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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 7:31:42 GMT
First half he was absolute dross. Second half he came into it more on the ball and put in a right shift defensively.
Knockaert was pretty quiet for most of the game, which is testament to the work Ramadan and Pieters put in.
The lad on the other side ran amok all game, due to the total absence of anything defensively from Diouf and Shaqiri.
Zouma was isolated all night.
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Post by Staying up for Grandadstokey on Nov 21, 2017 9:04:05 GMT
There is no doubt he is a very talented player, however his decision making is poor . It is very rare that you see him float a cross over or shoot ,a trait you would have thought would have been rectified by the coaches.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Nov 21, 2017 9:04:57 GMT
Ramadan was good last night. Had a couple of opportunities he could of done a bit better with but overall he was better than Shaqiri. No idea how he is being made a boo boy by some this season- He's still 20 years old don't forget.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 9:09:02 GMT
He had a decent game I thought, I'm not sure what game some people were watching. He seems to be getting unnecessary criticism this season for some reason. What I saw was far from decent, he had a few positive runs but he doesn’t know when to play that killer ball - hopefully that comes with time but at the moment it looks like he is from the Arsenal school of football where he tries to walk the ball into the net - like he is terrified to shoot. Arnie was the opposite, all the confidence in the world but his finishing was actually awful most of the time - however, the occasions when he did catch it right he’d smash it into the top corner. I’d get Choupo on the left and Berahino in up front, Choupo is far better on the wing in spite of his cracking goal last night.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 21, 2017 9:14:07 GMT
Can't help but think he gets a rough ride off supporters because we signed him from overseas. If he was a homegrown 20 year old winger, we'd be saying how good a prospect he was. It seems that a lot of supporters seem to think he should be winning us games and putting in MOTM performances week in, week out.
I thought he was decent enough yesterday and for a 20 year old lad, he's not afraid to go past people. His final ball isn't always good but then how many men has he got to aim for? I thought last night was one of his better games which is why it seems odd to single him out specifically.
He does try to do too much at times but he runs his bollocks off, does the dirty work and can break with the ball. I honestly think some of you have lost perspective because he's come from overseas. As I said, if we had a 20 year old English lad on the books putting in those sorts of performances, we'd be chuffed. He needs to keep his head down and work hard but remember how old he is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 9:16:32 GMT
What did he do wrong last night? I thought he had a good game. Agree. He was very good last night....
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Post by nott1 on Nov 21, 2017 9:21:52 GMT
I don't know what some of the superstars on here want, he had a decent game, much better than a lot of their players.........leave him alone or get your boots out and astound us all with your technical superiority....... or shut up!
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Post by jimmygscfc on Nov 21, 2017 10:08:00 GMT
What did he do wrong last night? I thought he had a good game. So did I Dave. He covered Erik really well and looked more like it going forward. More like his old self. A wing back shouldn't need covering by a winger. Surely the wing back can afford to be more offensive and add to the attack significantly and be covered moreso by his left sided central defender. The winger can then move inside in support of the striker. The system we play with the players we have is broken. It just doesn't work at all. Players get in each others way, we get caught on the break and we're ponderous with the ball. As for Ramadan, he tries hard but he seems unsuited for life in the Premiership. Jese needs to be given another chance soon.
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Post by Gods on Nov 21, 2017 10:31:02 GMT
There is no doubt he is a very talented player, however his decision making is poor . It is very rare that you see him float a cross over or shoot ,a trait you would have thought would have been rectified by the coaches. Yes it's really strange. I tried to watch him closely last night. Balls were getting fired out to him at random heights and speeds and levels of accuracy and he has a fantastic ability almost every time to quickly get the ball under control then run at his marker who he was able to dunk flat on his backside almost every time by a sleight of the shoulder and a cut inside and from there in theory at least he was heading to the edge of the penalty box with the ball fully in the control of his twinkling feet. A recipe for chaos in the opposition defence you would think. But it's from there it all goes wrong. He seems unable to either beat the 2nd man, get a shot in on goal or find that killer pass. It's hugely frustrating, if it comes we really have a fine player on our hands, if it doesn't it's not going to happen for him.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 21, 2017 10:39:53 GMT
a very harsh thread I must say. He did pretty ok last night and is slowly getting back to his best.
