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Joe Allen
Feb 4, 2017 18:21:07 GMT
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Post by mrred on Feb 4, 2017 18:21:07 GMT
I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt recently but today was probably his poorest performance so far.
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Joe Allen
Feb 4, 2017 18:36:29 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 4, 2017 18:36:29 GMT
He was poor today. Giving the ball away every time he's taking it in with his back to goal. It isnt his position.
Afellay and Adam were gash as well
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Post by Jimm on Feb 4, 2017 18:37:26 GMT
He needs dropping for a few games & we need a new midfield in the summer, one that doesn't include Allen.
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 4, 2017 18:48:22 GMT
Needs dropping IMO, and may I therefore ask who Hughes is planning to play in the number 10 role going forward? My guess is Affelay, but would prefer Shaq to be handed an opportunity in that role, although that leaves the question of who will play on the right? Affelay is wasted in the position IMO, but what other options do we have? Diouf can do a job there, but we need better. N'Goy is no right winger, and neither is Berahino. There are a couple of positions that need looking at in the summer, and the right wing is one of them. the problem with playing Shaq in the No10, is that he drifts quite a lot into the centre, and this leaves huge holes on the right. This is made worse because we don't have a solid right back and teams exploit it when he does play on the right, the team is more balanced, and the opposition defence can't deal with both Arnie and Shaq (and Bojan when he was in the middle), and it stretches them, thus giving us the competitive edge and more opportunities we're less predictable as well when we have this balance. Today, with no real right winger, and no creativity in the hole, everything went through Arnie who can only do so much on his own, and then he got shut down by 2/3 defenders because they know there is no one else on the other side of the pitch to cause them problems. We had a system 12months ago, Hughes meddled with wrong signings for wrong positions needed and its been a mess ever since
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Joe Allen
Feb 4, 2017 18:52:23 GMT
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Post by StatesideStokie on Feb 4, 2017 18:52:23 GMT
My guess is Affelay, but would prefer Shaq to be handed an opportunity in that role, although that leaves the question of who will play on the right? Affelay is wasted in the position IMO, but what other options do we have? Diouf can do a job there, but we need better. N'Goy is no right winger, and neither is Berahino. There are a couple of positions that need looking at in the summer, and the right wing is one of them. the problem with playing Shaq in the No10, is that he drifts quite a lot into the centre, and this leaves huge holes on the right. This is made worse because we don't have a solid right back and teams exploit it If we play Shaq in the #10 role, it's his job to be in the center, not covering on the right.
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 4, 2017 18:56:13 GMT
the problem with playing Shaq in the No10, is that he drifts quite a lot into the centre, and this leaves huge holes on the right. This is made worse because we don't have a solid right back and teams exploit it If we play Shaq in the #10 role, it's his job to be in the center, not covering on the right. sorry (not typing correctly what's going through my mind), i meant he drifts more from centre. he did at watford away, and him and Arnie were almost on top of each other all the time keeping him on the right keeps the balance (and bothers opposition left backs)
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 4, 2017 19:00:06 GMT
My guess is Affelay, but would prefer Shaq to be handed an opportunity in that role, although that leaves the question of who will play on the right? Affelay is wasted in the position IMO, but what other options do we have? Diouf can do a job there, but we need better. N'Goy is no right winger, and neither is Berahino. There are a couple of positions that need looking at in the summer, and the right wing is one of them. the problem with playing Shaq in the No10, is that he drifts quite a lot into the centre, and this leaves huge holes on the right. This is made worse because we don't have a solid right back and teams exploit it when he does play on the right, the team is more balanced, and the opposition defence can't deal with both Arnie and Shaq (and Bojan when he was in the middle), and it stretches them, thus giving us the competitive edge and more opportunities we're less predictable as well when we have this balance. Today, with no real right winger, and no creativity in the hole, everything went through Arnie who can only do so much on his own, and then he got shut down by 2/3 defenders because they know there is no one else on the other side of the pitch to cause them problems. We had a system 12months ago, Hughes meddled with wrong signings for wrong positions needed and its been a mess ever since Great analysis
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Post by StatesideStokie on Feb 4, 2017 19:00:28 GMT
If we play Shaq in the #10 role, it's his job to be in the center, not covering on the right. sorry (not typing correctly what's going through my mind), i meant he drifts more from centre. he did at watford away, and him and Arnie were almost on top of each other all the time keeping him on the right keeps the balance (and bothers opposition left backs) For me, he's at his best when he's central. He's able to pick the lock and create for the likes of Arnie, and hopefully Berahino. The problem is, to your point - who replaces him on the right? Not sure we have the personnel currently who would be capable of doing a job there, which makes it hard to give Shaqiri the opportunity in the #10 role.
