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Post by cymap on Feb 24, 2017 13:11:36 GMT
Without a doubt mate, despite winning in stoke Labour still lost another 2% of the Vote and the defeat in Copeland is worse than losing Stoke as its been Labour since 1935 albeit under the name of Whitehaven then. TBH I think its sad for Stoke that it couldnt do the same as Copeland last night and delivered the shock Labour needs and unfortunately Stoke now has 3 more years of Labour doing what its always done for Stoke. Its a pity that the tories weren't more palatable as the young lad Jack seemed to be a decent local lad and was light years ahead of the others in contention and UKIP made a big mistake running Nuttall in Stoke as Labour would throw the kitchen sink at it to save it and lets face it hes not the most likeable guy and was an easy target for the labour Party "Machine" and thus the Media. Unfortunately the Conservative and UKIP vote once again split the vote even though they both gained 2% of the vote thus letting in Labour with 8k votes in a constiuency with 57k possible voters which just shows the apathy in the area. I think 2020 or whenever the next GE is called will torrid for labour if Corbyn is still in charge . But hey we all had a good chinwag about local politics and it was fun If it was "fun", why did you keep calling me a plonker? Because it was fun
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 24, 2017 13:12:42 GMT
If it was "fun", why did you keep calling me a plonker? Because it was fun Bless!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 14:20:59 GMT
Oh well UKIPPERS. You lost, get over it.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 24, 2017 14:27:41 GMT
Oh well UK UPPERS. You lost, get over it. But that isn't how democracy works. UKIP now need to take this to court to try & get it overturned.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 24, 2017 14:35:51 GMT
Oh well UK UPPERS. You lost, get over it. But that isn't how democracy works. UKIP now need to take this to court to try & get it overturned. Shame it wasn't a closer vote as UKIP could've used Farage's motto - "52-48 is unfinished business".
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Post by desman2 on Feb 24, 2017 14:42:29 GMT
Oh well UK UPPERS. You lost, get over it. But that isn't how democracy works. UKIP now need to take this to court to try & get it overturned. The Labour voters didnt know what they were voting for
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 14:57:03 GMT
But that isn't how democracy works. UKIP now need to take this to court to try & get it overturned. The Labour voters didnt know what they were voting for They do They vote for the colour Red
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Post by boothenboy75 on Feb 24, 2017 15:39:51 GMT
Seeing as how he only got 30odd% of the vote on a turn out of just 30odd% he has no mandate whatsoever. I'll be starting a website demanding an immediate rerun and be looking out for some dopey bird to take this through the courts. That is how it works of course, after all who is going to look out for the tens of thousands who didn't vote Snell. #i'masoreloserandwon'tquitmoaning
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Post by thevoid on Feb 24, 2017 18:18:33 GMT
Kipper meltdown imminent. Quite the reverse. A defeat in both by-elections would have made Jezza's position intenable, this should allow him more time to wreck more havoc.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 24, 2017 18:19:13 GMT
UKIP are now bust as a party. Their leader can't win in Stoke in a By-election. Thank you and goodbye. They'ved served their purpose.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 24, 2017 18:20:16 GMT
Oh well UKIPPERS. You lost, get over it. That's about the size of it. A bit like Brexit and Trump.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 24, 2017 18:24:02 GMT
Seeing as how he only got 30odd% of the vote on a turn out of just 30odd% he has no mandate whatsoever. I'll be starting a website demanding an immediate rerun and be looking out for some dopey bird to take this through the courts. That is how it works of course, after all who is going to look out for the tens of thousands who didn't vote Snell. #i'masoreloserandwon'tquitmoaning If you can find a "dopey bird" who has more understanding of British laws than the British government, you'll likely stand a chance. It's either that or shut the fuck up, quit crying, join the winning party, never question anything Labour does ever again, and whatever happens tell yourself Labour are completely correct about everything they've ever done. Welcome to winner-takes-all democracy.
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Post by Mendicant on Feb 24, 2017 19:00:56 GMT
A loaded question but a serious one all the same: during the media coverage of the campaign, did any of you feel embarrassed at the way Stoke and it's people were portrayed?
To me, we came across as bitter about London, uneducated and self-pitying. If charity starts at home then so does personal success. A greater sense of self-determination would not go amiss.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 24, 2017 19:46:04 GMT
Oh well UK UPPERS. You lost, get over it. But that isn't how democracy works. UKIP now need to take this to court to try & get it overturned. Why, was there something illegal about the result you know about but no-one else does, lol! Unlike ignoring parliament which clearly was illegal as defined by two separate courts of law. Not sure anyone has actually gone to court to get the referendum result overturned, but it's probably only a question of time before that becomes an 'alternative fact' as it appears to have done already in your mind! This result suggests that just maybe all the bullshit has finally caught up with people but I suspect not.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2017 20:16:47 GMT
UKIP are now bust as a party. Their leader can't win in Stoke in a By-election. Thank you and goodbye. They'ved served their purpose. And achieved their ultimate goal in the Brexit vote, they have no purpose now they are a spent force, they will however be known for the party who gave us a voice against the EU for that reason alone UKIP/Nige thank you and goodbye.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2017 20:20:28 GMT
Oh well UKIPPERS. You lost, get over it. They will that's how it works in a democracy is it not, UKIP lost Labour won well done Snell will continue Labours sterling work in the City that they have been working on for the last 50 years.
