Twitter and looked on here. Why would you do that? You're asking for trouble. Which is deflecting from my OP which was basically (hypocrisy ahead) calling people cunts for calling people cunts.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2017 13:37:46 GMT
I think it does show how thinned skinned someone is and the first person I can think of is Cameron. He clearly searches his name on Twitter and looked on here. Why would you do that? You're asking for trouble. Which is deflecting from my OP which was basically (hypocrisy ahead) calling people cunts for calling people cunts. Well yeah! I just don't get the problem, never have and never will tbh. And it's like the train incident, I was so pleased that actually happened, something needs to change and if that's the way it needs to happen then so be it. Coates dithered for too long and needs his hand forcing. How he wasn't sacked this summer I will not know.
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 14:34:16 GMT
Manning up is calling other people cunts via the anonymity of social media? Seriously? I think it does show how thinned skinned someone is and the first person I can think of is Cameron. He clearly searches his name on Twitter and looked on here. Why would you do that? You're asking for trouble. Missed that what did he find and what was his reaction?
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 14:36:13 GMT
I think it does show how thinned skinned someone is and the first person I can think of is Cameron. He clearly searches his name on Twitter and looked on here. Why would you do that? You're asking for trouble. Which is deflecting from my OP which was basically (hypocrisy ahead) calling people cunts for calling people cunts. Its either what you're used to or it isn't people laying into each other bouncing off one another all day everyday just to make shit a bit more bearable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2017 14:45:46 GMT
I think it does show how thinned skinned someone is and the first person I can think of is Cameron. He clearly searches his name on Twitter and looked on here. Why would you do that? You're asking for trouble. Missed that what did he find and what was his reaction? He blocked the Oatcake Twitter account. I'm blocked. I've never tweeted the thin skinned git!
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Post by RAF on Dec 14, 2017 14:50:42 GMT
Which is deflecting from my OP which was basically (hypocrisy ahead) calling people cunts for calling people cunts. Well yeah! :D I just don't get the problem, never have and never will tbh. And it's like the train incident, I was so pleased that actually happened, something needs to change and if that's the way it needs to happen then so be it. Coates dithered for too long and needs his hand forcing. How he wasn't sacked this summer I will not know. It's about time you got yourself a girlfriend! H :)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2017 14:51:31 GMT
Well yeah! I just don't get the problem, never have and never will tbh. And it's like the train incident, I was so pleased that actually happened, something needs to change and if that's the way it needs to happen then so be it. Coates dithered for too long and needs his hand forcing. How he wasn't sacked this summer I will not know. It's about time you got yourself a girlfriend! H I have ta.
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Post by RAF on Dec 14, 2017 14:54:13 GMT
It's about time you got yourself a girlfriend! H :) I have ta. I'm not on about Blowup Barbara! H ;)
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 14:54:54 GMT
Missed that what did he find and what was his reaction? He blocked the Oatcake Twitter account. I'm blocked. I've never tweeted the thin skinned git! Perhaps someone told him to man up being as he's always out for so long with seemingly innocuous injuries.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2017 15:03:32 GMT
I'm not on about Blowup Barbara! H She's an excellent conversationalist though.
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 15:05:16 GMT
I'm not on about Blowup Barbara! H She's an excellent conversationalist though. Never mind when you've had her a while you'll just ignore everything she says.
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Post by RAF on Dec 14, 2017 15:06:32 GMT
I'm not on about Blowup Barbara! H ;) She's an excellent conversationalist though. You need to get some fucking tips off her then! :) H
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 14, 2017 15:06:43 GMT
Which is deflecting from my OP which was basically (hypocrisy ahead) calling people cunts for calling people cunts. Its either what you're used to or it isn't people laying into each other bouncing off one another all day everyday just to make shit a bit more bearable. Saying it face to face is very different to sniping anonymously from a keyboard.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2017 15:07:16 GMT
She's an excellent conversationalist though. You need to get some fucking tips off her then! H She taught me everything I know.
