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Post by songthrush01 on Feb 4, 2017 22:07:37 GMT
being fare to the lad,hes not a number 10 hes a grafter and a ball winner.shame the manager needs to go to specsavers.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Feb 4, 2017 23:24:07 GMT
Joe is not the weak link - he wins the ball, looks up for a winger in space & where is Arnie? Either scratching his arse on the half way line or tight marking his full back; we need to sort out the lack of running into space and lack of team effort of this primadonna. Saturday, 7th January 2017: Stoke City 0 Wolves 2; the day Mark Hughes, Marko Arnoutovic, Bojan, Shaqiri and Imbula showed how much they care about the fans and the club. Do you not remember the passion when allen scored against west brom earlier this season?
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 4, 2017 23:27:49 GMT
He looked knackered to me today. As the game wore on he seemed to fade quite drastically. I think his excellent summer and great start with us are now catching up with him.
Worryingly i think there were a couple of others who struggled as well.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Feb 4, 2017 23:30:02 GMT
Dare I say get Imbula back in the team?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 4, 2017 23:30:49 GMT
He can play in defensive midfield or do a job on the right flank of either a 4 man or 3 man midfield.
Earlier in the season he had a golden streak playing just behind the striker but now we are seeing that is not his position.
He is quality though, will be a top player for us long term. I just want to see him sitting in next to Glen for the rest of this season and giving someone like shaq or imbula free reign in front of them.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Feb 4, 2017 23:52:25 GMT
Yes yes yes yes yes. Clamoured for Imbula to play attacking midfield for months. Limited defensive responsibility, lets him do what he does best which is attack, sufficient cover behind him as well. On my way back today I was listening to radio stoke and for the first time I heard large calls for imbula. I was genuinely delighted.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 5, 2017 0:11:52 GMT
Yes yes yes yes yes. Clamoured for Imbula to play attacking midfield for months. Limited defensive responsibility, lets him do what he does best which is attack, sufficient cover behind him as well. On my way back today I was listening to radio stoke and for the first time I heard large calls for imbula. I was genuinely delighted. Wont disagree with that. The Wolves game didn't suit Imbula because we had no DM's. For me his best position is in a 3 with him advanced not a number 10. Today we had no shape and looked lobsided offering little going forward. Much of this was down to having no wideman. For me I'd go with something like. ...Whelan.......Allen... .........Imbula......... Shaq................Arni .........Berahino.......
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Feb 5, 2017 0:14:41 GMT
That looks very nice indeed. The fluidity of our play would be brilliant to watch. Boring my arse
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 5, 2017 0:25:54 GMT
Think he really upped his game in the second half! Allen should really start every game for us, but has looked a bit tired lately!
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Post by burge2u on Feb 5, 2017 0:34:17 GMT
Dare I say get Imbula back in the team? The game passes by Imbula, ..... unfortunately he isn't involved or influential enough.
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Feb 5, 2017 0:48:15 GMT
In a defensive sense. If we played him further forward and limited his defensive responsibility and put more players behind him he could really thrive
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 5, 2017 0:59:30 GMT
A team that genuinely harbours ambitions of coming seventh would be able to take the chronically out of form Joe out of the team for a while. We don't genuinely harbour ambitions of coming seventh though do we? We do, of course we do, we just don't have the right players to do it with, or aren't using the ones we do have properly.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Feb 5, 2017 1:11:27 GMT
Fantastic player, needs to play in his natural position now. The experiment is over. Not only that we need his energy further back.
Who then plays in the number 10 is anyones guess? I don't think any player is a 'natural' number 10 apart from Steven Ireland.
Crouch and Berahino up top for a run, yea ok.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 5, 2017 7:56:50 GMT
Fantastic player, needs to play in his natural position now. The experiment is over. Not only that we need his energy further back. Who then plays in the number 10 is anyones guess? I don't think any player is a 'natural' number 10 apart from Steven Ireland. Crouch and Berahino up top for a run, yea ok. He improved once Adam was subbed. He had more time on the ball and wasn't "chasing shadows "
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 5, 2017 9:37:04 GMT
Fantastic player, needs to play in his natural position now. The experiment is over. Not only that we need his energy further back. Who then plays in the number 10 is anyones guess? I don't think any player is a 'natural' number 10 apart from Steven Ireland. Crouch and Berahino up top for a run, yea ok. We have a natural number 10 currently playing number 10 in Mainz
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 17:13:26 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 5, 2017 21:48:07 GMT
Hopefully he picked up some tips on how to resemble a footballer. Missed a sitter of a header and it was his lousy pass that gave them the break away for their goal. Wonder if Swansea will still want to sign him in the summer should they stay up?