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 4, 2017 19:02:10 GMT
sorry (not typing correctly what's going through my mind), i meant he drifts more from centre. he did at watford away, and him and Arnie were almost on top of each other all the time keeping him on the right keeps the balance (and bothers opposition left backs) For me, he's at his best when he's central. He's able to pick the lock and create for the likes of Arnie, and hopefully Berahino. The problem is, to your point - who replaces him on the right? Not sure we have the personnel currently who would be capable of doing a job there, which makes it hard to give Shaqiri the opportunity in the #10 role. To be fair Rob Sobhi's not been given his proper chance in the team yet. This friggin ACON, shit timing
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2017 19:05:28 GMT
Lets be honest about it...apart from running around, he does fuck all.
He's wank. Absolutely wank.
Another lot of millions spunked up the wall. I knew he was shit. He's worse than I thought he was.
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Post by toppercorner on Feb 4, 2017 19:06:32 GMT
sorry (not typing correctly what's going through my mind), i meant he drifts more from centre. he did at watford away, and him and Arnie were almost on top of each other all the time keeping him on the right keeps the balance (and bothers opposition left backs) For me, he's at his best when he's central. He's able to pick the lock and create for the likes of Arnie, and hopefully Berahino. The problem is, to your point - who replaces him on the right? Not sure we have the personnel currently who would be capable of doing a job there, which makes it hard to give Shaqiri the opportunity in the #10 role. i think he can of course play in the centre, but in my opinion, he's more of a pest on the right. He' goes into the corner, flaps his leg around and still gets out of tight spots. Not many people can do what he does there. when Sobhi is back, perhaps if we really, really wanted Shaq in the middle, can Arnie play on the right, and Sobhi on the left? the squad is so unbalanced because of recent confusing transfer windows. Too many central midfielders on the books for me
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 4, 2017 19:08:14 GMT
Lets be honest about it...apart from running around, he does fuck all. He's wank. Absolutely wank. Another lot of millions spunked up the wall. I knew he was shit. He's worse than I thought he was. He's won us some vital points Dave, give him that at least. I DO get your underlying point tho..
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 4, 2017 19:09:45 GMT
Lets be honest about it...apart from running around, he does fuck all. He's wank. Absolutely wank. Another lot of millions spunked up the wall. I knew he was shit. He's worse than I thought he was. Dave I don't think he is wank but for sure he shouldn't be the fulcrum around which the team is built . The truth is our transfer business has been appalling over the last three or four windows and that's the root of our decline sadly we need three new midfielders in the summer despite the fact weve oads of em assuming we are in the premier league which is certainly not a given right now .
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Post by chuckrocky on Feb 4, 2017 19:16:30 GMT
He's a decent enough player at what he's built his career on, playing centre midfield, winning the ball back and using it intelligently.
For some reason Hughes had decided to use him further forward as our main creative outlet and build our team around him, and it's just not working.
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Post by Kjones9 on Feb 4, 2017 19:24:18 GMT
Yeah Joe Allen in the euros team of the tournament is 'fucking wank'?
More like our support is.
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Joe Allen
Feb 4, 2017 19:31:15 GMT
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Post by StatesideStokie on Feb 4, 2017 19:31:15 GMT
For me, he's at his best when he's central. He's able to pick the lock and create for the likes of Arnie, and hopefully Berahino. The problem is, to your point - who replaces him on the right? Not sure we have the personnel currently who would be capable of doing a job there, which makes it hard to give Shaqiri the opportunity in the #10 role. To be fair Rob Sobhi's not been given his proper chance in the team yet. This friggin ACON, shit timing Agreed Dunc. Would have liked to see him get an opportunity when Arnie was out. Having said that, he's not a right winger. Maybe him on left, Arnie right, Shaq in #10 role?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 4, 2017 19:33:41 GMT
Allen played OK when the hapless Adam went off. Allen is decent when sitting and disciplined. Unfortunately he has been neither this season, mainly down to the manager.
HE'S NOT A NUMBER 10 FFS.
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Post by djduncanjames on Feb 4, 2017 19:37:59 GMT
I always thought he was a Right Winger, checking transferMrkt I see you are right. Hard to believe that Pennant is the last actual RW we've had under Hughes. That seems like ancient history now..
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Post by happypotter on Feb 4, 2017 19:47:00 GMT
If he was any good he would still be at Liverpool.
