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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 8, 2017 21:50:25 GMT
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 8, 2017 22:11:15 GMT
Unless he doesn't want to sign (which I'd be surprised and very disappointed about) I hope we aren't being overly complacent.
Just get him fucking signed up for Christ's sake!
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Post by Olgrligm on Jun 8, 2017 22:27:24 GMT
It's all very worrying. I'd let any other player at the club leave before letting Ryan go.
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Post by wuzza on Jun 8, 2017 22:35:53 GMT
Hard to tell but this is as likely to be Ryan's people playing hardball as anything else.
There are likely to be a raft of bottom half PL clubs who would have an interest in such an experienced no-nonsense defender and as such they are going to be going all out for a big contract for their lad at such a significant time of his career.
Ryan's an absolute club hero but in the end he's as subject to the usual modern day player demands as any other.
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Post by malisastokie on Jun 9, 2017 4:26:31 GMT
If for what ever reason he does not sign, he will walk with a free transfer next summer.
We cant sell him this summer as we don't have another centre half in the club other than the fool from Germany.
He is in the box seat to negotiate very hard because as stated on a previous thread he has plenty of admirers and we have no centre halves.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 9, 2017 9:32:10 GMT
Bruno has told him that he should be thinking about life near a beach.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 9, 2017 10:39:54 GMT
If for what ever reason he does not sign, he will walk with a free transfer next summer. We cant sell him this summer as we don't have another centre half in the club other than the fool from Germany. He is in the box seat to negotiate very hard because as stated on a previous thread he has plenty of admirers and we have no centre halves. I would hope we make him a perfectly reasonable offer given his years of service. If he doesn't sign, I really wouldn't want him to wind his time down with us and go for nothing. We'd have to take what we could. It all needs to be done quickly in order for us to get a replacement in (Maguire?). My feelings about Ryan are getting more ambivalent as each month passes. I'll happily see him remain, but wouldn't be distraught if he left as I think his best days are done. It's my personal opinion. As a member of the old guard his departure would be a wrench and of the other candidates who may be on their way (Whelan, Walters, Adam), the absence of our long-serving skipper would a be a tough one to take, but change is inevitable, it's just a matter of when. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 9, 2017 10:44:26 GMT
Ryan is finished. Why would we offer him a new contract. Fuck him off. He's no great loss
as some idiots that frequent this board would say! Not me I might add!
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Post by flinteastwood on Jun 9, 2017 10:48:17 GMT
it probably has less to do with money and more about contract length for both parties, I would imagine Ryan wants a longer contract to keep him safe into his mid thirties on a decent wage where as the club probably want a shorter contract. just offer the man what he wants. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 9, 2017 11:59:36 GMT
Ryan is finished. Why would we offer him a new contract. Fuck him off. He's no great loss Alright Dave? I respect your opinion as ever mate. However, this board has plenty of Walters fans and Erik critics, which makes it constantly interesting  as some idiots that frequent this board would say! Not me I might add! |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 9, 2017 12:35:21 GMT
Once again you've fucked up the quote function Jimmy. It really isn't that difficult mate!  Differing opinions on Erik and Walters and fine. Both are crap and great in equal measure. Ryan, however, is an infinitely superior player to both and his qualities are evident to anyone with half a brain cell. A club like Stoke City cannot afford to be losing a player like Ryan Shawcross to a sideways move where we don't secure the transfer fee that his ability demands. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 9, 2017 12:39:57 GMT
Once again you've fucked up the quote function Jimmy. It really isn't that difficult mate! Differing opinions on Erik and Walters and fine. Both are crap and great in equal measure. Ryan, however, is an infinitely superior player to both and his qualities are evident to anyone with half a brain cell. A club like Stoke City cannot afford to be losing a player like Ryan Shawcross to a sideways move where we don't secure the transfer fee that his ability demands. I'm having a bad day on the keyboard mate! We could have saved ourselves this angst and anguish by tying Ryan down a season earlier though. Who knows what we're offering or what he's asking for. If the worst happens, no-one will come out of this very well. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Jun 9, 2017 12:48:47 GMT
Ryan is a club legend, but anyone who doesn't think his best days are behind him is kidding himself. That bad back is looking fragile and a real hindrance to his ability to play at his best, and will probably only become more of an issue with each passing season.
