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Post by Gods on Dec 4, 2017 16:30:49 GMT
He's unquestionably extremely talented on the ball and has that instinct of wrong-footing a defender and appearing to glide past them, so I've no doubt that when he gains experience and develops the knack of releasing the ball at the right time and choosing when to pass/shoot he will be a top, top player. The only real niggle I have with him at the minute, though, is that for a player who came with a reputation for being such an exciting, attacking player with an arrogant edge to him, he really seems really reluctant to drive forward and make the most of space when it opens up for him. It's almost like it's a last resort to go for it. I don't know if it's a confidence thing, or a lack of bravery etc, or maybe he's being coached in a way that makes him a bit more conservative, but I think he needs to work on that instinct to be more ruthless and drive at the opposition when he makes space to fully realise his potential because he's got all the makings of a devastating player. Yes, you'd think if he drove on in to the box more having effortlessly dispatched the first man then, worst case, he'd win a penalty or two. We just need a little more end product, he has the tools at his disposal, 'affecting the game' Sparky calls it.
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Post by alster on Dec 4, 2017 16:34:51 GMT
Ramadan is the future - we need to invest in him and the other promising youngsters. He reminds me a bit of a young John Robertson, not the fastest, but with quick feet and a trick or two to get half a yard of space. His decision making needs to improve, but that will come with game time. He is a diligent worker and tracks back better than any of our other wing options, which can be useful away from home, especially with the weak left side of our defence. Exactly what the fuck is happening with N'goy and Verlinden in a very important season for their development absolutely fuck all. Can they really do that much worse than some of the displays we've seen from our senior pro's. Could Soutar really have been any worse a centre back than Fletcher, could Edwards really have been worse at right wingback than Choupo. These youngsters aren't going to make it with this manager.
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Post by jezzascfc on Dec 4, 2017 16:49:24 GMT
Ramadan is the future - we need to invest in him and the other promising youngsters. He reminds me a bit of a young John Robertson, not the fastest, but with quick feet and a trick or two to get half a yard of space. His decision making needs to improve, but that will come with game time. He is a diligent worker and tracks back better than any of our other wing options, which can be useful away from home, especially with the weak left side of our defence. Exactly what the fuck is happening with N'goy and Verlinden in a very important season for their development absolutely fuck all. Can they really do that much worse than some of the displays we've seen from our senior pro's. Could Soutar really have been any worse a centre back than Fletcher, could Edwards really have been worse at right wingback than Choupo. These youngsters aren't going to make it with this manager. Different debate than this thread, but I do so agree. If Berahino is deemed not up to time on the pitch, Ngoy should be on the bench ahead of him. If Johnson and Adam are to be sold in January, then Edwards and Verlinden should take their spots on the bench. At least three of the seven on the bench for each game should be youngsters - end of - which would give us a keeper, three senior pros and three kiddies, which should be more than enough to cover all eventualities: for example on Saturday, Grant, Edwards, Wimmer, Ramadan, Afellay, Jese, Ngoy.
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Post by alster on Dec 4, 2017 16:56:22 GMT
Exactly what the fuck is happening with N'goy and Verlinden in a very important season for their development absolutely fuck all. Can they really do that much worse than some of the displays we've seen from our senior pro's. Could Soutar really have been any worse a centre back than Fletcher, could Edwards really have been worse at right wingback than Choupo. These youngsters aren't going to make it with this manager. Different debate than this thread, but I do so agree. If Berahino is deemed not up to time on the pitch, Ngoy should be on the bench ahead of him. If Johnson and Adam are to be sold in January, then Edwards and Verlinden should take their spots on the bench. At least three of the seven on the bench for each game should be youngsters - end of - which would give us a keeper, three senior pros and three kiddies, which should be more than enough to cover all eventualities. That would be great I'd settle for less but I just can't see it happening under this manager. I don't know what stops him, strength wise which is often a problem with young players N'Goy and Ramadan have probably got better upper body strength than most of the seniors.
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Dec 4, 2017 19:05:38 GMT
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Dec 4, 2017 19:05:38 GMT
It wasn’t that he accelerated away as such though. He left the 2 players stood still with a brilliant turn and was able to run away from them with ease after that. It could be considered better than just simply running faster than the man. It’s what he did/didn’t do once he arrived in the box that was the problem, he needed to either play Pieters in immediately and in front of him, square it to either Crouch, Shaqiri or Diouf (can’t remember which 2 of them were in the box), or try to bend it into the fat post as the keeper would have been unsighted by the defender in front of him. In the end he did nothing and wasted the glorious chance he had created but that the only problem I see with him game, final decision making. He’s a cracking player though, just seems to get lost a bit when he starts, from the bench he really takes it to teams, especially since he is still a bit of an unknown quantity for many teams. He's certainly not lightning quick but if he was as slow as he was being made out players would get back at him with ease. Yup end product is the problem couldn't agree more. I don't think not producing a lot in the final third in his recent starts is very fair on him, he was playing with a very defensive brief which he carried out well. He has been shackled completely in his starts I agree, Hughes has been sacrificing him to allow Shaqiri to neglect all defensive responsibility, which isn’t really good for Ramadan’s development as an attacking threat, although don’t get me wrong it worked against Swansea, albeit with Choupo being dragged back slightly. He is slow for an attacking player who doesn’t rely on height, although he is very strong so again that counters the lack of blistering pace also.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Dec 4, 2017 19:29:30 GMT
Exactly what the fuck is happening with N'goy and Verlinden in a very important season for their development absolutely fuck all. Can they really do that much worse than some of the displays we've seen from our senior pro's. Could Soutar really have been any worse a centre back than Fletcher, could Edwards really have been worse at right wingback than Choupo. These youngsters aren't going to make it with this manager. Different debate than this thread, but I do so agree. If Berahino is deemed not up to time on the pitch, Ngoy should be on the bench ahead of him. If Johnson and Adam are to be sold in January, then Edwards and Verlinden should take their spots on the bench. At least three of the seven on the bench for each game should be youngsters - end of - which would give us a keeper, three senior pros and three kiddies, which should be more than enough to cover all eventualities: for example on Saturday, Grant, Edwards, Wimmer, Ramadan, Afellay, Jese, Ngoy. It was shocking to see that the bench against Swansea had only Wimmer on it from a defensive point of view. If Hughes deems Edwards good enough to hang him out to dry against Man City away, then he should be worth a spot on the bench at least. The lad may not be good enough in the end but if you don’t give him the chance, he can’t prove his is good enough either.