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Post by RAF on Dec 14, 2017 15:12:08 GMT
You need to get some fucking tips off her then! :) H She taught me everything I know. Must have taken her all of 2 minutes then? H ;)
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 15:17:42 GMT
Its either what you're used to or it isn't people laying into each other bouncing off one another all day everyday just to make shit a bit more bearable. Saying it face to face is very different to sniping anonymously from a keyboard. It really isn't you must be shy around people.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 14, 2017 15:36:30 GMT
She taught me everything I know. Must have taken her all of 2 minutes then? H Nah that was the other bit.
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 14, 2017 15:57:26 GMT
Saying it face to face is very different to sniping anonymously from a keyboard. It really isn't you must be shy around people. WTF?!?! You don’t half spout some shite. Do you even read half of the nonsense you churn out?? You’re saying there’s no difference between the way people communicate face to face as opposed to online? You genuinely believe the people on here calling Hughes X,Y and Z do the same if their boss pisses them off? Or the waitress is slow? Or the babysitter is late? You don’t really do you? Because you know as well as I do that most of those hurling the insults would run a fucking mile if they were confronted by a real life breathing person rather than the safety of their keyboard.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 14, 2017 15:59:44 GMT
I think the verbal and emotional outpouring is a combination of the internet anonymity and a "Fever Pitch" emotional fetishisation of the club by many posters. I am in no way excusing it though. The club, as a collective whole, is performing poorly and well below expectations, and significantly below many dreams and aspirations. Indeed the cruelty of our past success of Stokelona was exposed by Burnley who have exceeded this through sheer determination and doggedness. They have out-Stoked Stoke. Accordingly this gives rise to anger and a desire to blame. We have lost all our identity. What many forget is that Hughes and Coates are just men, privileged and positioned as they are and yet as seemingly helpless as the rest of us to address this hapless slide. I'm sure neither they nor the players wish to be failures, despite earning riches either way. It's far more pleasant to be a winner than a loser, rich or poor. I understand the frustration but I think we should express this on the board with a filter of decency. It's all getting a bit much both on and off the pitch isn't it? It's times like these I wish we held some of the old-fashioned reserve we were once credited or condemned to as a nation. What a load of old baloney. If the Coates' don't like being losers they might want to look at the hundred and odd million they took from bet365 in dividends let alone executive salaries in this year alone and ask themselves why they didn't do more to help the club compete with its peers. And why the fuck do you want to live in the past where these reserved stuffed shirts might have been very polite whilst they were slaughtering each other in their millions. Give me an age where people express themselves more freely any day. There was a time when some posh privileged twat would blow a whistle and send men out into a hail of machine gun fire or worse. Give the young people a gun nowadays and they've got enough sense to shoot the posh twat with the whistle before he blows it. With respect, you are using the old debating ploy of misrepresenting, exaggerating and caricaturing Amazing Balls point. This has nothing whatever to do with sending people into war, or "stuffed shirts" or "posh twats". As a socialist republican I would probably agree with you about the past (and indeed present for that matter) behaviour of the english ruling class. Given his personal background and political views I would hazard a guess that Peter Coates might too. But that's not the point. AB and myself were commenting on the inappropriateness of using the anonymity and protection of a message Board which is read by thousands of all ages, as a vehicle for foul-mouthed personal abuse directed towards the manager, players and fellow supporters of Stoke City about football (not even about war, poverty, murder etc etc), and AB made a plea that in that respect some so-called old-fashioned standards of behaviour would not come amiss.
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 16:11:10 GMT
It really isn't you must be shy around people. WTF?!?! You don’t half spout some shite. Do you even read half of the nonsense you churn out?? You’re saying there’s no difference between the way people communicate face to face as opposed to online? You genuinely believe the people on here calling Hughes X,Y and Z do the same if their boss pisses them off? Or the waitress is slow? Or the babysitter is late? You don’t really do you? Because you know as well as I do that most of those hurling the insults would run a fucking mile if they were confronted by a real life breathing person rather than the safety of their keyboard. I don't know, I don't know them I can only speak for myself There is every chance that I'm even more abrupt and blunt in real life than I am on here but obviously I choose my situations to be like that I wouldn't dream of terrorising the waitress and I would have reserved more smarmy and sarcastic for a boss unless it was somebody I knew really well then I might be down right abusive but in turn they'd know they could say anything they liked to me and there'd be no fuss made. I have customers now and obviously I'm fairly guarded with them. Something they used to say about me at work was "you'll get used to him he's like that with everybody".