Yes, I want him to stay, but he is not a "highest earner on a five year deal" material anymore. I hope a compromise can be found, as watching him play for another team now would be hard. Nevertheless, all players have their sell by date though, and his looks to be getting closer all the time. I just hope that, when such time comes, we deal with him with the respect his 10 years of wonderful service so richly deserves.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 9, 2017 12:58:12 GMT
Ryan is a club legend, but anyone who doesn't think his best days are behind him is kidding himself. That bad back is looking fragile and a real hindrance to his ability to play at his best, and will probably only become more of an issue with each passing season. Yes, I want him to stay, but he is not a "highest earner on a five year deal" material anymore. I hope a compromise can be found, as watching him play for another team now would be hard. Nevertheless, all players have their sell by date though, and his looks to be getting closer all the time. I just hope that, when such time comes, we deal with him with the respect his 10 years of wonderful service so richly deserves. The problem Jezza is that his imperious form is taken for granted by so many. If another player plays OK, he gets 6/7 out of 10. If Ryan plays OK he get a 4/5 out of 10 and people say he's not the player he was. If another player plays well, he gets an 8/9 out of 10 whereas Ryan gets a 7. His imperious performances were taken as a given. Bruno is a fine example of that. He's been good and I like him but Ryan has been far superior to him across the course of a whole season yet people are falling over themselves to bash the club because Bruno hasn't signed yet whilst supporters had him in the running for POY. Those same people claim Ryan's powers are waning and that he would be no loss to the team. It is ridiculous. Stories of his demise are massively exaggerated. He's as important to us now as he's ever been, possibly even more so than ever. I hope he signs and signs quickly. His time to depart is at least another 3-4 years away. |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 9, 2017 13:54:10 GMT
Ryan is a club legend, but anyone who doesn't think his best days are behind him is kidding himself. That bad back is looking fragile and a real hindrance to his ability to play at his best, and will probably only become more of an issue with each passing season. Yes, I want him to stay, but he is not a "highest earner on a five year deal" material anymore. I hope a compromise can be found, as watching him play for another team now would be hard. Nevertheless, all players have their sell by date though, and his looks to be getting closer all the time. I just hope that, when such time comes, we deal with him with the respect his 10 years of wonderful service so richly deserves. The problem Jezza is that his imperious form is taken for granted by so many. If another player plays OK, he gets 6/7 out of 10. If Ryan plays OK he get a 4/5 out of 10 and people say he's not the player he was. If another player plays well, he gets an 8/9 out of 10 whereas Ryan gets a 7. His imperious performances were taken as a given. Bruno is a fine example of that. He's been good and I like him but Ryan has been far superior to him across the course of a whole season yet people are falling over themselves to bash the club because Bruno hasn't signed yet whilst supporters had him in the running for POY. Those same people claim Ryan's powers are waning and that he would be no loss to the team. It is ridiculous. Stories of his demise are massively exaggerated. He's as important to us now as he's ever been, possibly even more so than ever. I hope he signs and signs quickly. His time to depart is at least another 3-4 years away. Imperious form? Not this season really Dave. I hope I'm wrong (and I'm sure I speak for Jezza, too) and Ryan goes on to be the player he was a few seasons ago. Let's see how it all goes mate...at least we can have a civilised debate about it!!! |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 9, 2017 14:44:10 GMT
The problem Jezza is that his imperious form is taken for granted by so many. If another player plays OK, he gets 6/7 out of 10. If Ryan plays OK he get a 4/5 out of 10 and people say he's not the player he was. If another player plays well, he gets an 8/9 out of 10 whereas Ryan gets a 7. His imperious performances were taken as a given. Bruno is a fine example of that. He's been good and I like him but Ryan has been far superior to him across the course of a whole season yet people are falling over themselves to bash the club because Bruno hasn't signed yet whilst supporters had him in the running for POY. Those same people claim Ryan's powers are waning and that he would be no loss to the team. It is ridiculous. Stories of his demise are massively exaggerated. He's as important to us now as he's ever been, possibly even more so than ever. I hope he signs and signs quickly. His time to depart is at least another 3-4 years away. Imperious form? Not this season really Dave. I hope I'm wrong (and I'm sure I speak for Jezza, too) and Ryan goes on to be the player he was a few seasons ago. Let's see how it all goes mate...at least we can have a civilised debate about it!!! I'm not saying he's been imperious this past season because clearly he hasn't. Less than his imperious best is still bloody good and far better than the highly rated Bruno Martins Indi. He's still turned in some outstanding performances through the season where he's looked every inch as good as he's ever been. Like the rest of the team, he's turned in some uncharacteristically poor performances as well. I'm merely stating that Shawcross is seeming judged with higher expectation than other players as his outstanding performances have been taken for granted somewhat. How else do you explain that he doesn't have a single Player of the Year award to his name during our time in the Premier League? |
