|
Post by partickpotter on Jul 17, 2017 8:47:38 GMT
In addition for the next test, we desperately need an extra batsmen in the line up to replace Dawson. It's almost certain that Ballance won't be dropped so to make it work I think he needs dropping down the order to 5 and being replaced at 3 by someone who is more of quick scorer to add some impetus at the top of the order. I also think the injury to Chris Woakes has been a big blow, was starting to establish himself as a regular and possibly the long term replacement for Jimmy. Agree with all of this. We are playing with one too many bowlers because we have all rounders at 5 and 6. We can accommodate an extra batsman. As you say, Ballance is there for the series so we need to assume he keeps his place. I'd push Bairstow up to 3, have Ballance at 5 and give the gloves and #7 position to Butler. Dawson is the man left out. If Root wants a back up to Ali, he can turn his arm over. Woakes is a big miss. I see this morning he won't be fit for any of this series which is good news for Wood who has been underwhelming so far (1-197). He's supposed to be our fastest bowler hitting 90+mph regularly but he seems stuck in the mid 80's at which point he ain't offering very much. He's now got a couple more tests to impress.
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 17, 2017 8:52:08 GMT
In addition for the next test, we desperately need an extra batsmen in the line up to replace Dawson. It's almost certain that Ballance won't be dropped so to make it work I think he needs dropping down the order to 5 and being replaced at 3 by someone who is more of quick scorer to add some impetus at the top of the order. I also think the injury to Chris Woakes has been a big blow, was starting to establish himself as a regular and possibly the long term replacement for Jimmy. Agree with all of this. We are playing with one too many bowlers because we have all rounders at 5 and 6. We can accommodate an extra batsman. As you say, Ballance is there for the series so we need to assume he keeps his place. I'd push Bairstow up to 3, have Ballance at 5 and give the gloves and #7 position to Butler. Dawson is the man left out. If Root wants a back up to Ali, he can turn his arm over. Woakes is a big miss. I see this morning he won't be fit for any of this series which is good news for Wood who has been underwhelming so far (1-197). He's supposed to be our fastest bowler hitting 90+mph regularly but he seems stuck in the mid 80's at which point he ain't offering very much. He's now got a couple more tests to impress. I'm a big fan of Buttler but I have to say, Bairstow is getting better and better with the gloves so not sure I'd be too keen to take them off him at this stage. As you say though, we have way too many all rounders and not enough specialist Batsmen. I do like Wood also but if the pitch is a bit one paced and on the slow side he does become easy to play which is a shame.
|
|
|
Post by penkvillepotter on Jul 17, 2017 9:09:46 GMT
Didn't bring England much luck yesterday. But when you are 3-2 it's a long way back from there. Would loved to have seen Root get a ton but it was a bloody good day out, much ale and other unidentified drinks taken and a couple in the Glebe to finish off. Glad you had a good day. You got to see some classic Jimmy Anderson bowling, a classic "70" from Roooooot and a classic batting collapse from England. Sadly I think you also saw the day England lost the test. Conceding 130 on first innings batting second is not good. You imagine we'll need to bat 3+ sessions to save the game. Which is Cook territory. Sadly, for these particular circumstances, no one else seems to want to, or be able to, occupy the crease. Let's hope for something better but defeat sometime around tea looks distinctly likely. It would not be very surprising, sad to say. The morning was as good as Cricket gets, Anderson at his best, 3-2 and the Root counter atacking. One things for sure, at £20 a ticket today, regardless of England getting hammered I'd love to be there today.
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 17, 2017 9:13:58 GMT
Over 850 runs scored so far in 3 days, yet no one has scored a ton yet.
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 17, 2017 10:34:23 GMT
Cricket question.
What is h difference between the Duke ball and the Kookaburra?
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 17, 2017 10:45:44 GMT
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 12:27:51 GMT
Going well at the moment, 79-4 !!!
Jennings out for 3, Balance 4 , and Root 8
Things need to change drastically in terms of player selection, and number of batsmen/bowlers, and batting line-up.
|
|
|
Post by Squeekster on Jul 17, 2017 13:01:40 GMT
Going well at the moment, 79-4 !!! Jennings out for 3, Balance 4 , and Root 8 Things need to change drastically in terms of player selection, and number of batsmen/bowlers, and batting line-up. I'm all for the this new mentality but test cricket is that the shot selection in the first innings apart from Root was shocking. Need to build an innings get the shine off the ball and sit in till it becomes easier to score.