He needs a goal or an assist because he is clearly lacking confidence. I would hate for Hughes just to drop him now and play winger roulette.
He is working hard for the team. In Egypt he was the main guy and they just gave him the ball to do his stuff. At Stoke he is clearly under orders to keep it simple and let Shaq do most of the creative stuff, which is bonkers.
Hughes needs to let him off the leash and tell him to be MORE DIRECT. He always beats the first defender and opens up options in attack which is a good trait to have.
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Post by unknown182 on Nov 21, 2017 12:49:29 GMT
He always holds onto the ball just that second too long at times. He gets to the byline with ease he just needs to be taught when to cross it. Just blast it across the goal if you can't find a pass and see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 13:23:45 GMT
Can't help but think he gets a rough ride off supporters because we signed him from overseas. If he was a homegrown 20 year old winger, we'd be saying how good a prospect he was. It seems that a lot of supporters seem to think he should be winning us games and putting in MOTM performances week in, week out. I thought he was decent enough yesterday and for a 20 year old lad, he's not afraid to go past people. His final ball isn't always good but then how many men has he got to aim for? I thought last night was one of his better games which is why it seems odd to single him out specifically. He does try to do too much at times but he runs his bollocks off, does the dirty work and can break with the ball. I honestly think some of you have lost perspective because he's come from overseas. As I said, if we had a 20 year old English lad on the books putting in those sorts of performances, we'd be chuffed. He needs to keep his head down and work hard but remember how old he is. No need to play the race card here, he is a promising player but he hasn’t shown it this season and offered nothing last night - same goes for many of our team, nationality doesn’t come into it - remember back to the abuse Ryan Shotton used to get on here and many other of our academy players who were never going to be quite good enough.
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Nov 21, 2017 13:32:54 GMT
Said a few weeks ago he offers nothing only a high work rate in tracking back.
Give ngoy a go out there
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 21, 2017 13:40:05 GMT
Can't help but think he gets a rough ride off supporters because we signed him from overseas. If he was a homegrown 20 year old winger, we'd be saying how good a prospect he was. It seems that a lot of supporters seem to think he should be winning us games and putting in MOTM performances week in, week out. I thought he was decent enough yesterday and for a 20 year old lad, he's not afraid to go past people. His final ball isn't always good but then how many men has he got to aim for? I thought last night was one of his better games which is why it seems odd to single him out specifically. He does try to do too much at times but he runs his bollocks off, does the dirty work and can break with the ball. I honestly think some of you have lost perspective because he's come from overseas. As I said, if we had a 20 year old English lad on the books putting in those sorts of performances, we'd be chuffed. He needs to keep his head down and work hard but remember how old he is. There was more buzz and excitement about Ramadan being in the team than any other player we've got last season
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Post by Dr Hesham on Nov 21, 2017 14:10:48 GMT
Simply: Ramadan is playing regularly now cause we aren't watching Peiters mistakes anymore.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Nov 21, 2017 14:47:05 GMT
I am beginning to think that Hughes doesn’t do well developing younger players. We signed Sohbi, as a virtual unknown; he showed some promise when he first came but needed some polishing and experience. Now he looks a shadow of his former self. Hughes pursued Berahino for a long time, and now he’s finally got him he doesn’t what to do with him. The same could be said for Imbula, who started well, scored on his debut (I think), played a blinder at Chelsea but then faded into the sunset. I call it the “reverse Midas touch”: take a piece of gold and turn it into a turd. When Sobhi came to Stoke he wasnt unknown. He was vaunted as one of the greatest young talents around, pretty sure Martin Jol said he was one of the best players he had seen. I think he is doing ok. He struggles with end product because most of the time there is no one in the box This. He is sometimes his own worst enemy with his lack of final ball......but there are numerous occasions when there is no bugger to pass to, because we have no bloody pace or runners from midfield.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Nov 21, 2017 14:57:30 GMT
Both Ramadan and Shaq are killed by playing Moting as a striker. The amount of times they were in a good crossing position and Moting was either behind them or standing right next to them was unbelievable last night.
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 21, 2017 15:12:27 GMT
The only thing you can say that at least Arnie is not enjoying a better season than Ramadan If I had to choose between Arnie and Ramadan to start at Palace I know who I'm picking, and he's not from the land of the pyramids. I said season, not career!