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Feb 5, 2017 21:53:11 GMT
Fantastic player, needs to play in his natural position now. The experiment is over. Not only that we need his energy further back. Who then plays in the number 10 is anyones guess? I don't think any player is a 'natural' number 10 apart from Steven Ireland. Crouch and Berahino up top for a run, yea ok. We have a natural number 10 currently playing number 10 in Mainz Is this the same number 10 who has been pretty Crap this season?
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Post by scfcwebby on Feb 5, 2017 22:59:02 GMT
We have a natural number 10 currently playing number 10 in Mainz Is this the same number 10 who has been pretty Crap this season? Yes but now we have the perfect player to play infront of him!
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Post by BuzzB on Feb 5, 2017 23:11:06 GMT
Soon as he dropped to one of the two, he and the team started to play better.Surprise Surprise This needs to be his position and id like to see Crouch and Berahino given a run up top. What on earth Adam, or Whelan based on todays performance, keep doing to justify a start is beyond me. Id rather play Allen, Affellay or Imbula there instead of them. Ponderous, static and dull ah ha we have a winner!
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 5, 2017 23:28:51 GMT
As the mirage of a run of good form where everything he touched went into the net disappears, we're left with the reality of the situation: we have paid lots of money for another midfielder who doesn't fit into our system, and have sacrificed our play maker in order to shoehorn Joe Allen into the Mama role.
He may not have the job of physically battering defenders and winning the ball in the air, but his entire game is now just running around a lot to stop the opposition building from the back and on the halfway line. Make no mistake about it, the Mama role has somehow been reincarnated.
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Post by RichJonesy on Feb 6, 2017 0:25:03 GMT
In a defensive sense. If we played him further forward and limited his defensive responsibility and put more players behind him he could really thrive So up front then? Nah time to cut our losses. I'd be tempted to give him next season, probably on the bench, but ultimately think it will come down to the fact we've been flogged a dead horse. Best we don't make a biggy out of it, we can repeatedly loan him out til his contract expires then watch him sign for a third tier Portuguese team before Barca come in for him. In the meantime we will sign Gylfi from Swansea, Bojan will return in tip top shape and we'll get a decent DM (Lucas initially.) we'll also 'find' a true box to boxer in the real Vieira shape, whose name we shall sing from the top (or bottom) of our lungs (this is Joe Allen). Pieters ('Peters'-see other therad) will also get most ever assists in a season and Berahino will be top scorer. Also Jack will be fit.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 6, 2017 0:36:05 GMT
Allo is most effective as a holding midfielder with the game all sort of in front of him. It plays to his strength because he can step forward and play short but incisive passes. Also, if he joins the attack and occupies opposition defenders, he has the engine to get back in position quickly with the minimum disruption to the balance of the team.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 6, 2017 0:37:08 GMT
Been shite the last few weeks, but he's not 'wank' that's just silly. Having him at no 10 was working like a dream earlier in the season, now it's not. Allen's played his entire career as a central midfielder, so that's where we need to play him now. Let's not turn this into 'oh Bojan would have been miles better' though because, in all honesty, he' s been just as shit as Allen has recently but for a lot longer. Our problem remains one of squad imbalance, because we've really got 4 midfielders for one spot- Allen, Afellay, Adam, Imbula. Whichever one of them plays at No 10 is out of position to a certain degee (Afellay's probably the most natural there.)
Exactamundo ...