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 9, 2017 14:57:56 GMT
Imperious form? Not this season really Dave. I hope I'm wrong (and I'm sure I speak for Jezza, too) and Ryan goes on to be the player he was a few seasons ago. Let's see how it all goes mate...at least we can have a civilised debate about it!!! I'm not saying he's been imperious this past season because clearly he hasn't. Less than his imperious best is still bloody good and far better than the highly rated Bruno Martins Indi. He's still turned in some outstanding performances through the season where he's looked every inch as good as he's ever been. Like the rest of the team, he's turned in some uncharacteristically poor performances as well. I'm merely stating that Shawcross is seeming judged with higher expectation than other players as his outstanding performances have been taken for granted somewhat. How else do you explain that he doesn't have a single Player of the Year award to his name during our time in the Premier League? I'd say that when push comes to shove some folk don't rate him as highly as you do. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 9, 2017 15:14:09 GMT
The problem with even contemplating a Shawcross departure is the fact that we currently have no good defenders under contract apart from him, and pre-season starts in a month.
I get the argument he isn't the quite the absolute colossus he's been for much of our time in the Prem and, under normal circumstances, you could mount some kind of argument for a sale this summer if what he was asking for was hefty in terms of years or salary, but in these circumstances, it'd be a hell of a call.
You'd have to be more convinced than I am that he's in steep decline to leave yourselves open like that - but hard to know what the real story is without knowing what his agent is asking for.
If he's asking for some match-the-highest-earner clause (which he may or may not have at the moment) or another 4 or 5-yr deal, you could well understand some hesitation.
Fiddly one, and could be an interesting call if we are offered £7-8m for him in this situation and face the prospect of him walking next summer if he's disgruntled
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Post by superheroantonius on Jun 9, 2017 15:31:47 GMT
I like Ryan , he is a good player
But for me the sensible concern about arnie not signing last year , ryan this year etc comes from hughes not playing our best young players
if he had players like sobhi , ngoy , Sweeney , verlinden Edwards etc playing in the league cup and some of them of (say 3 on the bench ) comming on when we go two nil down in the prem we might know if they are any good not .
Say we go two nil down in the prem and hughes puts on sobhi and Edwards ... what harm can it do ? we are already two nil down ...they are not going to be undoing the good work of the senior players and making us lose ... as its not happening and one or two of them need subbing off anyway .
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Post by jezzascfc on Jun 9, 2017 15:54:38 GMT
The problem with even contemplating a Shawcross departure is the fact that we currently have no good defenders under contract apart from him, and pre-season starts in a month. I get the argument he isn't the quite the absolute colossus he's been for much of our time in the Prem and, under normal circumstances, you could mount some kind of argument for a sale this summer if what he was asking for was hefty in terms of years or salary, but in these circumstances, it'd be a hell of a call. You'd have to be more convinced than I am that he's in steep decline to leave yourselves open like that - but hard to know what the real story is without knowing what is agent is asking for. If he's asking for some match-the-highest-earner clause (which he may or may not have at the moment) or another 4 or 5-yr deal, you could well understand some hesitation. Fiddly one, and could be an interesting call if we are offered £7-8m for him in this situation and face the prospect of him walking next summer if he's disgruntled Talk of interest in the likes of Murillo and Maguire, plus the continuing search for a resolution to the Bruno saga, not to mention the acquisition already of a captain in waiting in Fletcher, suggests the club are trying to cover all angles when it comes to Ryan. It seems by no means certain, at this stage, that he will still be at the club when the season kicks off in August. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 9, 2017 15:57:46 GMT
