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Post by baystokie on Aug 24, 2017 13:50:52 GMT
. Anything else is conjecture, supposition and rumour which just breeds more guesswork which just encourages the regurgitation of more non-facts and non-information. Not sure that we know any more than we did at the start of this thread. The fact that the Captain and best player of the past decade is being allowed to quietly drift out of contract and there hasn't been one single contract offered as a first step obviously breeds conjecture, supposition, rumour and guesswork. It is conjecture, supposition rumour and guesswork entirely of the clubs own making because it's a borderline insane way in which to operate a football club. That it is your OPINION that that Ryan is 'being allowed to drift out of contract', however, sincerely held, does not make it a fact. How do you know there hasn't been a single contract offered - you've personally asked Ryan? The conjecture etc is of the fans' making as they cannot abide 'nothing' happening, they can't cope with silence and have to be fed info whatever it is. You may feel it's 'borderline insanity' but that's a very sweeping comment bearing in mind what you, as well as the rest of us, know about the subject - in my opinion
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 24, 2017 14:13:46 GMT
If Ryan has got the clause that allows his wage to match the top earner, it could be cause more problems than anyone can imagine. If we are to sign this supposed record transfer striker and we are willing perhaps to break the Β£100k a week barrier, Ryan is effectively holding this back. It's all very daft though as nowhere else is going to get near that wage. I am sure it will all come together at some point. If, could be, maybe, supposed to be???, u ain't very sure pal u aint? I'm sure one 1 thing, "u aint" adding anything constructive to this message board in any of your 2000+ posts, all you fucking do is criticise the content of other posts.
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Post by MilanStokie on Aug 24, 2017 14:16:00 GMT
If Ryan has got the clause that allows his wage to match the top earner, it could be cause more problems than anyone can imagine. If we are to sign this supposed record transfer striker and we are willing perhaps to break the Β£100k a week barrier, Ryan is effectively holding this back. It's all very daft though as nowhere else is going to get near that wage. I am sure it will all come together at some point. If it's a sticking point, why haven't they opened negotiations yet? It won't get resolved by ignoring it. The point in running over a few possibilities was to sort of highlight that nobody knows what stage this is at. How do we know negotiations haven't started? Because of a few vague tweets that don't really give much away? A few quotes in the trustworthy papers? I singled out one of the more likely scenarios, but as with most on this board, its just second guessing for now.
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Post by chell_rosey on Aug 24, 2017 15:22:28 GMT
The fact that the Captain and best player of the past decade is being allowed to quietly drift out of contract and there hasn't been one single contract offered as a first step obviously breeds conjecture, supposition, rumour and guesswork. It is conjecture, supposition rumour and guesswork entirely of the clubs own making because it's a borderline insane way in which to operate a football club. That it is your OPINION that that Ryan is 'being allowed to drift out of contract', however, sincerely held, does not make it a fact. How do you know there hasn't been a single contract offered - you've personally asked Ryan? The conjecture etc is of the fans' making as they cannot abide 'nothing' happening, they can't cope with silence and have to be fed info whatever it is. You may feel it's 'borderline insanity' but that's a very sweeping comment bearing in mind what you, as well as the rest of us, know about the subject - in my opinion The club are and have been manoeuvring themselves into a position whereby there is now competition for Ryan's place and they have enough options to toughen up re his new contract offer. I doubt the fabled 'match the highest earner' clause is now on the table.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 24, 2017 17:29:08 GMT
I think its becoming increasingly obvious that 'Stoke City don't want to renew' on anything approaching appropriate terms and they're willing to let him go. We're in the damage limitation phase now, expect the shit slinging phase to start very soon. Whatever the intentions of the club are , he needs to sign a new deal even if the club intend to sell him . Otherwise he leaves for a song in Jan or bugger all in June
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Post by Gods on Aug 24, 2017 17:35:53 GMT
I think its becoming increasingly obvious that 'Stoke City don't want to renew' on anything approaching appropriate terms and they're willing to let him go. We're in the damage limitation phase now, expect the shit slinging phase to start very soon. Whatever the intentions of the club are , he needs to sign a new deal even if the club intend to sell him . Otherwise he leaves for a song in Jan or bugger all in June Yes. Coates moaned his bag off about the 'wasted time' on Arnie's renewal but truth is it was the best few hours we ever spent, it meant we got Β£20m + for him rather than the relative pittance we got for Steven N'Zonzi.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 24, 2017 17:41:17 GMT
. Anything else is conjecture, supposition and rumour which just breeds more guesswork which just encourages the regurgitation of more non-facts and non-information. Not sure that we know any more than we did at the start of this thread. The fact that the Captain and best player of the past decade is being allowed to quietly drift out of contract and there hasn't been one single contract offered as a first step obviously breeds conjecture, supposition, rumour and guesswork. It is conjecture, supposition rumour and guesswork entirely of the clubs own making because it's a borderline insane way in which to operate a football club. But he's not the best player NOW is he? We should keep him, we should offer him a decent wedge BUT no way should we be talking about matching the highest earner bollocks. The player also has to weigh up his options. Can he improve on Stoke City in England? I'm not sure.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 24, 2017 18:28:11 GMT
The fact that the Captain and best player of the past decade is being allowed to quietly drift out of contract and there hasn't been one single contract offered as a first step obviously breeds conjecture, supposition, rumour and guesswork. It is conjecture, supposition rumour and guesswork entirely of the clubs own making because it's a borderline insane way in which to operate a football club. But he's not the best player NOW is he? We should keep him, we should offer him a decent wedge BUT no way should we be talking about matching the highest earner bollocks. The player also has to weigh up his options. Can he improve on Stoke City in England? I'm not sure. He's still our second best defender now and the best isn't our player and never will be. On that basis I urge the club to stop fucking about.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 24, 2017 18:32:43 GMT
New 2 year deal with a option to extend for. Third subject t appearances will be announced in September is my best guess .