He's had 4 or 5 good games this season, not a patch on Bojan on his day. He's just a run around and offers very little at the minute.
Needs resting/dropping and get Shaq in the 10 role, with Sobhi or Diouf on the wing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 4, 2017 19:52:29 GMT
A team that genuinely harbours ambitions of coming seventh would be able to take the chronically out of form Joe out of the team for a while. We don't genuinely harbour ambitions of coming seventh though do we?
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Post by mattythestokie on Feb 4, 2017 20:00:34 GMT
Get him back to the box to box role and give someone else that attacking midfield role or give it Berahino to play with Crouch.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 4, 2017 20:20:37 GMT
I'm missing Bojan. Even when he was on the bench I lived in hope he would get on. I now watch Allen huffing and puffing in the number 10 role and wonder how it came to this.
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Joe Allen
Feb 4, 2017 20:23:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 20:23:41 GMT
Woeful again today. Same as Wednesday won it lost it won it lost it. Half the problem is when he wins it high up the pitch we've got nobody hear him to help him. He needs be played centre mid not number 10. The big Problem now is we haven't got a decent number 10 to play there.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 4, 2017 20:28:20 GMT
I'm missing Bojan. Even when he was on the bench I lived in hope he would get on. I now watch Allen huffing and puffing in the number 10 role and wonder how it came to this. Like going from Club to Readers' Wives, just a different razzle. A bit sore at the moment but it'll be ok.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 4, 2017 20:48:41 GMT
Been shite the last few weeks, but he's not 'wank' that's just silly.
Having him at no 10 was working like a dream earlier in the season, now it's not. Allen's played his entire career as a central midfielder, so that's where we need to play him now.
Let's not turn this into 'oh Bojan would have been miles better' though because, in all honesty, he' s been just as shit as Allen has recently but for a lot longer. Our problem remains one of squad imbalance, because we've really got 4 midfielders for one spot- Allen, Afellay, Adam, Imbula. Whichever one of them plays at No 10 is out of position to a certain degee (Afellay's probably the most natural there.)
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Post by ashleyscfc on Feb 4, 2017 20:53:42 GMT
Soon as he dropped to one of the two, he and the team started to play better.
Surprise Surprise
This needs to be his position and id like to see Crouch and Berahino given a run up top.
What on earth Adam, or Whelan based on todays performance, keep doing to justify a start is beyond me.
Id rather play Allen, Affellay or Imbula there instead of them.
Ponderous, static and dull
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Feb 4, 2017 21:04:12 GMT
Been shite the last few weeks, but he's not 'wank' that's just silly. Having him at no 10 was working like a dream earlier in the season, now it's not. Allen's played his entire career as a central midfielder, so that's where we need to play him now. Let's not turn this into 'oh Bojan would have been miles better' though because, in all honesty, he' s been just as shit as Allen has recently but for a lot longer. Our problem remains one of squad imbalance, because we've really got 4 midfielders for one spot- Allen, Afellay, Adam, Imbula. Whichever one of them plays at No 10 is out of position to a certain degee (Afellay's probably the most natural there.) I'm a big fan of the deeper analysis but today our problems were Pieters can't finish what he starts and Arnie's a wank finisher. It's a persistent problem but I love and rate them both. So what can you do? And on another day Bardsley would have ripped the back of the net out with that thunderbolt. It's marginal, WBA are no mugs, feeling aggrieved at not quite pulling it over the line against 6th,7,8 or whatever placed teams over the last few games ain't disasterous imo. Nowt much needs shaking up. Just keep keeping on. That second half with Diouf, Berahino, N'Goy didn't quite come off, but there's nowt wrong with that approach in my book.
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Joe Allen
Feb 4, 2017 21:06:00 GMT
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Post by Uncle cheese on Feb 4, 2017 21:06:00 GMT
Lets be honest about it...apart from running around, he does fuck all. He's wank. Absolutely wank. Another lot of millions spunked up the wall. I knew he was shit. He's worse than I thought he was.
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Joe Allen
Feb 4, 2017 21:07:24 GMT
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Post by Uncle cheese on Feb 4, 2017 21:07:24 GMT
Lets be honest about it...apart from running around, he does fuck all. He's wank. Absolutely wank. Another lot of millions spunked up the wall. I knew he was shit. He's worse than I thought he was. Quality post
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 4, 2017 21:12:13 GMT
Lets be honest about it...apart from running around, he does fuck all. He's wank. Absolutely wank. Another lot of millions spunked up the wall. I knew he was shit. He's worse than I thought he was. Quality post Thanks. More quality in the post than his performance.
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