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Post by chell_rosey on Aug 23, 2017 9:52:07 GMT
Stop fucking about Scholes you prick. If Ryan has got the clause that allows his wage to match the top earner, it could be cause more problems than anyone can imagine. If we are to sign this supposed record transfer striker and we are willing perhaps to break the £100k a week barrier, Ryan is effectively holding this back. It's all very daft though as nowhere else is going to get near that wage. I am sure it will all come together at some point. If that clause exists then there will be a point in Ryan's career when the club feels that he isn't worth that level of commitment. Ryan isn't daft, he'll know that time will come although he's bound to push and manoeuvre for the best deal possible but then so will the club. I just hope we do things the right way for a player who's been the backbone of this club for so long.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 24, 2017 7:18:49 GMT
Mmmn Hughes making the point that Fletcher has excellent leadership qualities and after the Rochdale game, praising Joe Allen in similar fashion.
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Post by Davef on Aug 24, 2017 7:21:26 GMT
Mmmn Hughes making the point that Fletcher has excellent leadership qualities and after the Rochdale game, praising Joe Allen in similar fashion. That's only because he's been accused of not having enough leaders in the dressing room now that Whelan and Walters have left.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2017 7:21:34 GMT
"We need more leaders"
*we get more leaders*
"Make everyone captain"
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Post by hanibal7 on Aug 24, 2017 10:34:26 GMT
Stop fucking about Scholes you prick. If Ryan has got the clause that allows his wage to match the top earner, it could be cause more problems than anyone can imagine. If we are to sign this supposed record transfer striker and we are willing perhaps to break the £100k a week barrier, Ryan is effectively holding this back. It's all very daft though as nowhere else is going to get near that wage. I am sure it will all come together at some point. If, could be, maybe, supposed to be???, u ain't very sure pal
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 24, 2017 11:16:58 GMT
If Ryan has got the clause that allows his wage to match the top earner, it could be cause more problems than anyone can imagine. If we are to sign this supposed record transfer striker and we are willing perhaps to break the £100k a week barrier, Ryan is effectively holding this back. It's all very daft though as nowhere else is going to get near that wage. I am sure it will all come together at some point. If, could be, maybe, supposed to be???, u ain't very sure pal If Evans goes to Citeh this weekend then watch this space. If Shawcross develops a mystery injury and is unavailable for Sunday then be very suspicious.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 11:20:39 GMT
If, could be, maybe, supposed to be???, u ain't very sure pal If Evans goes to Citeh this weekend then watch this space. If Shawcross develops a mystery injury and is unavailable for Sunday then be very suspicious. Really couldn't see Ryan playing for TP ever again following 'Textgate'.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 24, 2017 11:32:04 GMT
Stop fucking about Scholes you prick. If Ryan has got the clause that allows his wage to match the top earner, it could be cause more problems than anyone can imagine. If we are to sign this supposed record transfer striker and we are willing perhaps to break the £100k a week barrier, Ryan is effectively holding this back. It's all very daft though as nowhere else is going to get near that wage. I am sure it will all come together at some point. If it's a sticking point, why haven't they opened negotiations yet? It won't get resolved by ignoring it.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 24, 2017 11:47:27 GMT
Perhaps Stoke City don't want to renew? Perhaps Ryan Shawcross doesn't want to renew?
Things change and Ryan no longer holds all the cards.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2017 11:53:28 GMT
Perhaps Stoke City don't want to renew? Perhaps Ryan Shawcross doesn't want to renew? Things change and Ryan no longer holds all the cards. Ryan has said he does want to renew.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 24, 2017 12:01:03 GMT
Perhaps Stoke City don't want to renew? Perhaps Ryan Shawcross doesn't want to renew? Things change and Ryan no longer holds all the cards. Ryan has said he does want to renew. I wouldn't believe what anyone in football says publicly. Apparently we're still in for this Engles character. I actually think Hughes is looking beyond Ryan, rightly or wrongly.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2017 12:06:23 GMT
Ryan has said he does want to renew. I wouldn't believe what anyone in football says publicly. Apparently we're still in for this Engles character. I actually think Hughes is looking beyond Ryan, rightly or wrongly. You'd imagine we'd be in for another centre half because we need one regardless of the Ryan situation though? Because Muniesa's gone and Wollscheid's going. Agree that you can usually take most public statements with a pinch of salt but it would be an odd thing for Ryan to say if he had no intention of signing, especially since he's essentially pointed the finger at the club.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 24, 2017 12:12:52 GMT
I think its becoming increasingly obvious that 'Stoke City don't want to renew' on anything approaching appropriate terms and they're willing to let him go. We're in the damage limitation phase now, expect the shit slinging phase to start very soon.