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 16:19:14 GMT
What a load of old baloney. If the Coates' don't like being losers they might want to look at the hundred and odd million they took from bet365 in dividends let alone executive salaries in this year alone and ask themselves why they didn't do more to help the club compete with its peers. And why the fuck do you want to live in the past where these reserved stuffed shirts might have been very polite whilst they were slaughtering each other in their millions. Give me an age where people express themselves more freely any day. There was a time when some posh privileged twat would blow a whistle and send men out into a hail of machine gun fire or worse. Give the young people a gun nowadays and they've got enough sense to shoot the posh twat with the whistle before he blows it. With respect, you are using the old debating ploy of misrepresenting, exaggerating and characeturing Amazing Balls point. This has nothing whatever to do with sending people into war, or "stuffed shirts" or "posh twats". As a socialist republican I would probably agree with you about the past (and indeed present for that matter) behaviour of the english ruling class. Given his personal background and political views I would hazard a guess that Peter Coates might too. But that's not the point. AB and myself were commenting on the inappropriateness of using the anonymity and protection of a message Board which is read by thousands of all ages, as a vehicle for foul-mouthed personal abuse directed towards the manager, players and fellow supporters of Stoke City about football (not even about war, poverty, murder etc etc), and AB made a plea that in that respect some so-called old-fashioned standards of behaviour would not come amiss. But with all due respect Malcolm, because I know you're a good bloke people just don't hold those old fashioned standards of behavior anymore. They express themselves more freely and use a lot more bad language its just the way things are. Did you know its scientifically proven that swearing relieves stress. I once printed off an article about it from the BBC and kept it in my locker at work for anytime I got in trouble for it. Its just how things are there's no use trying to drag things back into the past and personally I wouldn't want to.
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Post by senojbor on Dec 14, 2017 16:27:44 GMT
Some of the personal abuse being dished out on here for Hughes is way above and beyond what he deserves. He’s lost it. The players. The crowd. It’s gone. Obvious for all to see. But the level of abuse being thrown his way is shameful. I’d say some of you should hang your heads in shame. But to feel shame you’d probably need a couple of brain cells to rub together. Some posters on here have really shown their true colours in recent weeks. Sad, angry, twisted. Pitiful. It was the same for Pulis, it goes with the job. But no it isn't right. I think the only manager that hasn't been slagged off is Macari.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 14, 2017 16:56:08 GMT
With respect, you are using the old debating ploy of misrepresenting, exaggerating and characeturing Amazing Balls point. This has nothing whatever to do with sending people into war, or "stuffed shirts" or "posh twats". As a socialist republican I would probably agree with you about the past (and indeed present for that matter) behaviour of the english ruling class. Given his personal background and political views I would hazard a guess that Peter Coates might too. But that's not the point. AB and myself were commenting on the inappropriateness of using the anonymity and protection of a message Board which is read by thousands of all ages, as a vehicle for foul-mouthed personal abuse directed towards the manager, players and fellow supporters of Stoke City about football (not even about war, poverty, murder etc etc), and AB made a plea that in that respect some so-called old-fashioned standards of behaviour would not come amiss. But with all due respect Malcolm, because I know you're a good bloke people just don't hold those old fashioned standards of behavior anymore. They express themselves more freely and use a lot more bad language its just the way things are. Did you know its scientifically proven that swearing relieves stress. I once printed off an article about it from the BBC and kept it in my locker at work for anytime I got in trouble for it. Its just how things are there's no use trying to drag things back into the past and personally I wouldn't want to. As a matter of interest, did you ever have to use it ? Of course, things change and language changes. Some of those changes have been for the better. For example, I am glad that the racist abuse which if you are old enough you will remember at football grounds is no longer tolerated,not just by the law, but, more importantly, by and large by fellow fans. But I also think that the internet and social media, for all its benefits, has also led to people saying things and using language which I do not think they would do face to face, and I don't think that's healthy. And even given that things aren't going as well as any of us would want on the pitch at the moment, I think given his career in football, and indeed his past achievements as Stoke manager that foul-mouthed personal abuse directed at Mark Hughes is inappropriate. Maybe it's just my age, but I do find it odd to develop relationships by exchanging views on here, particularly when it involves disagreements, with fellow fans whose names I don't even know, and haven't, so far as I know, ever met. I would much prefer to do it over a pint.