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 24, 2017 20:27:46 GMT
Think so many are missing the real story here - if Nutjob hadn't made so much noise, Jack Brereton was an excellent candidate and I honestly think the seat could have gone Tory. Unthinkable as that might have been a week ago.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 24, 2017 20:44:42 GMT
Think so many are missing the real story here - if Nutjob hadn't made so much noise, Jack Brereton was an excellent candidate and I honestly think the seat could have gone Tory. Unthinkable as that might have been a week ago. I think the Tories knew that Sal. But that would have meant Corbyn going. Labour losing both SOT & Copeland would have finished him off. Far better for them to keep him...badly wounded but still politically alive. And that means a massive majority at the next General Election for the Conservatives.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 24, 2017 22:32:57 GMT
Trudy Harrison's worth a bash on. I'd give her a three line whip.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2017 22:47:33 GMT
Think so many are missing the real story here - if Nutjob hadn't made so much noise, Jack Brereton was an excellent candidate and I honestly think the seat could have gone Tory. Unthinkable as that might have been a week ago. I think the Tories knew that Sal. But that would have meant Corbyn going. Labour losing both SOT & Copeland would have finished him off. Far better for them to keep him...badly wounded but still politically alive. And that means a massive majority at the next General Election for the Conservatives. The Tories should call a snap election in May if they have the bollocks, UKIP are dead the Liberals are buried, let's see if they can put the Corbyn and his sycophants to the sword, it will be the only way to create an effective opposition for the future as long as Bliar is not involved in any way. Brexit needs to be a catalyst for a massive political upheaval in UK politics we have a unique opportunity to FCUK all the bullshit merchants off both in the EU and UK politics.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 24, 2017 22:53:18 GMT
Think so many are missing the real story here - if Nutjob hadn't made so much noise, Jack Brereton was an excellent candidate and I honestly think the seat could have gone Tory. Unthinkable as that might have been a week ago. The UK and Europe are turning their backs on the liberal left, many voters in the Western world are turning to the right of politics, there is a reason for this the Left need to seriously consider why this is happening and take feckin notice instead of behaving like hard done to spoilt brats.
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 24, 2017 23:07:38 GMT
Trudy Harrison's worth a bash on. I'd give her a three line whip. I do love this board
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 24, 2017 23:10:42 GMT
I think the Tories knew that Sal. But that would have meant Corbyn going. Labour losing both SOT & Copeland would have finished him off. Far better for them to keep him...badly wounded but still politically alive. And that means a massive majority at the next General Election for the Conservatives. The Tories should call a snap election in May if they have the bollocks, UKIP are dead the Liberals are buried, let's see if they can put the Corbyn and his sycophants to the sword, it will be the only way to create an effective opposition for the future as long as Bliar is not involved in any way. Brexit needs to be a catalyst for a massive political upheaval in UK politics we have a unique opportunity to FCUK all the bullshit merchants off both in the EU and UK politics. Hmm, if those two by-elections had been south of Birmingham I'm not so sure the Libs are buried by any means. But in terms of seeing UKIP off and really stamping on Labour's hands I agree, thagt would be her moment (sadly, that's a Corbynite talking ).
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Post by mermaidsal on Feb 24, 2017 23:14:43 GMT
A loaded question but a serious one all the same: during the media coverage of the campaign, did any of you feel embarrassed at the way Stoke and it's people were portrayed? To me, we came across as bitter about London, uneducated and self-pitying. If charity starts at home then so does personal success. A greater sense of self-determination would not go amiss. So true, why does Stokie self-respect come across as bleating arrogant resentment so easily? We are strange strange people. Whereas if they'd talked to us at the 365 we'd have sounded like regular human beings, what's that about?
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Post by thevoid on Feb 25, 2017 1:32:59 GMT
Snell looks like a kiddy fiddler He reminds me of Herr Lipp from The League of Gentlemen.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 25, 2017 8:14:07 GMT
Snell looks like a kiddy fiddler He reminds me of Herr Lipp from The League of Gentlemen. Jack Brereton looks like one person and one person only......
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 25, 2017 8:19:52 GMT
"Der mortgige Tag ist mein" Justin, my Justin, my very own Justin
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Feb 25, 2017 19:55:51 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 25, 2017 20:17:55 GMT
A loaded question but a serious one all the same: during the media coverage of the campaign, did any of you feel embarrassed at the way Stoke and it's people were portrayed? To me, we came across as bitter about London, uneducated and self-pitying. If charity starts at home then so does personal success. A greater sense of self-determination would not go amiss. So true, why does Stokie self-respect come across as bleating arrogant resentment so easily? We are strange strange people. Whereas if they'd talked to us at the 365 we'd have sounded like regular human beings, what's that about?You clearly don't sit near me
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Post by Timmypotter on Feb 25, 2017 23:38:01 GMT
Was just coming on here to post this link but you've beaten me to it. It was an enjoyable read and a welcome change from the ' Stoke voted overwhelmingly for Brexit so they must be stupid' stuff I've read. The comments are worth a look too.
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