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Post by Linx on Jan 13, 2017 20:14:39 GMT
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Post by stockportstokie on Jan 13, 2017 20:40:34 GMT
UKIP belong to the same economic philosophy of Thatcher, New Labour & Gideon. Labour just need to put forward a candidate that is serious about the area & it's issues and they'll storm it. People aren't as fuck as to buy into a party that was created by disgruntled conservatives now we're leaving the EU.
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Post by Waggy on Jan 13, 2017 20:46:01 GMT
UKIP belong to the same economic philosophy of Thatcher, New Labour & Gideon. Labour just need to put forward a candidate that is serious about the area & it's issues and they'll storm it. People aren't as fuck as to buy into a party that was created by disgruntled conservatives now we're leaving the EU. If corbyn wasnt in charge labour would walk it. Its down to one man why it could be close. |
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Post by boothenboy75 on Jan 13, 2017 20:49:08 GMT
Perhaps if Labour hadn't taken Stoke for granted for the past, well take your pick, number of years, Labour stalwarts wouldn't be so worried about UKIP winning the by election?
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 13, 2017 20:50:38 GMT
UKIP belong to the same economic philosophy of Thatcher, New Labour & Gideon. Labour just need to put forward a candidate that is serious about the area & it's issues and they'll storm it. People aren't as fuck as to buy into a party that was created by disgruntled conservatives now we're leaving the EU. If corbyn wasnt in charge labour would walk it. Its down to one man why it could be close. But then, Corbyn is talking total sense... while Stoke Central feels like Paul Nutjob's seat to lose...  |
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Post by Waggy on Jan 13, 2017 20:55:55 GMT
If corbyn wasnt in charge labour would walk it. Its down to one man why it could be close. But then, Corbyn is talking total sense... while Stoke Central feels like Paul Nutjob's seat to lose... Corbyn is taking labour down and will split the party. Tories will be in for a long time. In my opinion. I have always voted labour but having doubts now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 21:06:03 GMT
Don't fret, labour will win it After all, just look what they've done with the place all these years  |
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Post by lordb on Jan 13, 2017 21:53:41 GMT
Big test for UKIP.
A seat they have to take or at least go very close to taking.
They want Labour voters to go to them.
Big test for Labour,they have to retain the seat.
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Post by pulismaskreplica on Jan 13, 2017 22:06:43 GMT
Labour has strong support locally for Corbyn and the values that he stands for. If Labour put up a Corbynista then they will take the seat comfortably.
The only way UKIP will get it is if the PLP put up another 'Tristram' type career politician
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 13, 2017 22:15:21 GMT
oh god the media all over the city
If labour puts a leftish candidate, not a corbynista per say they'd win it.
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 13, 2017 22:32:13 GMT
No sweat....anything with a splash of red and yellow will be voted in.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 13, 2017 22:39:42 GMT
Don't fret, labour will win it After all, just look what they've done with the place all these years Indeed what a fantastic endorsement S-o-T is for the Labour party, years of ermmmmm investment in such salubrious areas such as Bentilee have put the city on the map, Labour will win hands down in Stoke they always do, after all Hunt was voted in despite knowing/caring fuck all about the city. Expect another Labour candidate to be parachuted in to take the easiest Labour seat in the country. |
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Post by stockportstokie on Jan 13, 2017 23:37:48 GMT
oh god the media all over the city If labour puts a leftish candidate, not a corbynista per say they'd win it. Please define a 'leftish' from a corbynista. Before Corbyn Labour (or New Labour as we should define) en masse voted for tuition fees, illegal wars & more austerity. Those against Corbyn weren't left. They were the dying embers of Blairism which itself was born out of the neo-liberal philosophy that Margaret Thatcher implemented. People quite rightly came to treat New Labour with disdain. Contrary to that Waggy messer says it was New Labour policies and actions that lost votes every single election since '97. Stoke Central tells you all need to know to form a logical conclusion. In 1997 Labour won 26,662 votes, achieving 66.2% of the vote. Just compare those numbers with the 2015 election, it's grim reading. Labour, 12,220 total votes tallied and 39.3% of the vote. That was a nationwide story. Those pitiful numbers had nothing to do with Corbyn but it was the reason he was elected. He was elected on a mandate of policies that fly in the face of what New Labour had came to be. They did however have the power of Murdoch & the other established media before they decided the young upstart David Cameron was a better bet than the fumbling oaf Gordon Brown. Those behind the coup are the very people that caused the party to be voted out in the first place. The reason they attempted it in such desperate fashion is because they know what Jeremy Corbyn represents, how could they not, he voted against the New Labour party whip 428 times. New Labour, like the Tories, operate to serve the interests of the establishment. As Doherty sings about they're one & the same. That's why we had this en masse overnight attack to topple him and why every story you read or watch will have been made to run a negative angle. They stand to lose a lot should Corbyn lead Labour to election victory. Left & right in a developed country should only refer to economic & social policy. Corbyn stands for a redistribution of the GDP. That doesn't mean an attack on the middle classes or rationed bread. It means obvious things like having companies pay taxes, not allowing the richest to manipulate the tax system with offshore accounts, wage rises, employment protection and those things called houses. Pretty basic stuff. New Labour, Tories & UKIP stand for the opposite. Reduced state and more power for hedgefunds to buy up corporations operating within the