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 17:31:47 GMT
But with all due respect Malcolm, because I know you're a good bloke people just don't hold those old fashioned standards of behavior anymore. They express themselves more freely and use a lot more bad language its just the way things are. Did you know its scientifically proven that swearing relieves stress. I once printed off an article about it from the BBC and kept it in my locker at work for anytime I got in trouble for it. Its just how things are there's no use trying to drag things back into the past and personally I wouldn't want to. As a matter of interest, did you ever have to use it ? Of course, things change and language changes. Some of those changes have been for the better. For example, I am glad that the racist abuse which if you are old enough you will remember at football grounds is no longer tolerated,not just by the law, but, more importantly, by and large by fellow fans. But I also think that the internet and social media, for all its benefits, has also led to people saying things and using language which I do not think they would do face to face, and I don't think that's healthy. And even given that things aren't going as well as any of us would want on the pitch at the moment, I think given his career in football, and indeed his past achievements as Stoke manager that foul-mouthed personal abuse directed at Mark Hughes is inappropriate. Maybe it's just my age, but I do find it odd to develop relationships by exchanging views on here, particularly when it involves disagreements, with fellow fans whose names I don't even know, and haven't, so far as I know, ever met. I would much prefer to do it over a pint. I like a pint myself but if I spent as much time in the pub drinking as I do chatting bubbles on here I'd be a raving alky. I use it to pass the time whilst looking after peoples dogs instead of going to work and some folk get on at work instead of working. The falling out probably replaces the sort of combative banter at work. I do think that the situation with managers, players and others in the public eye is different than with Joe Bloggs they take the adulation when things go well so they have to take the opposite end of peoples emotions when they go badly (of course most of it is over the top and irrational). Hopefully people get some of their frustration off their chest on here instead of venting it at the ground. Never had to use the article just letting people know of its existence seemed to be enough. I never got in mither for swearing though my language is atrocious but there again I never got in mither for a lot of stuff that others did I think I was viewed as a lost cause.
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Post by superheroantonius on Dec 14, 2017 17:59:10 GMT
Hes not going to finish in the top ten by selling off the likes of huth nzonzi and arnautovic and then bringing in the likes of imbula berahino and wimmer Hes going to go backwards Thats gauranteed When Hes going to be shown the door, i have no idea You can't blame Hughes for the sale of Nzonzi and Arnautovic! I dont blame him I am saying there is no need to give abuse to a bloke happily digging his own grave. Its just a matter of time before he goes. Imbula berahino snd wimmer are not as good as huth nzonzi snd arnautovic and that means we are going backwards and eventually he will get the push. A manager is only as good as his players and he was unable to replace huth nzonzi and arnautovic with players of that level or better Tbf I have some sympathy for him, because I dont think getting players as good or better than huth nzonzi and arnautovic to join stoke is easy. But unfortunately as stoke manager Its his job to do that, and hes come up short.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 14, 2017 18:15:24 GMT
As a matter of interest, did you ever have to use it ? Of course, things change and language changes. Some of those changes have been for the better. For example, I am glad that the racist abuse which if you are old enough you will remember at football grounds is no longer tolerated,not just by the law, but, more importantly, by and large by fellow fans. But I also think that the internet and social media, for all its benefits, has also led to people saying things and using language which I do not think they would do face to face, and I don't think that's healthy. And even given that things aren't going as well as any of us would want on the pitch at the moment, I think given his career in football, and indeed his past achievements as Stoke manager that foul-mouthed personal abuse directed at Mark Hughes is inappropriate. Maybe it's just my age, but I do find it odd to develop relationships by exchanging views on here, particularly when it involves disagreements, with fellow fans whose names I don't even know, and haven't, so far as I know, ever met. I would much prefer to do it over a pint. I like a pint myself but if I spent