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 24, 2017 18:41:46 GMT
But he's not the best player NOW is he? We should keep him, we should offer him a decent wedge BUT no way should we be talking about matching the highest earner bollocks. The player also has to weigh up his options. Can he improve on Stoke City in England? I'm not sure. He's still our second best defender now and the best isn't our player and never will be. On that basis I urge the club to stop fucking about. Out of interest, who is the best?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 24, 2017 18:44:09 GMT
He's still our second best defender now and the best isn't our player and never will be. On that basis I urge the club to stop fucking about. Out of interest, who is the best? I think Zouma will prove to be by far and away the best this season.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 24, 2017 18:47:12 GMT
Out of interest, who is the best? I think Zouma will prove to be by far and away the best this season. Bayern doesn't think so and everything he says is a fact don't you know?
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 24, 2017 21:45:19 GMT
He's still our second best defender now and the best isn't our player and never will be. On that basis I urge the club to stop fucking about. Out of interest, who is the best? Butland is our best player.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2017 21:51:24 GMT
But he's not the best player NOW is he? We should keep him, we should offer him a decent wedge BUT no way should we be talking about matching the highest earner bollocks. Β The player also has to weigh up his options. Β Can he improve on Stoke City in England? Β I'm not sure. He's still our second best defender now and the best isn't our player and never will be. On that basis I urge the club to stop fucking about. He's the best defender we own still though. Selling him would be the most fucked up decision since well......I can't remember.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 24, 2017 21:52:56 GMT
I think Zouma will prove to be by far and away the best this season. Bayern doesn't think so and everything he says is a fact don't you know? Eh? I've never said that. I wouldn't play him because we don't own him, I've never bought his quality into it.
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Post by hanibal7 on Aug 25, 2017 2:42:38 GMT
If, could be, maybe, supposed to be???, u ain't very sure pal u aint? I'm sure one 1 thing, "u aint" adding anything constructive to this message board in any of your 2000+ posts, all you fucking do is criticise the content of other posts. Only stupid posts pal, ain't it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 2:54:24 GMT
The fact that the Captain and best player of the past decade is being allowed to quietly drift out of contract and there hasn't been one single contract offered as a first step obviously breeds conjecture, supposition, rumour and guesswork. It is conjecture, supposition rumour and guesswork entirely of the clubs own making because it's a borderline insane way in which to operate a football club. That it is your OPINION that that Ryan is 'being allowed to drift out of contract', however, sincerely held, does not make it a fact. How do you know there hasn't been a single contract offered - you've personally asked Ryan? The conjecture etc is of the fans' making as they cannot abide 'nothing' happening, they can't cope with silence and have to be fed info whatever it is. You may feel it's 'borderline insanity' but that's a very sweeping comment bearing in mind what you, as well as the rest of us, know about the subject - in my opinion Good point. This forum is awash with ranting know nothings.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 25, 2017 5:41:26 GMT
Bayern doesn't think so and everything he says is a fact don't you know? Eh? I've never said that. I wouldn't play him because we don't own him, I've never bought his quality into it. You said Ryan is our best defender. That is questioning Zouma's ability if you ask me.