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 17, 2017 13:25:41 GMT
I said this morning we'd be all out before tea and we're going the right way about proving me right.. Unfortunately.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 13:32:57 GMT
Absolutely pathetic batting from England. I don't usually advocate wholesale changes but there's an argument to replace Jennings, Ballance, Dawson and Wood for the next test.....
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Jul 17, 2017 13:39:37 GMT
We'll be doing well to get to tea.
7th wicket down - and more than an hour to the break.
A doing.
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 17, 2017 13:44:20 GMT
If Root is insisting Ballance must be in the side because they are mates,he wants fucking with a rusty dildo.
Ballance may be good at County cricket, but he is useless at Test level.
Same goes for Jennings and Dawson. The 3 of them in these 2 Tests and 4 innings have done next to nothing.
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 17, 2017 13:53:47 GMT
They're batting like they don't give a shit, it's really really poor.
|
|
|
Post by partickpotter on Jul 17, 2017 15:03:22 GMT
A humiliating defeat.
You cannot keep losing wickets at the top of the order so quickly and expect to compete. Our opponents start an innings knowing they have a great chance of picking up early wickets against us.
But what's the answer (other than not going back to players who have failed). We've tried so many players who seem to have some critical technical errors that get exposed in test cricket.
There have to be changes in the next test.
|
|
|
Post by penkvillepotter on Jul 17, 2017 16:25:22 GMT
Abject.
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 17, 2017 16:40:34 GMT
A humiliating defeat. You cannot keep losing wickets at the top of the order so quickly and expect to compete. Our opponents start an innings knowing they have a great chance of picking up early wickets against us. But what's the answer (other than not going back to players who have failed). We've tried so many players who seem to have some critical technical errors that get exposed in test cricket. There have to be changes in the next test. Ironically, Hameed looked like he had the technique and the ability to be a good partner for Cook when he played for England and yet he can't score a run in county cricket.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 16:48:44 GMT
It's gone past the point of just being unlucky in one or two tests, there are serious deficiencies in the top order with some basic technical errors being repeated innings after innings.
The selection of Balance, whether Root was the instigator or not, has clearly not worked and he needs to be replaced, but by who is a major problem. Allied to this, as stated in previous posts, there are obvious problems with Jennings, Dawson and Wood who all need replacing for the next test but there are no obvious replacements ready to step up. The only sliver lining that I can see at the moment is that there is a question mark over Wood's fitness for the third test so there may be an enforced change there.
The whole team selection, batting order, number of batsman/bowlers also needs to be addressed.
Bit of a mess all round really.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 18:11:34 GMT
Stoneman has to come in to open, with maybe Nick Gubbins at 3. And Woakes for Wood:
Stoneman Cook Gubbins Root Ballance Stokes Bairstow Moeen Woakes Broad Anderson
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Jul 17, 2017 19:43:17 GMT
Stoneman has to come in to open, with maybe Nick Gubbins at 3. And Woakes for Wood: Stoneman Cook Gubbins Root Ballance Stokes Bairstow Moeen Woakes Broad Anderson Woakes is out with injury for the series, think Wood is carrying some kind of heel injury which is why his pace is down and he looks so ineffective, it'll probably be Roland-Jones who is picked if he is injured personally I'd give one of the Curran's a go or Jamie Overton as an out and out quick if he is fit. Never thought i'd say it but maybe Morgan should get another chance.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 20:13:40 GMT
Stoneman has to come in to open, with maybe Nick Gubbins at 3. And Woakes for Wood: Stoneman Cook Gubbins Root Ballance Stokes Bairstow Moeen Woakes Broad Anderson Woakes is out with injury for the series, think Wood is carrying some kind of heel injury which is why his pace is down and he looks so ineffective, it'll probably be Roland-Jones who is picked if he is injured personally I'd give one of the Curran's a go or Jamie Overton as an out and out quick if he is fit. Never thought i'd say it but maybe Morgan should get another chance. If Woakes is definitely out I would go with Curran
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 20:59:46 GMT
Stoneman has to come in to open, with maybe Nick Gubbins at 3. And Woakes for Wood: Stoneman Cook Gubbins Root Ballance Stokes Bairstow Moeen Woakes Broad Anderson No idea why the hell I typed Nick Gubbins as I meant David Malan
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Jul 17, 2017 21:07:42 GMT
Woakes is out with injury for the series, think Wood is carrying some kind of heel injury which is why his pace is down and he looks so ineffective, it'll probably be Roland-Jones who is picked if he is injured personally I'd give one of the Curran's a go or Jamie Overton as an out and out quick if he is fit. Never thought i'd say it but maybe Morgan should get another chance. If Woakes is definitely out I would go with Curran Yep he is definitely out, it has been hot and dry down here so is a chance two spinners are going to be picked again but please god not Dawson.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 21:16:40 GMT
If Woakes is definitely out I would go with Curran Yep he is definitely out, it has been hot and dry down here so is a chance two spinners are going to be picked again but please god not Dawson. On form this season got to be Leach. Or Rashid for variation....