Imperious form? Not this season really Dave. I hope I'm wrong (and I'm sure I speak for Jezza, too) and Ryan goes on to be the player he was a few seasons ago. Let's see how it all goes mate...at least we can have a civilised debate about it!!! I'm not saying he's been imperious this past season because clearly he hasn't. Less than his imperious best is still bloody good and far better than the highly rated Bruno Martins Indi. He's still turned in some outstanding performances through the season where he's looked every inch as good as he's ever been. Like the rest of the team, he's turned in some uncharacteristically poor performances as well. I'm merely stating that Shawcross is seeming judged with higher expectation than other players as his outstanding performances have been taken for granted somewhat. How else do you explain that he doesn't have a single Player of the Year award to his name during our time in the Premier League? I'm kind of with you on holding Ryan to higher standards but "far better" than Bruno this season? Come on |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 9, 2017 16:33:50 GMT
I'm not saying he's been imperious this past season because clearly he hasn't. Less than his imperious best is still bloody good and far better than the highly rated Bruno Martins Indi. He's still turned in some outstanding performances through the season where he's looked every inch as good as he's ever been. Like the rest of the team, he's turned in some uncharacteristically poor performances as well. I'm merely stating that Shawcross is seeming judged with higher expectation than other players as his outstanding performances have been taken for granted somewhat. How else do you explain that he doesn't have a single Player of the Year award to his name during our time in the Premier League? I'm kind of with you on holding Ryan to higher standards but "far better" than Bruno this season? Come on Ryan is a far superior and consistent performer in my opinion and bruno's mistakes cost us more goals than Ryan's. Id also argue that Ryan's best performances were far better than bruno's and his worst weren't as bad |
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 9, 2017 16:39:43 GMT
I'm kind of with you on holding Ryan to higher standards but "far better" than Bruno this season? Come on Ryan is a far superior and consistent performer in my opinion and bruno's mistakes cost us more goals than Ryan's. Id also argue that Ryan's best performances were far better than bruno's and his worst weren't as bad Fair enough. I love them both and they seem to compliment each other as a pair, covering for each other well. Bruno was my PotS this year though |
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 9, 2017 17:08:10 GMT
Hard to tell but this is as likely to be Ryan's people playing hardball as anything else. There are likely to be a raft of bottom half PL clubs who would have an interest in such an experienced no-nonsense defender and as such they are going to be going all out for a big contract for their lad at such a significant time of his career. Ryan's an absolute club hero but in the end he's as subject to the usual modern day player demands as any other. His relationship with the fans has soured this year and i would think that would be a contributory factor also. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jun 10, 2017 6:42:47 GMT
I'm kind of with you on holding Ryan to higher standards but "far better" than Bruno this season? Come on Ryan is a far superior and consistent performer in my opinion and bruno's mistakes cost us more goals than Ryan's. Id also argue that Ryan's best performances were far better than bruno's and his worst weren't as bad Why would any club seriously consider selling their best (and by some distance) defender? I'm hoping it's all just as taken for granted as the top brass appear to think it is abs he'll sign up no problem. I hope.... |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 10, 2017 7:22:03 GMT
Really hope Bruno signs and that Ryan is staying as I think we finally have a pairing that is good enough for this league. In addition we need fullbacks who can do their jobs as well. I'm OK with Bards on the right side, but not Johnson who I think had a very ordinary season. Eric made too many silly mistakes this season so an upgrade in that position is certainly needed too. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 19, 2017 6:30:25 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Jun 19, 2017 6:37:37 GMT
To start the new season minus one Club legend would be understandable.
To start minus two Club legends would be questionable.
To start minus two Club legends and the most important player in our recent history would be relegatable.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jun 19, 2017 6:42:21 GMT
Is it just me or is that story particularly unhelpful in terms of telling us anything useful? I read it earlier and I was none the wiser after I had read it. It was about as useful as last month's Conservative election manifesto.  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 19, 2017 8:31:11 GMT
Is it just me or is that story particularly unhelpful in terms of telling us anything useful? I read it earlier and I was none the wiser after I had read it. It was about as useful as last month's Conservative election manifesto. Yeah. Clearly has nothing to say on the subject of note which is worrying. I think most clubs would worry if their captain was entering his final year with apparently no immediate desire to put pen to paper. It'll be interesting to see what would happen if we got a decent offer. Can't really see how we could afford to let him go under any circumstances with zero decent defenders on the books. |
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