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 21, 2017 15:18:25 GMT
He had a decent game I thought, I'm not sure what game some people were watching. He seems to be getting unnecessary criticism this season for some reason. He's been set up to fail by the fans, largely because of the ridiculous expectations put on him when Arnie left. All the garbage on here about how we had a better player than Arnie on our books as people used him as a way of dealing with the emotional trauma of losing Arnie.
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Post by tqstokie on Nov 21, 2017 15:36:02 GMT
Mr Hughes must persevere with Ramadan. His decision making and final ball will only improve if you show your faith and keep playing him. He won't learn much from the bench. He is extremely skillful and strong. Keep the faith!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 21, 2017 15:41:16 GMT
What I dont get with this lad is he has the skill and power and balance to be a very good player but once he is anywhere near having to make a decision to cross or shoot he is generally fucking useless and nothing has changed since he arrived , surley the management must work with him on improving on his final ball and decision making but he just doesn't change .
In all fairness to him he is currently in the team more to help the left side of the defence than anything else so maybe they have had him just working on defending this season but he looks stuck to me at the moment
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Nov 21, 2017 15:43:01 GMT
Not slagging the lad off but he isnt fast enough to play out wide IMO.
He looks like he could do more from a central position to me, defensively no to shabby either.... Perhaps theres the making of an attacking CM in him?
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Nov 21, 2017 15:45:44 GMT
Ramadan had a poor start to the season, but has played much better in the last few matches and beats his man consistently. You can see his confidence is increasing. The problem is there is no end product in terms of a telling pass, centre, or shot at goal, but he is still young and will learn from his mistakes. Give him half a season of regular matches and he will blossom into a superb player. Like Berahino you mean?
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Post by professorplump on Nov 21, 2017 21:20:36 GMT
Come off it, fair enough people dislike Hughes, but going to these lengths is ridiculous. Why is it? His game was all about dribbling and taking on a man. Hughes doesn't like his wingers doing that. He's almost certainly coached it out of him. He's a completely different player to the one we signed. And it's something I didn't want to happen but has. Clearly you're trying to blame Hughes for everything so it fits your agenda. In case you haven't noticed, his game is still about dribbling and taking on a man. His problem is what happens after he has beaten that man. His decision making is often poor. I thought he had a decent game last night though and will get better with experience. Can you show me an interview please where Hughes has said that he doesn't like his wingers to take on a man?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Nov 22, 2017 10:52:40 GMT
Can't help but think he gets a rough ride off supporters because we signed him from overseas. If he was a homegrown 20 year old winger, we'd be saying how good a prospect he was. It seems that a lot of supporters seem to think he should be winning us games and putting in MOTM performances week in, week out. I thought he was decent enough yesterday and for a 20 year old lad, he's not afraid to go past people. His final ball isn't always good but then how many men has he got to aim for? I thought last night was one of his better games which is why it seems odd to single him out specifically. He does try to do too much at times but he runs his bollocks off, does the dirty work and can break with the ball. I honestly think some of you have lost perspective because he's come from overseas. As I said, if we had a 20 year old English lad on the books putting in those sorts of performances, we'd be chuffed. He needs to keep his head down and work hard but remember how old he is. No need to play the race card here, he is a promising player but he hasn’t shown it this season and offered nothing last night - same goes for many of our team, nationality doesn’t come into it - remember back to the abuse Ryan Shotton used to get on here and many other of our academy players who were never going to be quite good enough. What race card? Piss off. Basically, I was saying that because he was signed rather than developed by our own academy, he seems to get cut less slack. He's 20 and there's not a lot of 20 year-olds who play regularly in the premier league if they don't have a lot of talent.
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Post by neddy on Nov 22, 2017 11:11:12 GMT
No need to play the race card here, he is a promising player but he hasn’t shown it this season and offered nothing last night - same goes for many of our team, nationality doesn’t come into it - remember back to the abuse Ryan Shotton used to get on here and many other of our academy players who were never going to be quite good enough. What race card? Piss off. Basically, I was saying that because he was signed rather than developed by our own academy, he seems to get cut less slack. He's 20 and there's not a lot of 20 year-olds who play regularly in the premier league if they don't have a lot of talent. 20 years old getting game time in the premier league......surely he can only get better? Could be the future!