as much time in the pub drinking as I do chatting bubbles on here I'd be a raving alky. I use it to pass the time whilst looking after peoples dogs instead of going to work and some folk get on at work instead of working. The falling out probably replaces the sort of combative banter at work. I do think that the situation with managers, players and others in the public eye is different than with Joe Bloggs they take the adulation when things go well so they have to take the opposite end of peoples emotions when they go badly (of course most of it is over the top and irrational). Hopefully people get some of their frustration off their chest on here instead of venting it at the ground. Never had to use the article just letting people know of its existence seemed to be enough. I never got in mither for swearing though my language is atrocious but there again I never got in mither for a lot of stuff that others did I think I was viewed as a lost cause. Alster you are trying to defend the indefensible yobbish, uncouth name calling is just that. If someone vehemently objects to tactics, selection, transfers or general investment policy let them say so and if anyone else feels inclined to debate the point they can. Abusive rants add nothing to the debate or forum in general other than drive more and more reasonable contributors to quit in exasperation.
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Post by alster on Dec 14, 2017 18:18:23 GMT
I like a pint myself but if I spent as much time in the pub drinking as I do chatting bubbles on here I'd be a raving alky. I use it to pass the time whilst looking after peoples dogs instead of going to work and some folk get on at work instead of working. The falling out probably replaces the sort of combative banter at work. I do think that the situation with managers, players and others in the public eye is different than with Joe Bloggs they take the adulation when things go well so they have to take the opposite end of peoples emotions when they go badly (of course most of it is over the top and irrational). Hopefully people get some of their frustration off their chest on here instead of venting it at the ground. Never had to use the article just letting people know of its existence seemed to be enough. I never got in mither for swearing though my language is atrocious but there again I never got in mither for a lot of stuff that others did I think I was viewed as a lost cause. Alster you are trying to defend the indefensible yobbish, uncouth name calling is just that. If someone vehemently objects to tactics, selection, transfers or general investment policy let them say so and if anyone else feels inclined to debate the point they can. Abusive rants add nothing to the debate or forum in general other than drive more and more reasonable contributors to quit in exasperation. Whatever if your world is all fluffy quit I'll just keep being me.
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Post by santy on Dec 14, 2017 18:28:45 GMT
Fortunately it often tends to be the case that the happenings on this forum are either beneath the notice of the Coates family, or they're just able to completely transcend them.
Could you imagine what it'd be like if your owner just decides "fuck it, I'll just let them sink"
£100m revenue to the bet365group that actually never goes into their working accounts for their main business interests is an irrelevance. They don't have to underwrite Stoke, the full name of the club is Stoke City Football Club Limited, there is very little that stops the club from accruing hundreds of millions of debt and being fed to the wolves in the future. Peter Coates would never lose a penny either, and neither would the bet365 group.
In fact, in the right circumstances considering the club now owes them £75m, they could even be executioner one day if they felt they weren't going to get their money back.
It's just as well that all of it is irrelevant, because someone else who was then pissed off at the fans and feeling callous enough to make a point could make convicted rapist Owen Oyston actually look a bit of a soft touch.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 14, 2017 18:32:19 GMT
Alster you are trying to defend the indefensible yobbish, uncouth name calling is just that. If someone vehemently objects to tactics, selection, transfers or general investment policy let them say so and if anyone else feels inclined to debate the point they can. Abusive rants add nothing to the debate or forum in general other than drive more and more reasonable contributors to quit in exasperation. Whatever if your world is all fluffy quit I'll just keep being me. But why is it Fluffyworld people who have to quit? Why can't it be Swearyworld people who quit instead?
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Post by rrrrleek on Dec 14, 2017 18:40:37 GMT
Never liked Hughes.
For me he just used us to get utd job
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