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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 11:36:32 GMT
it's painful to watch. You feel it's only a matter of time. That injury certainly left a deep psychological scar. Proceeds to score more than Cook, Jennings, Baristow, Ballance and Dawson combined What a knock! Rode his luck and chanced his arm , which is how he should bat a valuable knock
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 11:39:06 GMT
Broad's batting reminds me of myself. it's painful to watch. You feel it's only a matter of time. That injury certainly left a deep psychological scar. It has , but there is always the chance of him playing this type of innings , I hate to see an International player backing away though .
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 7, 2017 11:43:09 GMT
The real test of captaincy starts now, pitch is doing a bit but not too much, and playing 2 spinners is a bold call.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 11:54:01 GMT
The real test of captaincy starts now, pitch is doing a bit but not too much, and playing 2 spinners is a bold call. Oh for the days of Edmonds and Emburey
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 14:06:04 GMT
The real test of captaincy starts now, pitch is doing a bit but not too much, and playing 2 spinners is a bold call. I chose two spinners in my team, it's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned with 4 seamers in the team. But Rashid not Dawson, he's bowling as well now as he ever has, is equally handy with the bat but is a genuine wicket taker unlike Dawson who has 130 odd wickets in 120 first class matches. Baffling selection if you ask me.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 14:21:30 GMT
The real test of captaincy starts now, pitch is doing a bit but not too much, and playing 2 spinners is a bold call. I chose two spinners in my team, it's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned with 4 seamers in the team. But Rashid not Dawson, he's bowling as well now as he ever has, is equally handy with the bat but is a genuine wicket taker unlike Dawson who has 130 odd wickets in 120 first class matches. Baffling selection if you ask me..... Although Rashid took over thirty wickets during the winter , they apparently think he bowls too many bad balls and concedes too many runs and is better suited to one day cricket at the moment ......seems like a contradictional way of thinking to me , he has the ability to be a match winner with the ball, something you wouldn't say of Moeen or Dawson
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 14:25:33 GMT
I chose two spinners in my team, it's a no brainer as far as I'm concerned with 4 seamers in the team. But Rashid not Dawson, he's bowling as well now as he ever has, is equally handy with the bat but is a genuine wicket taker unlike Dawson who has 130 odd wickets in 120 first class matches. Baffling selection if you ask me..... Although Rashid took over thirty wickets during the winter , they apparently think he bowls too many bad balls and concedes too many runs and is better suited to one day cricket at the moment ......seems like a contradictional way of thinking to me , he has the ability to be a match winner with the ball, something you wouldn't say of Moeen or Dawson Exactly. If he bowls a couple of bad overs just take him out of the firing line. With 5 other bowlers it's not a problem. They've picked Dawson because they think he's more economical than Rashid, in that case pick young Mason Crane. But then Dawson gets the nod over the likes of Crane because he can bat as well (despite today's duck) It's just arse about face.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 15:13:39 GMT
Well done Moeen Ali. 2000 runs and 100 wickets the 2nd quickest time in English cricket history.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 15:59:30 GMT
Well done Moeen Ali. 2000 runs and 100 wickets the 2nd quickest time in English cricket history. Yes he has done well , yet his bowling is probably the reason that the selectors have picked two spinners , steady but not really threatening despite picking up some valuable wickets periodically .We are still looking for that Swann replacement that really probably doesn't exist I'm afraid .
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 7, 2017 16:01:46 GMT
Hope I'm being premature here but Dawson juts looks like such a bits and pieces county player, not really turning it, no bounce, no interesting variation, going at 6s.
Makes the omission of Rashid even more bizarre.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 7, 2017 16:03:31 GMT
Although Rashid took over thirty wickets during the winter , they apparently think he bowls too many bad balls and concedes too many runs and is better suited to one day cricket at the moment ......seems like a contradictional way of thinking to me , he has the ability to be a match winner with the ball, something you wouldn't say of Moeen or Dawson Exactly. If he bowls a couple of bad overs just take him out of the firing line. With 5 other bowlers it's not a problem. They've picked Dawson because they think he's more economical than Rashid, in that case pick young Mason Crane. But then Dawson gets the nod over the likes of Crane because he can bat as well (despite today's duck) It's just arse about face..... Bit of a nonsense isn't it really?
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 7, 2017 18:35:49 GMT
Good day for England, in a very strong position now on a deteriorating pitch.
Also good news for England, Rabada has been suspended for the second test, he'll be a massive loss for the South Africans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2017 18:59:13 GMT
Better start by Cook and Jennings in the 2nd innings to get to 80 without loss.
Posted too soon ! Jennings out very next ball !
Good half century for Cook to be at 119-1 at the close and with the lead now 216.
We should be in a strong position tomorrow and then SA have a day and a session or so to try to save the game on a turning pitch.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2017 19:42:54 GMT
Our top 3 is rather one paced - slow.
Ok - shouldn't matter in this test as there is plenty of time left. But that won't always be the case.