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Feb 6, 2017 0:39:20 GMT
In a defensive sense. If we played him further forward and limited his defensive responsibility and put more players behind him he could really thrive So up front then? Nah time to cut our losses. I'd be tempted to give him next season, probably on the bench, but ultimately think it will come down to the fact we've been flogged a dead horse. Best we don't make a biggy out of it, we can repeatedly loan him out til his contract expires then watch him sign for a third tier Portuguese team before Barca come in for him. In the meantime we will sign Gylfi from Swansea, Bojan will return in tip top shape and we'll get a decent DM (Lucas initially.) we'll also 'find' a true box to boxer in the real Vieira shape, whose name we shall sing from the top (or bottom) of our lungs (this is Joe Allen). Pieters ('Peters'-see other therad) will also get most ever assists in a season and Berahino will be top scorer. Also Jack will be fit. I would play imbula until the end of the season with minimal defensive responsibility to and let him try to prove himself because he could be the "vieira" you talked about. Play him in a 4-3-3 as the more advanced centre midfielder and tell the team to give him the ball so he can drive our counter attacks with surging runs of 40 yards. Two midfielders behind him to cover him when he breaks forward and not leave us exposed at the back
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 6, 2017 0:39:31 GMT
Been shite the last few weeks, but he's not 'wank' that's just silly. Having him at no 10 was working like a dream earlier in the season, now it's not. Allen's played his entire career as a central midfielder, so that's where we need to play him now. Let's not turn this into 'oh Bojan would have been miles better' though because, in all honesty, he' s been just as shit as Allen has recently but for a lot longer. Our problem remains one of squad imbalance, because we've really got 4 midfielders for one spot- Allen, Afellay, Adam, Imbula. Whichever one of them plays at No 10 is out of position to a certain degee (Afellay's probably the most natural there.) Woeful management some would say....
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Post by RichJonesy on Feb 6, 2017 0:43:30 GMT
So up front then? Nah time to cut our losses. I'd be tempted to give him next season, probably on the bench, but ultimately think it will come down to the fact we've been flogged a dead horse. Best we don't make a biggy out of it, we can repeatedly loan him out til his contract expires then watch him sign for a third tier Portuguese team before Barca come in for him. In the meantime we will sign Gylfi from Swansea, Bojan will return in tip top shape and we'll get a decent DM (Lucas initially.) we'll also 'find' a true box to boxer in the real Vieira shape, whose name we shall sing from the top (or bottom) of our lungs (this is Joe Allen). Pieters ('Peters'-see other therad) will also get most ever assists in a season and Berahino will be top scorer. Also Jack will be fit. I would play imbula until the end of the season with minimal defensive responsibility to and let him try to prove himself because he could be the "vieira" you talked about. Play him in a 4-3-3 as the more advanced centre midfielder and tell the team to give him the ball so he can drive our counter attacks with surging runs of 40 yards. Two midfielders behind him to cover him when he breaks forward and not leave us exposed at the back So who are the other 2 in the 3? I would presume Whelan and Adam, and Possibly Geoff when he's fit? Where does that leave Allen....he's a better player all round than Imbula. He has scored goals, he can track back, he can tackle, he doesn't wear gloves. No way, why drop someone that can do it for someone that might, one day, be able to?
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Post by sanmarinostokie on Feb 6, 2017 0:52:15 GMT
I would play imbula until the end of the season with minimal defensive responsibility to and let him try to prove himself because he could be the "vieira" you talked about. Play him in a 4-3-3 as the more advanced centre midfielder and tell the team to give him the ball so he can drive our counter attacks with surging runs of 40 yards. Two midfielders behind him to cover him when he breaks forward and not leave us exposed at the back So who are the other 2 in the 3? I would presume Whelan and Adam, and Possibly Geoff when he's fit? Where does that leave Allen....he's a better player all round than Imbula. He has scored goals, he can track back, he can tackle, he doesn't wear gloves. No way, why drop someone that can do it for someone that might, one day, be able to? For me it should be whelan or cameron, for fucks sake not adam, and allen. Give him a couple of weeks rest though and try and stop him pressing. It won't work if he does it on his own. He just gets caught out of position.
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Post by snig on Feb 6, 2017 1:26:58 GMT
Allen needs a rest after non stop playing Liverpool euros then us .. catching up on him
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Post by larstoke on Feb 6, 2017 5:01:18 GMT
He has been giving the ball away too often lately. Not creating a lot of chances either. Hope Marky Mark plays Allen in a more defensive role and puts afellay, imbula or shaq in the 10 role.
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