|
|
|
Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 18, 2017 21:07:32 GMT
I don't like to wish injury on anyone but Gary Ballance is out of the next test with a broken finger. Interesting to see who comes in for him.
|
|
|
Post by followyoudown on Jul 18, 2017 21:29:54 GMT
Yep he is definitely out, it has been hot and dry down here so is a chance two spinners are going to be picked again but please god not Dawson. On form this season got to be Leach. Or Rashid for variation.... Leach won't be picked because he plays for Somerset. Jake Ball is expected to be back in the squad, I think this could be the beginning of the end for Bayliss as Test coach, he's fine with the ODI stuff but read a few articles saying he doesn't actually do very much in terms of coaching / tactics and has next to no knowledge of county cricket. I'm sure the yorkshire players would love Gillespie as coach but one journo was mentioning bringing back Flower.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 22:52:20 GMT
On form this season got to be Leach. Or Rashid for variation.... Leach won't be picked because he plays for Somerset. Jake Ball is expected to be back in the squad, I think this could be the beginning of the end for Bayliss as Test coach, he's fine with the ODI stuff but read a few articles saying he doesn't actually do very much in terms of coaching / tactics and has next to no knowledge of county cricket. I'm sure the yorkshire players would love Gillespie as coach but one journo was mentioning bringing back Flower. Mmmmmm, not convinced by Ball yet at all.....
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 22:57:09 GMT
Leach won't be picked because he plays for Somerset. Jake Ball is expected to be back in the squad, I think this could be the beginning of the end for Bayliss as Test coach, he's fine with the ODI stuff but read a few articles saying he doesn't actually do very much in terms of coaching / tactics and has next to no knowledge of county cricket. I'm sure the yorkshire players would love Gillespie as coach but one journo was mentioning bringing back Flower. Mmmmmm, not convinced by Ball yet at all..... Neither am I to be honest
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 23:01:43 GMT
On form this season got to be Leach. Or Rashid for variation.... Leach won't be picked because he plays for Somerset. Jake Ball is expected to be back in the squad, I think this could be the beginning of the end for Bayliss as Test coach, he's fine with the ODI stuff but read a few articles saying he doesn't actually do very much in terms of coaching / tactics and has next to no knowledge of county cricket. I'm sure the yorkshire players would love Gillespie as coach but one journo was mentioning bringing back Flower. That's actually true I believe ....he's never seen any of the players that are knocking the door play ! ....I'm not impressed with Mr Bayliss I'm afraid ....I think he lets Farbrace do his work for him .
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 23:06:21 GMT
Yep he is definitely out, it has been hot and dry down here so is a chance two spinners are going to be picked again but please god not Dawson. On form this season got to be Leach. Or Rashid for variation.... Obviously form has to be taken into consideration .....potential to be able to play at th highest level should be the most important thing for me though .
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 23:08:23 GMT
On form this season got to be Leach. Or Rashid for variation.... Obviously form has to be taken into consideration .....potential to be able to play at th highest level should be the most important thing for me though . To be fair Leach is one player I just haven't managed to see much of. Be good to see him in a test environment.....
|
|