Another argument for Root at 3.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 9, 2017 9:37:31 GMT
Well done Moeen Ali. 2000 runs and 100 wickets the 2nd quickest time in English cricket history. Yes he has done well , yet his bowling is probably the reason that the selectors have picked two spinners , steady but not really threatening despite picking up some valuable wickets periodically .We are still looking for that Swann replacement that really probably doesn't exist I'm afraid . The thinking supposedly is for Mo to concentrate on attacking bowling and use Dawson for containment. The fact his county team mate preferred Dawson over Rashid probably means his test career is pretty much over, I'm sure they'll give Crane a test debut sooner rather than later. Yep Swann is a really big miss lets hope they learn from that with the quicks they need to get the Currans, Overtons involved while Anderson and Broad are still around.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 9, 2017 9:51:38 GMT
Our top 3 is rather one paced - slow. Ok - shouldn't matter in this test as there is plenty of time left. But that won't always be the case. Another argument for Root at 3. I wouldn't move Root, he obviously feels 4 is his most favoured position and as captain you'd have to accept that. The selectors job should be to find someone else who can play in the top 3 who can score quickly and if Ballance has to play move him to 5 (I wouldn't have Ballance in the team btw)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 9:55:44 GMT
Yes he has done well , yet his bowling is probably the reason that the selectors have picked two spinners , steady but not really threatening despite picking up some valuable wickets periodically .We are still looking for that Swann replacement that really probably doesn't exist I'm afraid . The thinking supposedly is for Mo to concentrate on attacking bowling and use Dawson for containment. The fact his county team mate preferred Dawson over Rashid probably means his test career is pretty much over, I'm sure they'll give Crane a test debut sooner rather than later. Yep Swann is a really big miss lets hope they learn from that with the quicks they need to get the Currans, Overtons involved while Anderson and Broad are still around. On current form Samit Patel might be an interesting pick ? He's always been a decent player and at the moment he appears to be in the form of his life ....decent second string option in the spin department too.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 9, 2017 10:26:37 GMT
I get the feeling that South Africa aren't much interested in taking a wicket this morning. They seem to be trying to bowl dot balls rather than wicket taking ones. For example nothing straight and full to Ballance.
They are quite happy to have these two in and keeping the scoring rate low to take time out of the game.
I reckon they think England will want to get a lead of 400 or thereabouts and the later we get there the less batting SA will need to do to save the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 10:55:09 GMT
I get the feeling that South Africa aren't much interested in taking a wicket this morning. They seem to be trying to bowl dot balls rather than wicket taking ones. For example nothing straight and full to Ballance. They are quite happy to have these two in and keeping the scoring rate low to take time out of the game. I reckon they think England will want to get a lead of 400 or thereabouts and the later we get there the less batting SA will need to do to save the game. Well that's those two gone then !
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 9, 2017 11:48:42 GMT
I get the feeling that South Africa aren't much interested in taking a wicket this morning. They seem to be trying to bowl dot balls rather than wicket taking ones. For example nothing straight and full to Ballance. They are quite happy to have these two in and keeping the scoring rate low to take time out of the game. I reckon they think England will want to get a lead of 400 or thereabouts and the later we get there the less batting SA will need to do to save the game. Well that's those two gone then ! Make that 6!!!!!! Fascinating stuff.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 9, 2017 12:00:16 GMT
Make that 8, pretty ordinary stuff from England.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 12:05:26 GMT
What an absolute pigs ear we've made of this 2nd innings. And as for Dawson jeez.......
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Post by Bowyer83 on Jul 9, 2017 12:06:16 GMT
Really surprised how England have collapsed this morning after putting themselves in such a commanding position.
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Post by chuckrocky on Jul 9, 2017 12:14:47 GMT
Really surprised how England have collapsed this morning after putting themselves in such a commanding position. I can only presume you've only just started following England? We have always been the masters of the catastrophic collapse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 12:24:25 GMT
Really surprised how England have collapsed this morning after putting themselves in such a commanding position. You shouldn't be I'm afraid !
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Post by lordb on Jul 9, 2017 12:25:07 GMT
Still make England favourites.
Game on though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 12:30:14 GMT
Well that's those two gone then ! Make that 6!!!!!! Fascinating stuff. As always
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 9, 2017 12:49:00 GMT
Really surprised how England have collapsed this morning after putting themselves in such a commanding position. We are masters of grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Post by Bowyer83 on Jul 9, 2017 14:53:33 GMT
Really surprised how England have collapsed this morning after putting themselves in such a commanding position. I can only presume you've only just started following England? We have always been the masters of the catastrophic collapse. 😁😁😁 I've watched England for twenty plus years mate, I was just suprised when I turned on the telly and 4 wickets dropped so quickly. But the bowling conditions are now proving just as difficult for the South Africans.
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Post by lancashirelad on Jul 9, 2017 15:41:36 GMT
Good old fashions 1970s cricket spinners operating from both ends. I would not like to to try and bat this one out.
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