UK and take the profits outside of the country. If anyone is thinking about voting UKIP you should take the time to find out their origins. I applaud them for being the spark that got us out of the European Union. It was a damning failure of the left that they were absent from the charge to leave. Probably down to having no outlet to get their message out I suppose. The real values of New Labour were reduced to a few backbenchers until Corbyn came to the fore by which point the referendum was near sealed. So UKIP get rightful credit for enabling us to escape the EU nightmare but it shouldn't be forgotten who and what they are. They're the invention of disgruntled conservatives. They have no concern for the 'working man' demographic that they will target. The political system is such that only two parties will ever win an election thus ruling UKIP out. They're being backed for the specific purpose to wipe out Labour northern areas on the back of a false narrative created by the mainstream media. People would be extremely foolish to fall for their shit. If you want to earn more money and have public services that are funded there is only one party to vote for, everything else represents the opposite. |
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 14, 2017 1:31:02 GMT
UKIP belong to the same economic philosophy of Thatcher, New Labour & Gideon. Labour just need to put forward a candidate that is serious about the area & it's issues and they'll storm it. People aren't as fuck as to buy into a party that was created by disgruntled conservatives now we're leaving the EU. By and large we are a tolerant nation and there is room for parties and people of all political persuasions. And long may that continue. If you look at the history of our political parties they were all born out of some sort of crisis or discontentment, so it's unfair to single out UKIP in this regard. And every one of them has gone through major internal crises since they were formed. No-one can deny that the winds of political change are blowing across the western world. Many people are sick of career politicians enriching themselves and their causes at the expense of the people they are supposed to represent. Therefore the emergence and success of UKIP, the National Front in France, the PVV in Holland, and the AfD in Germany can come as no surprise. |
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Post by stockportstokie on Jan 14, 2017 2:21:26 GMT
UKIP belong to the same economic philosophy of Thatcher, New Labour & Gideon. Labour just need to put forward a candidate that is serious about the area & it's issues and they'll storm it. People aren't as fuck as to buy into a party that was created by disgruntled conservatives now we're leaving the EU. By and large we are a tolerant nation and there is room for parties and people of all political persuasions. And long may that continue. If you look at the history of our political parties they were all born out of some sort of crisis or discontentment, so it's unfair to single out UKIP in this regard. And every one of them has gone through major internal crises since they were formed. No-one can deny that the winds of political change are blowing across the western world. Many people are sick of career politicians enriching themselves and their causes at the expense of the people they are supposed to represent. Therefore the emergence and success of UKIP, the National Front in France, the PVV in Holland, and the AfD in Germany can come as no surprise. Indeed. Strange that you would not cite the emergence of left populist parties that have sprung up too. It does appear you came to the defence of UKIP on a very loose detail which didn't make reference to why I suggested a working man shouldn't vote for them. I understand people are rebelling against the system that has told them they're wrong for decades and the want to back an underdog is clear, stick it up the career politicians you speak of. You should be very careful as to who you're expressing that sentiment for. UKIP won't serve you. Ukip is a party made up of Earls, city boys and figures that set up offshore companies that specialise in pillaging poverty ridden African countries in the quest for diamonds en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Legge,_10th_Earl_of_Dartmouth en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arron_Banks#Early_life_and_career www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=793882&privcapId=875674If these are the guys you want setting the agenda for your future then all power to you. Do understand that AI is coming and it's going to rule what is working class (whether factory or office) redundant to a useless class status. By as early as 2021 there is a projection that 6% of jobs in the US will be replaced by AI www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/13/artificial-intelligence-robots-threat-jobs-forrester-report and 30% by 2025 uk.businessinsider.com/experts-predict-that-one-third-of-jobs-will-be-replaced-by-robots-2015-5 How arguable those figures are is open to debate but there is no doubt it will happen. There is going to require a massive decisions to be made as to what will happen for this useless class. I dread to think what conditions they'd endure under the absolute capitalists that control the likes of UKIP and the Conservatives personally. Stoke on Trent especially. All those engineering, warehousing and call centre gigs that dominate the cities jobs market, there would be next to nothing left to earn a living from. You've then got to take into account their desire to privatize medical care www.nhsforsale.info/database/impact-database/conflict-of-interest/GOVERNMENT-POLITICIANS.html it all starts to sound a little bit shit to me. Understand you're a peasant and vote accordingly would be my advice. |
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 14, 2017 6:28:41 GMT
The problem with you socialists is that throughout history you have always seen yourselves as victims. You use that to justify attacking people of other political persuasions, whereas in fact you have no basis for doing so. You have been brainwashed by the left wing media and the socialist machine. Your way is the only way and anyone who dares to disagree is immediately ostracised. There is no debate with you people. It is impossible because you can't even see the alternatives. The left has always been the most dangerous and intolerant throughout history. The Chinese, Russian, and 1918 German revolutions spring to mind.
