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Post by leoncort on Nov 20, 2017 23:26:01 GMT
Seen Stoke fans blaming Hughes for Ramadans poor performances. Ridiculous.
They moan when he's not getting a chance and when he does get one he never takes it? The creativity is solely on Shaqiri and Choupo who is being played out of position to accommodate Ramadan.
I think he needs a loan because he's really not cutting it as an attacking force which is what we need. Against Leicester he offered nothing and same again tonight. Time for Jesé or Berahino through the middle on Saturday and drop Ramadan. Bar a few step overs and turns last season I've seen nothing to warrant the hype he gets from a section of fans on here/twitter. He has the chance at 2-1 to settle it tonight.
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 20, 2017 23:32:27 GMT
I really think Hughes has taken elements out of Sobis game and made him worse for it.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 20, 2017 23:37:04 GMT
There is a potentially good player in there but he seems to constantly make the wrong decision with his final ball. He must confuse himself because I'm not sure he knows what he is going to do. Needs some coaching.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 20, 2017 23:37:54 GMT
The only thing you can say that at least Arnie is not enjoying a better season than Ramadan
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Post by block27row27 on Nov 20, 2017 23:39:00 GMT
I really think Hughes has taken elements out of Sobis game and made him worse for it. Come off it, fair enough people dislike Hughes, but going to these lengths is ridiculous.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 20, 2017 23:39:03 GMT
There is a potentially good player in there but he seems to constantly make the wrong decision with his final ball. He must confuse himself because I'm not sure he knows what he is going to do. Needs some coaching. If you try to beat the same player 8 times there is a good chance you are not going do it 8 consecutive times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 23:41:25 GMT
He's got good attributes but tactically he is awful. Doesn't know where to stand and doesn't know where to go when he does get the ball. Just sort of runs a bit and hopes something will come of it, or someone will come get the ball off him.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 20, 2017 23:41:57 GMT
Ramadan had a poor start to the season, but has played much better in the last few matches and beats his man consistently. You can see his confidence is increasing.
The problem is there is no end product in terms of a telling pass, centre, or shot at goal, but he is still young and will learn from his mistakes. Give him half a season of regular matches and he will blossom into a superb player.
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Post by leoncort on Nov 20, 2017 23:42:11 GMT
The only thing you can say that at least Arnie is not enjoying a better season than Ramadan If I had to choose between Arnie and Ramadan to start at Palace I know who I'm picking, and he's not from the land of the pyramids.
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 20, 2017 23:43:23 GMT
I really think Hughes has taken elements out of Sobis game and made him worse for it. Come off it, fair enough people dislike Hughes, but going to these lengths is ridiculous. What lengths? Just pointing out that when he first played he'd take on players and look to be an attacking force and watching Hughes lambasting him from the touch line and then freezing him out only fuels my point. He simply doesn't seem the player that first arrived!
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Post by leoncort on Nov 20, 2017 23:45:15 GMT
Ramadan had a poor start to the season, but has played much better in the last few matches and beats his man consistently. You can see his confidence is increasing. The problem is there is no end product in terms of a telling pass, centre, or shot at goal, but he is still young and will learn from his mistakes. Give him half a season of regular matches and he will blossom into a superb player. I'm not sure I've seen enough. He can't cross a ball, he hasn't got a shot on him. He used to be a box of tricks but now that's escaped him, and many blame Hughes for it which is ridiculous. They don't blame him for Shaqs good form. I hope you're right and he comes good but I just can't see it right now and for me he's not earned a place in the starting 11 and he's carried as an attacking force by others.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Nov 20, 2017 23:46:01 GMT
The only thing you can say that at least Arnie is not enjoying a better season than Ramadan If I had to choose between Arnie and Ramadan to start at Palace I know who I'm picking, and he's not from the land of the pyramids. But there is no chance Arnie will be fit for Saturday due to his life threatening injury.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 20, 2017 23:47:33 GMT
He had a decent game I thought, I'm not sure what game some people were watching. He seems to be getting unnecessary criticism this season for some reason.
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Post by leoncort on Nov 20, 2017 23:48:10 GMT
If I had to choose between Arnie and Ramadan to start at Palace I know who I'm picking, and he's not from the land of the pyramids. But there is no chance Arnie will be fit for Saturday due to his life threatening injury. It's the defence that worries me more for Saturday anyway.
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Post by thegift on Nov 20, 2017 23:57:48 GMT
Was pretty much non existent today. He needed to be replaced by crouch today and should of left Shaq on...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 21, 2017 1:37:10 GMT
I really think Hughes has taken elements out of Sobis game and made him worse for it. Come off it, fair enough people dislike Hughes, but going to these lengths is ridiculous. Why is it? His game was all about dribbling and taking on a man. Hughes doesn't like his wingers doing that. He's almost certainly coached it out of him. He's a completely different player to the one we signed. And it's something I didn't want to happen but has.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 21, 2017 2:02:49 GMT
Come off it, fair enough people dislike Hughes, but going to these lengths is ridiculous. Why is it? His game was all about dribbling and taking on a man. Hughes doesn't like his wingers doing that. He's almost certainly coached it out of him. He's a completely different player to the one we signed. And it's something I didn't want to happen but has. I am beginning to think that Hughes doesn’t do well developing younger players. We signed Sohbi, as a virtual unknown; he showed some promise when he first came but needed some polishing and experience. Now he looks a shadow of his former self. Hughes pursued Berahino for a long time, and now he’s finally got him he doesn’t what to do with him. The same could be said for Imbula, who started well, scored on his debut (I think), played a blinder at Chelsea but then faded into the sunset. I call it the “reverse Midas touch”: take a piece of gold and turn it into a turd.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 21, 2017 2:16:42 GMT
Why is it? His game was all about dribbling and taking on a man. Hughes doesn't like his wingers doing that. He's almost certainly coached it out of him. He's a completely different player to the one we signed. And it's something I didn't want to happen but has. I am beginning to think that Hughes doesn’t do well developing younger players. We signed Sohbi, as a virtual unknown; he showed some promise when he first came but needed some polishing and experience. Now he looks a shadow of his former self. Hughes pursued Berahino for a long time, and now he’s finally got him he doesn’t what to do with him. The same could be said for Imbula, who started well, scored on his debut (I think), played a blinder at Chelsea but then faded into the sunset. I call it the “reverse Midas touch”: take a piece of gold and turn it into a turd. Got to say your wanky cod psychology is beginning to really grate.