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Post by malteser68 on Nov 22, 2017 11:16:40 GMT
Seen Stoke fans blaming Hughes for Ramadans poor performances. Ridiculous. They moan when he's not getting a chance and when he does get one he never takes it? The creativity is solely on Shaqiri and Choupo who is being played out of position to accommodate Ramadan. I think he needs a loan because he's really not cutting it as an attacking force which is what we need. Against Leicester he offered nothing and same again tonight. Time for Jesé or Berahino through the middle on Saturday and drop Ramadan. Bar a few step overs and turns last season I've seen nothing to warrant the hype he gets from a section of fans on here/twitter. He has the chance at 2-1 to settle it tonight. Yes lets ship Ramadan on loan since we have such incredible depth in our squad that we have no use for him ar the moment !!! What a blockhead !!!
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Nov 22, 2017 11:25:38 GMT
I really think Hughes has taken elements out of Sobis game and made him worse for it. Not sure what is more embarrassing, the post itself or the likes it has got. The only was Hughes could have taken anything from Ramadan's game is that the way he has been used and then dropped may have affected his confidence but the way he goes past players with ease (usually way too many times), suggests he isn't lacking confidence. What he does need is help learning how to actually do something with the ball once he gets into a dangerous attacking position which he often does. Every single time he gets the ball he completely wastes possession by simply refusing to actually play some form of final ball. It doesn't have to be a goal or an assist every time but as long as he finds another player then he has done his job and will get credit for it. At the moment unless he shows some sort of proof that he has the vision and conviction to complete the final ball then he shouldn't be in the team. He should have been replaced instead of Shaqiri on Monday night as he had an ineffective night and Shaq, while still poor second half, can still pick out a killer pass out of nowhere (one of the many reasons he frustrates me so much, with how poorly he can play for 89 minutes but still pick out a worldie). Hughes Out
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 22, 2017 11:44:00 GMT
I really think Hughes has taken elements out of Sobis game and made him worse for it. Not sure what is more embarrassing, the post itself or the likes it has got. The only was Hughes could have taken anything from Ramadan's game is that the way he has been used and then dropped may have affected his confidence but the way he goes past players with ease (usually way too many times), suggests he isn't lacking confidence. What he does need is help learning how to actually do something with the ball once he gets into a dangerous attacking position which he often does. Every single time he gets the ball he completely wastes possession by simply refusing to actually play some form of final ball. It doesn't have to be a goal or an assist every time but as long as he finds another player then he has done his job and will get credit for it. At the moment unless he shows some sort of proof that he has the vision and conviction to complete the final ball then he shouldn't be in the team. He should have been replaced instead of Shaqiri on Monday night as he had an ineffective night and Shaq, while still poor second half, can still pick out a killer pass out of nowhere (one of the many reasons he frustrates me so much, with how poorly he can play for 89 minutes but still pick out a worldie). Hughes Out Embarrassing? The question or the likes, the reason people have liked it is that they seem to see it the way I do, by that I mean he doesn't seem to be the player that first arrived and his game has altered since and in my opinion that's the manager. No one expects him to be A world beater, score all the time or set goals up all the time it just seems he's changed the way he plays in a negative way, my opinion and by the way that's all it is an opinion.
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Post by leoncort on Nov 22, 2017 11:46:17 GMT
Seen Stoke fans blaming Hughes for Ramadans poor performances. Ridiculous. They moan when he's not getting a chance and when he does get one he never takes it? The creativity is solely on Shaqiri and Choupo who is being played out of position to accommodate Ramadan. I think he needs a loan because he's really not cutting it as an attacking force which is what we need. Against Leicester he offered nothing and same again tonight. Time for Jesé or Berahino through the middle on Saturday and drop Ramadan. Bar a few step overs and turns last season I've seen nothing to warrant the hype he gets from a section of fans on here/twitter. He has the chance at 2-1 to settle it tonight. Yes lets ship Ramadan on loan since we have such incredible depth in our squad that we have no use for him ar the moment !!! What a blockhead !!! Jese and Choupo can play there, freeing up the striker role for... wait for it... an actual striker!! then maybe a RB can play RB? that would be good. Ramadan has had a good chance now and failed to impress, no end product, dwells on the ball and massively puts pressure on Shaq to deliver. i agree we need a first team LW brought in, but before then i dont think Ramadan should be anywhere near the team.
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