As for artificial intelligence, you can do nothing to prevent it. The march of technology is unstoppable. How about being smart for once and invest your money in tech companies? That's your future - not some misplaced hope in a hapless and tragic Labour leader with ideas straight from 1945.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 14, 2017 7:34:36 GMT
The problem with you socialists is that throughout history you have always seen yourselves as victims. You use that to justify attacking people of other political persuasions, whereas in fact you have no basis for doing so. You have been brainwashed by the left wing media and the socialist machine. Your way is the only way and anyone who dares to disagree is immediately ostracised. There is no debate with you people. It is impossible because you can't even see the alternatives. The left has always been the most dangerous and intolerant throughout history. The Chinese, Russian, and 1918 German revolutions spring to mind. As for artificial intelligence, you can do nothing to prevent it. The march of technology is unstoppable. How about being smart for once and invest your money in tech companies? That's your future - not some misplaced hope in a hapless and tragic Labour leader with ideas straight from 1945. So invest in tech companies & all will be well. Have you not seen RoboCop.  |
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 14, 2017 7:52:32 GMT
Invest in tech, get educated, retrain, whatever you need to do. You have to move with the times. Take control of your life before the robots do.
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 14, 2017 7:57:04 GMT
So it's true, The Robots are coming!!!
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 14, 2017 9:13:58 GMT
A report on the Beeb last night mentioned Mohammed Pervez (Ex-Stoke Council Leader) could be in the running.
Anyone in local Government think that's a good idea?
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Post by auntiegeorge on Jan 14, 2017 9:28:58 GMT
A report on the Beeb last night mentioned Mohammed Pervez (Ex-Stoke Council Leader) could be in the running. Anyone in local Government think that's a good idea? If his record as council leader is anything to go by.....No, it's not a good idea! Yet another self-serving egotistical career politician who's only ambition is to exponentially increase the size of his bank account. NO! |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Jan 14, 2017 9:38:10 GMT
A report on the Beeb last night mentioned Mohammed Pervez (Ex-Stoke Council Leader) could be in the running. Anyone in local Government think that's a good idea? If his record as council leader is anything to go by.....No, it's not a good idea! Yet another self-serving egotistical career politician who's only ambition is to exponentially increase the size of his bank account. NO! I didn't notice any great advancement to the City while he was council leader to be honest. I also didn't realise he's a Senior scientist at Astrazeneca. I think Nuttall should run. A huge swing to UKIP in the last GE and a huge Leave vote. The classic traditional Labour heartland that he says he's targeting. Money where your mouth is time. |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 14, 2017 11:36:09 GMT
oh god the media all over the city If labour puts a leftish candidate, not a corbynista per say they'd win it. Please define a 'leftish' from a corbynista. Before Corbyn Labour (or New Labour as we should define) en masse voted for tuition fees, illegal wars & more austerity. Those against Corbyn weren't left. They were the dying embers of Blairism which itself was born out of the neo-liberal philosophy that Margaret Thatcher implemented. People quite rightly came to treat New Labour with disdain. Contrary to that Waggy messer says it was New Labour policies and actions that lost votes every single election since '97. Stoke Central tells you all need to know to form a logical conclusion. In 1997 Labour won 26,662 votes, achieving 66.2% of the vote. Just compare those numbers with the 2015 election, it's grim reading. Labour, 12,220 total votes tallied and 39.3% of the vote. That was a nationwide story. Those pitiful numbers had nothing to do with Corbyn but it was the reason he was elected. He was elected on a mandate of policies that fly in the face of what New Labour had came to be. They did however have the power of Murdoch & the other established media before they decided the young upstart David Cameron was a better bet than the fumbling oaf Gordon Brown. Those behind the coup are the very people that caused the party to be voted out in the first place. The reason they attempted it in such desperate fashion is because they know what Jeremy Corbyn represents, how could they not, he voted against the New Labour party whip 428 times. New Labour, like the Tories, operate to serve the interests of the establishment. As Doherty sings about they're one & the same. That's why we had this en masse overnight attack to topple him and why every story you read or watch will have been made to run a negative