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Post by PB1863 on Nov 21, 2017 2:22:11 GMT
Ramadan had a poor start to the season, but has played much better in the last few matches and beats his man consistently. You can see his confidence is increasing. The problem is there is no end product in terms of a telling pass, centre, or shot at goal, but he is still young and will learn from his mistakes. Give him half a season of regular matches and he will blossom into a superb player. I don’t disagree but it’s like...,ok I have beaten one player what do I do now?
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Post by kustokie on Nov 21, 2017 2:28:51 GMT
I am beginning to think that Hughes doesn’t do well developing younger players. We signed Sohbi, as a virtual unknown; he showed some promise when he first came but needed some polishing and experience. Now he looks a shadow of his former self. Hughes pursued Berahino for a long time, and now he’s finally got him he doesn’t what to do with him. The same could be said for Imbula, who started well, scored on his debut (I think), played a blinder at Chelsea but then faded into the sunset. I call it the “reverse Midas touch”: take a piece of gold and turn it into a turd. Got to say your wanky cod psychology is beginning to really grate. Glad you like it!
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 21, 2017 3:06:34 GMT
Got to say your wanky cod psychology is beginning to really grate. Glad you like it! I don't. But then again I don't get me kicks from innacurate cheap cliched digs at me Club. But I guess you're playing it for laughs. Crack on.
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Post by potterglen on Nov 21, 2017 4:03:21 GMT
Don’t have a problem with Ramadan tbh, he’d push forward more often if Pieters stayed in position. Agree that he holds onto the ball a fraction too long but has the ability to become a cracking winger - just stop him covering Eriks arse, let’s be honest, Ekas final ball isn’t worth the effort.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 21, 2017 6:18:56 GMT
There was me thinking last night was the best I've seen Sobhi for a good while.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 21, 2017 6:52:57 GMT
The new whipping boy, I presume.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 21, 2017 7:01:44 GMT
What did he do wrong last night?
I thought he had a good game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 7:03:53 GMT
What did he do wrong last night? I thought he had a good game. So did I Dave. He covered Erik really well and looked more like it going forward. More like his old self.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 21, 2017 7:05:41 GMT
Come off it, fair enough people dislike Hughes, but going to these lengths is ridiculous. Why is it? His game was all about dribbling and taking on a man. Hughes doesn't like his wingers doing that. He's almost certainly coached it out of him. He's a completely different player to the one we signed. And it's something I didn't want to happen but has. He didn't like Arnie dribbling? Behave. Sohbi takes it too far. He beats his man, puts his foot on the ball then does fuck all with it. It's not all Hughes, the player needs to apply himself better. He's getting plenty of chances.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Nov 21, 2017 7:16:08 GMT
Why is it? His game was all about dribbling and taking on a man. Hughes doesn't like his wingers doing that. He's almost certainly coached it out of him. He's a completely different player to the one we signed. And it's something I didn't want to happen but has. I am beginning to think that Hughes doesn’t do well developing younger players. We signed Sohbi, as a virtual unknown; he showed some promise when he first came but needed some polishing and experience. Now he looks a shadow of his former self. Hughes pursued Berahino for a long time, and now he’s finally got him he doesn’t what to do with him. The same could be said for Imbula, who started well, scored on his debut (I think), played a blinder at Chelsea but then faded into the sunset. I call it the “reverse Midas touch”: take a piece of gold and turn it into a turd. When Sobhi came to Stoke he wasnt unknown. He was vaunted as one of the greatest young talents around, pretty sure Martin Jol said he was one of the best players he had seen. I think he is doing ok. He struggles with end product because most of the time there is no one in the box
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Post by ElworthPotter on Nov 21, 2017 7:22:14 GMT
Thought he did alright last night myself! He lost the ball inside our own half needlessly a couple of times but aside from that he generally brought the ball forward well and then kept it when we were on the attack. I’d still like to see him shoot or get a cross in earlier but certainly don’t think he deserves what he’s had from this thread after last night.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 21, 2017 7:26:52 GMT
Did he not take his chance? He was twice the player that Shaqiri was in the second half, and created our only chance of note.
I find it more concerning that our players pretty much ignore him on and off the ball. Watch how often Sobhi makes himself available for Pieters - a pass he would have made every time when Arnie was here - only for Pieters to pass the ball back into the middle. Look at the first goal, where Sobhi and Wimmer close down the same man, because Sobhi doesn't count. Our forwards will routinely make runs in the same space that Sobhi is running. It all happens every game.
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