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Post by baystokie on Aug 24, 2017 12:13:42 GMT
Perhaps Stoke City don't want to renew? Perhaps Ryan Shawcross doesn't want to renew? Things change and Ryan no longer holds all the cards. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors? Why doesn't everyone just let Ryan and the club sort it out in their own time. Only the participants know where things stand and what, if anything, remains to be sorted. Anything else is conjecture, supposition and rumour which just breeds more guesswork which just encourages the regurgitation of more non-facts and non-information. Not sure that we know any more than we did at the start of this thread.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 24, 2017 12:21:09 GMT
Perhaps Stoke City don't want to renew? Perhaps Ryan Shawcross doesn't want to renew? Things change and Ryan no longer holds all the cards. . Anything else is conjecture, supposition and rumour which just breeds more guesswork which just encourages the regurgitation of more non-facts and non-information. Not sure that we know any more than we did at the start of this thread. The fact that the Captain and best player of the past decade is being allowed to quietly drift out of contract and there hasn't been one single contract offered as a first step obviously breeds conjecture, supposition, rumour and guesswork. It is conjecture, supposition rumour and guesswork entirely of the clubs own making because it's a borderline insane way in which to operate a football club.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 24, 2017 12:29:08 GMT
If, could be, maybe, supposed to be???, u ain't very sure pal If Evans goes to Citeh this weekend then watch this space. If Shawcross develops a mystery injury and is unavailable for Sunday then be very suspicious. Well he isn't cup tied He still has a lot to offer, looks comfortable alongside Zouma, I hope he stays
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 24, 2017 12:30:37 GMT
Was told last night that he's had an offer that he doesn't think is good enough but Stoke are adamant it is.Ultimatum given to him apparently either sign it or be sold.Time will tell whether this is correct or not
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Aug 24, 2017 12:35:27 GMT
It is conjecture, supposition, rumor and guesswork entirely of The Oatcake's making because of the borderline insanity of many of its posters.
There, that reads better.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 24, 2017 12:40:30 GMT
It is conjecture, supposition, rumor and guesswork entirely of The Oatcake's making because of the borderline insanity of many of its posters. There, that reads better. Yeah because of the thousands and thousands of examples of clubs letting their Captain, leader and best player drift out of contract. Nothing to see here whatsoever. This is entirely normal behaviour with countless examples of similar incidents. My mistake.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2017 12:41:31 GMT
Ryan has said he does want to renew. I wouldn't believe what anyone in football says publicly. Apparently we're still in for this Engles character. I actually think Hughes is looking beyond Ryan, rightly or wrongly. Wrongly. It's got Huth written all over it again.
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Post by Gods on Aug 24, 2017 12:43:46 GMT
It's inconceivable we haven't at least been willing to put something on the table isn't it? The sort of scenario I can imagine is that Ryan's team have said something to the effect of 'don't bother putting anything forward unless it's an improvement on the current deal because we know he can get a better deal elsewhere' or words to that effect and so we haven't so far It's a crazy act of self-harm if we don't get him signed up IMHO.
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Aug 24, 2017 12:48:33 GMT
Was told last night that he's had an offer that he doesn't think is good enough but Stoke are adamant it is.Ultimatum given to him apparently either sign it or be sold.Time will tell whether this is correct or not If that's true they have left it very late.
Up until now Ryan has stated that he hadn't been made an offer but indicated that he wanted to stay - which I personally believe. I think we are all in agreement that as a loyal soldier for our club that it would be ideal in all cases if he were resigned on a 2 year extension, even if it is likely that he may not be starting in future seasons. However, if Shawx wants a deal that is not realistic to the club (contract length or wages) we should have been on this months ago and sold him for a true value, not a forced one at the end of this window or in January.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 12:58:58 GMT
I'm hoping its just cover and/or looking at next season when Zouma ends his loan Will also mean Wolly to leave too Can see this going to 11pm on the 31st and we try for a last minute Wimmer Anyone know if Zouma can be recalled by Chelsea mid season.? It is a possibility IF Zouma and both clubs agreed when he signed the loan If it was possible they already would have done. With Rudiger not settling in nicely and the disciplinary crisis his club already has hit the panick button and would have recalled him. Also if it was possible for them to recall him, Zouma would not have been allowed to play in the cup, but he did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 13:02:17 GMT
Saving it for a piece of big news when we need something to avert attention from our lack of activity I can read us like a book now I know it will be hard for you to stomach, but you were wrong...again!
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Aug 24, 2017 13:19:05 GMT
It is conjecture, supposition, rumor and guesswork entirely of The Oatcake's making because of the borderline insanity of many of its posters. There, that reads better. Yeah because of the thousands and thousands of examples of clubs letting their Captain, leader and best player drift out of contract. Nothing to see here whatsoever. This is entirely normal behaviour with countless examples of similar incidents. My mistake. It is a mistake, not in terms of your opinion of the club's handling of the contract, but the fact that the conjecture, supposition, rumor and guesswork is not of the club's making but rather The Oatcake's. You didn't get that the first time from your own hand and didn't get it the second time in my corrected version. Carry on.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2017 13:22:27 GMT
There's uncertainty surrounding the future of the club's captain, a bona fide modern day legend. Of course fans are going to speculate.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Aug 24, 2017 13:28:38 GMT
There's uncertainty surrounding the future of the club's captain, a bona fide modern day legend. Of course fans are going to speculate. But is it the fans who are making the speculation, not the club. The club is to blame for that speculation but they are not making it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2017 13:32:28 GMT
There's uncertainty surrounding the future of the club's captain, a bona fide modern day legend. Of course fans are going to speculate. But is it the fans who are making the speculation, not the club. The club is to blame for that speculation but they are not making it. My point is that you can't expect the fans not to speculate when a situation like this arises. It seems distinctly odd that this hasn't been sorted yet.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Aug 24, 2017 13:37:47 GMT
But is it the fans who are making the speculation, not the club. The club is to blame for that speculation but they are not making it. My point is that you can't expect the fans not to speculate when a situation like this arises. It seems distinctly odd that this hasn't been sorted yet. Absolutely.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Aug 24, 2017 13:44:42 GMT
Ryan has said he does want to renew. I wouldn't believe what anyone in football says publicly. Apparently we're still in for this Engles character. I actually think Hughes is looking beyond Ryan, rightly or wrongly. I get what youre saying about not believing what anyone in football says publicly, but I also wouldnt go putting too much weight on rumours from SSN, red tops and any random fucker with a twatter account...
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