angle. They stand to lose a lot should Corbyn lead Labour to election victory. Left & right in a developed country should only refer to economic & social policy. Corbyn stands for a redistribution of the GDP. That doesn't mean an attack on the middle classes or rationed bread. It means obvious things like having companies pay taxes, not allowing the richest to manipulate the tax system with offshore accounts, wage rises, employment protection and those things called houses. Pretty basic stuff. New Labour, Tories & UKIP stand for the opposite. Reduced state and more power for hedgefunds to buy up corporations operating within the UK and take the profits outside of the country. If anyone is thinking about voting UKIP you should take the time to find out their origins. I applaud them for being the spark that got us out of the European Union. It was a damning failure of the left that they were absent from the charge to leave. Probably down to having no outlet to get their message out I suppose. The real values of New Labour were reduced to a few backbenchers until Corbyn came to the fore by which point the referendum was near sealed. So UKIP get rightful credit for enabling us to escape the EU nightmare but it shouldn't be forgotten who and what they are. They're the invention of disgruntled conservatives. They have no concern for the 'working man' demographic that they will target. The political system is such that only two parties will ever win an election thus ruling UKIP out. They're being backed for the specific purpose to wipe out Labour northern areas on the back of a false narrative created by the mainstream media. People would be extremely foolish to fall for their shit. If you want to earn more money and have public services that are funded there is only one party to vote for, everything else represents the opposite. This leftish candidate could be a corbyn suppprter but has to be a local one. I mean he shouldn't parachute one of his allies in. |
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jan 14, 2017 12:12:04 GMT
The problem with you socialists is that throughout history you have always seen yourselves as victims. You use that to justify attacking people of other political persuasions, whereas in fact you have no basis for doing so. You have been brainwashed by the left wing media and the socialist machine. Your way is the only way and anyone who dares to disagree is immediately ostracised. There is no debate with you people. It is impossible because you can't even see the alternatives. The left has always been the most dangerous and intolerant throughout history. The Chinese, Russian, and 1918 German revolutions spring to mind. As for artificial intelligence, you can do nothing to prevent it. The march of technology is unstoppable. How about being smart for once and invest your money in tech companies? That's your future - not some misplaced hope in a hapless and tragic Labour leader with ideas straight from 1945. The problem with you conservatives is that throughout history you have always seen yourselves as the master race. You use that to justify attacking vulnerable people of other political persuasions, whereas in fact you have no basis for doing so. You have been brainwashed by the Tory tabloid press and the Tory machine. You way is the only way and anyone who dares to disagree is immediately denied democratic rights. There is no debate with you people. It is impossible because you can't even seen the alternatives. The right has been the most dangerous and intolerant throughout history. Tory appeasement of Nazi Germany in the 1930s spring to mind. As for artificial intelligence, just look at the Tory Eurosceptics. There is everything you can do to stop it turn out and vote against them. Your future is better than that useless cnut in Downing Street with ideas straight from Maggie Thatcher. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 14, 2017 12:13:41 GMT
oh god the media all over the city If labour puts a leftish candidate, not a corbynista per say they'd win it. Right you lot, don't go wandering around in that jumper with holes in. No trackie bottoms & for Gods sake, don't say anything weird. You're going to be exposed to the nation & you're all ambassadors. "Lights, Cameras, Action!" |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 14, 2017 12:54:51 GMT
UKIP belong to the same economic philosophy of Thatcher, New Labour & Gideon. Labour just need to put forward a candidate that is serious about the area & it's issues and they'll storm it. People aren't as fuck as to buy into a party that was created by disgruntled conservatives now we're leaving the EU. I think they probably are, mate. Not that your average Ukipper these days gives much of shit about their policies which even Farage described as a 'car crash', it's all about giving the establishment a kicking whoever and whatever that might be. Some guff about the common hard-working man being left behind and immigrants taking all proper Stokies jobs and they'll fly into the seat. |
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Post by Timmypotter on Jan 14, 2017 14:20:37 GMT