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 25, 2017 6:15:14 GMT
Bayern doesn't think so and everything he says is a fact don't you know? Eh? I've never said that. I wouldn't play him because we don't own him, I've never bought his quality into it. I know you like permanent deals, rather than loans Bayern. But to call Zouma "A shite loanee from Chelsea" was a little silly. Another classic from your collection.π...........π
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 25, 2017 6:32:49 GMT
Eh? I've never said that. I wouldn't play him because we don't own him, I've never bought his quality into it. I know you like permanent deals, rather than loans Bayern. But to call Zouma "A shite loanee from Chelsea" was a little silly. Another classic from your collection.π...........π I wonder if Bayern called Shawcross "a shite loanee from Man U" when TP first signed him on loan ten years ago?
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 25, 2017 6:35:21 GMT
I know you like permanent deals, rather than loans Bayern. But to call Zouma "A shite loanee from Chelsea" was a little silly. Another classic from your collection.π...........π I wonder if Bayern called Shawcross "a shite loanee from Man U" when TP first signed him on loan ten years ago? And as for Mark Steinπ
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 25, 2017 6:38:04 GMT
I wonder if Bayern called Shawcross "a shite loanee from Man U" when TP first signed him on loan ten years ago? And as for Mark Steinπ Yes, another shite loan - they should all be banned!
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Post by Davef on Aug 25, 2017 6:59:29 GMT
And as for Mark Steinπ Yes, another shite loan - they should all be banned! And don't get me started on Deon Burton... Pfft, loans... what's the point?
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Post by fca47 on Aug 25, 2017 7:01:54 GMT
The evidence seems to be pointing to Ryan's departure, our connection to all these CB's , no contract with a week to go, Fletcher brought in to replace him as captain.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 25, 2017 7:10:58 GMT
Yes there are reds under the bed everywhere. π
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 25, 2017 7:25:26 GMT
Simple interpretation:
We're playing 3 CBs and need to have 4 decent CBs to provide cover
Oatcake Interpretation:
Shawcross is in fact an alien who has impregnated Marc Muniesa as part of a master plan to take over the world in the form of diminutive Spanish defenders. Mark Hughes, part time Agent of Shield, has found out about the plan, has already shipped off Muniesa (now in the first bloom of pregnancy and a little weepy) and is looking to loan Shawcross to the Saturnalian Sentinels (currently based on the moon Titan while their home ground is extended) with a buy out clause of 1 million zinconblats.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 25, 2017 7:28:11 GMT
Simple interpretation: We're playing 3 CBs and need to have 4 decent CBs to provide cover Oatcake Interpretation: Shawcross is in fact an alien who has impregnated Marc Muniesa as part of a master plan to take over the world in the form of diminutive Spanish defenders. Mark Hughes, part time Agent of Shield, has found out about the plan, has already shipped off Muniesa (now in the first bloom of pregnancy and a little weepy) and is looking to loan Shawcross to the Saturnalian Sentinels (currently based on the moon Titan while their home ground is extended) with a buy out clause of 1 million zinconblats. Oatcake interpretation every time mate. It's easier for some to get their noggins around rather than little old Stoke having too many good footballers in the squad.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 25, 2017 7:31:16 GMT
Simple interpretation: We're playing 3 CBs and need to have 4 decent CBs to provide cover Oatcake Interpretation: Shawcross is in fact an alien who has impregnated Marc Muniesa as part of a master plan to take over the world in the form of diminutive Spanish defenders. Mark Hughes, part time Agent of Shield, has found out about the plan, has already shipped off Muniesa (now in the first bloom of pregnancy and a little weepy) and is looking to loan Shawcross to the Saturnalian Sentinels (currently based on the moon Titan while their home ground is extended) with a buy out clause of 1 million zinconblats. That's what I was referring to. Now that's a far more sensible theory than some that are being leapt to on here.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 25, 2017 7:33:23 GMT
Simple interpretation: We're playing 3 CBs and need to have 4 decent CBs to provide cover Oatcake Interpretation: Shawcross is in fact an alien who has impregnated Marc Muniesa as part of a master plan to take over the world in the form of diminutive Spanish defenders. Mark Hughes, part time Agent of Shield, has found out about the plan, has already shipped off Muniesa (now in the first bloom of pregnancy and a little weepy) and is looking to loan Shawcross to the Saturnalian Sentinels (currently based on the moon Titan while their home ground is extended) with a buy out clause of 1 million zinconblats. Isn't the interpretation more to do with our captain not having signed, or allegedly even shown, a new contract going into the last year of his current deal?
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 25, 2017 7:35:50 GMT
I know you like permanent deals, rather than loans Bayern. But to call Zouma "A shite loanee from Chelsea" was a little silly. Another classic from your collection.π...........π I wonder if Bayern called Shawcross "a shite loanee from Man U" when TP first signed him on loan ten years ago? I'm not sure Lakey .... Go back about 89,000 posts to find out. π
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