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Dec 4, 2017 19:33:41 GMT
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 4, 2017 19:33:41 GMT
The simplest principle is he doesn’t shoot enough like most of our team.
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Post by alster on Dec 4, 2017 20:08:06 GMT
The simplest principle is he doesn’t shoot enough like most of our team. He's possibly the worst example though he really does seem like he just doesn't want to shoot under any circumstances. He got one in the cup but it really was like it was the choice of last resort. I do often wonder how good the communication is between the management and coaching staff and the players both as a team and as individuals. After a string of disastrous acquisitions you do start to wonder whether what is expected of a player is communicated effectively. What do they tell the likes of Berahino, Joselu do they have detailed appraisal of their play told what was good what was bad the roles and areas they are expected to play in or are they told to go out there and score. To me in the case of Ramadan you'd be trying to coax, bully antagonise anything just trying to find what worked with him to get him to do more of the things you want to see more of from him shooting crossing for example but watching him play he looks like the only thing he's had drummed into him is defend, defend, defend.
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Post by eastyorksexile on Dec 5, 2017 18:40:05 GMT
I just don’t get this rating of Sobi, he is (in my opinion) a youngish player who shows ability but never really delivers, yet has had plenty of opportunities, I would rather we give some of the other younger guys he saw match time as him and then see who is worth a punt
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Post by alster on Dec 6, 2017 14:56:25 GMT
I just don’t get this rating of Sobi, he is (in my opinion) a youngish player who shows ability but never really delivers, yet has had plenty of opportunities, I would rather we give some of the other younger guys he saw match time as him and then see who is worth a punt Having the strength to compete physically and showing ability at this level for a player of his age is pretty impressive to be fair but there again I'd like to see more of the other youngsters too but our manager has shown that he'd much rather have an older player out of position. Oh well he played Edwards vs Man City in a game he fully expected to lose so that's his token gesture to the youth development project.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 16:35:28 GMT
I'l probably get crucified for this, but surely he's not going to be another big time Charlie! Wait's for the slating!
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Dec 6, 2017 16:38:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 16:44:24 GMT
He hasn’t been embarrassing on the pitch at all, he’s a young lad still learning the game and is going to be a very good player for us.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 6, 2017 16:44:31 GMT
Nowt wrong with that, probably supported them as a kid!!!
Just wish it would have been anyone other than Arsewipe!!!
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Post by liamo on Dec 6, 2017 17:08:23 GMT
Think I can remember a few articles stating he wants to end up at Arsenal one day during our initial interest
Probably a long time fan
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 6, 2017 17:11:16 GMT
He can dream all he likes, I'd suggest he has little to no chance of playing for them. Too slow and a lack of goals are the 2 main reasons.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Dec 6, 2017 21:07:16 GMT
I can't remember him shooting once this season, but I usually fall asleep and drool on myself while watching our attack so I may have missed it.
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Post by kastro on Dec 7, 2017 5:31:23 GMT
He can dream all he likes, I'd suggest he has little to no chance of playing for them. Too slow and a lack of goals are the 2 main reasons. Behave. Oxlade-Chamberlain played for Arsenal, and he's as average as they come. Ox is the epitome of no end product and he's terrible at back tracking. Sobhi is the real deal and will be a CL regular in time. Writing off a player at 20 is ridiculous.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 7, 2017 7:23:24 GMT
He can dream all he likes, I'd suggest he has little to no chance of playing for them. Too slow and a lack of goals are the 2 main reasons. Behave. Oxlade-Chamberlain played for Arsenal, and he's as average as they come. Ox is the epitome of no end product and he's terrible at back tracking. Sobhi is the real deal and will be a CL regular in time. Writing off a player at 20 is ridiculous. Sobhi may well become a regular champions league player but it won't be in this country He simply is and never will be a top six player As others have said every one of the top six play with speed Something sobhi sadly does not have
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 7, 2017 10:25:11 GMT
The simplest principle is he doesn’t shoot enough like most of our team. He's possibly the worst example though he really does seem like he just doesn't want to shoot under any circumstances. He got one in the cup but it really was like it was the choice of last resort. I do often wonder how good the communication is between the management and coaching staff and the players both as a team and as individuals. After a string of disastrous acquisitions you do start to wonder whether what is expected of a player is communicated effectively. What do they tell the likes of Berahino, Joselu do they have detailed appraisal of their play told what was good what was bad the roles and areas they are expected to play in or are they told to go out there and score. To me in the case of Ramadan you'd be trying to coax, bully antagonise anything just trying to find what worked with him to get him to do more of the things you want to see more of from him shooting crossing for example but watching him play he looks like the only thing he's had drummed into him is defend, defend, defend. Spot on. I want our attackers to attack. Too many players look lost under Hughes for it to be coincidence.
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