oh god the media all over the city If labour puts a leftish candidate, not a corbynista per say they'd win it. Please define a 'leftish' from a corbynista. Before Corbyn Labour (or New Labour as we should define) en masse voted for tuition fees, illegal wars & more austerity. Those against Corbyn weren't left. They were the dying embers of Blairism which itself was born out of the neo-liberal philosophy that Margaret Thatcher implemented. People quite rightly came to treat New Labour with disdain. Contrary to that Waggy messer says it was New Labour policies and actions that lost votes every single election since '97. Stoke Central tells you all need to know to form a logical conclusion. In 1997 Labour won 26,662 votes, achieving 66.2% of the vote. Just compare those numbers with the 2015 election, it's grim reading. Labour, 12,220 total votes tallied and 39.3% of the vote. That was a nationwide story. Those pitiful numbers had nothing to do with Corbyn but it was the reason he was elected. He was elected on a mandate of policies that fly in the face of what New Labour had came to be. They did however have the power of Murdoch & the other established media before they decided the young upstart David Cameron was a better bet than the fumbling oaf Gordon Brown. Those behind the coup are the very people that caused the party to be voted out in the first place. The reason they attempted it in such desperate fashion is because they know what Jeremy Corbyn represents, how could they not, he voted against the New Labour party whip 428 times. New Labour, like the Tories, operate to serve the interests of the establishment. As Doherty sings about they're one & the same. That's why we had this en masse overnight attack to topple him and why every story you read or watch will have been made to run a negative angle. They stand to lose a lot should Corbyn lead Labour to election victory. Left & right in a developed country should only refer to economic & social policy. Corbyn stands for a redistribution of the GDP. That doesn't mean an attack on the middle classes or rationed bread. It means obvious things like having companies pay taxes, not allowing the richest to manipulate the tax system with offshore accounts, wage rises, employment protection and those things called houses. Pretty basic stuff. New Labour, Tories & UKIP stand for the opposite. Reduced state and more power for hedgefunds to buy up corporations operating within the UK and take the profits outside of the country. If anyone is thinking about voting UKIP you should take the time to find out their origins. I applaud them for being the spark that got us out of the European Union. It was a damning failure of the left that they were absent from the charge to leave. Probably down to having no outlet to get their message out I suppose. The real values of New Labour were reduced to a few backbenchers until Corbyn came to the fore by which point the referendum was near sealed. So UKIP get rightful credit for enabling us to escape the EU nightmare but it shouldn't be forgotten who and what they are. They're the invention of disgruntled conservatives. They have no concern for the 'working man' demographic that they will target. The political system is such that only two parties will ever win an election thus ruling UKIP out. They're being backed for the specific purpose to wipe out Labour northern areas on the back of a false narrative created by the mainstream media. People would be extremely foolish to fall for their shit. If you want to earn more money and have public services that are funded there is only one party to vote for, everything else represents the opposite. Excellent post - wish I'd written it. Question to Linx, and this isn't rhetorical -I'm just interested in your answer - what would/did your grandad make of Blair and New Labour? |
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 14, 2017 19:10:59 GMT
Labour has strong support locally for Corbyn and the values that he stands for. If Labour put up a Corbynista then they will take the seat comfortably. The only way UKIP will get it is if the PLP put up another 'Tristram' type career politician Anyone know if Gary Elsby's going to try for the nomination? I hope UKIP at least stick woith Mick Harold, who ran a strong properly local campaign last time instead of shipping Nutjob or similar in. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 15, 2017 6:21:24 GMT
Whoever we get let's at least accept we'll carry on getting fucked over.
It'll never happen but if the Tories did win perhaps it'd shock government into spending some time and money here?
Either way be prepared for months of roasting and condescension towards the city and its people in equal measure from the national media and commentators.
A BBC Question Time from Stoke would be interesting as the campaigning ramps up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 8:00:19 GMT
So it's true, The Robots are coming!!! We should stop fighting each other and rise up against Cybernet |
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