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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 6, 2017 13:30:17 GMT
what happened in 1991 has no relevance to judging today's season. Many fans weren't born then for a start. And those of us who were there remember how bad it was. Having a bit of a rough patch in the Premier League is no comparison. but that doesn't mean we should accept lower standards now as a result. If that's the case we should just go back down to the championship and finish mid table every year, because after all that's better than mid table League One |
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Post by stokiesteve on Jan 6, 2017 15:43:29 GMT
And those of us who were there remember how bad it was. Having a bit of a rough patch in the Premier League is no comparison. but that doesn't mean we should accept lower standards now as a result. If that's the case we should just go back down to the championship and finish mid table every year, because after all that's better than mid table League One You're missing the point. I think we are too quick to moan on here. Things really aren't that bad in comparison. For example, Sheffield Utd supporters would give next month's wages to be in our position. It has been far worse than this, and my point is there isn't much to moan about really. Things will improve just trust in the manager. In any workplace there are ups and downs, its no different with football. They are human beings with different aspirations and agenda's. You have to take the ups with the downs. The league table I posted was a time when things were just about as shite as they could be. We all had a good moan then!! No complaints there. |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 6, 2017 15:51:26 GMT
but that doesn't mean we should accept lower standards now as a result. If that's the case we should just go back down to the championship and finish mid table every year, because after all that's better than mid table League One You're missing the point. I think we are too quick to moan on here. Things really aren't that bad in comparison. For example, Sheffield Utd supporters would give next month's wages to be in our position. It has been far worse than this, and my point is there isn't much to moan about really. Things will improve just trust in the manager. In any workplace there are ups and downs, its no different with football. They are human beings with different aspirations and agenda's. You have to take the ups with the downs. The league table I posted was a time when things were just about as shite as they could be. We all had a good moan then!! No complaints there. no I get your point it could be worse. We could be like Coventry, Blackburn, Sheff United, etc I just think we should do better with what we have. If in 30 years we're back down in League One we don't want to look back at this era and go "well why didn't we do better with the players we had then" As a club we will have ups and downs but a lot of it seems to be terminal. If a workplace' results were declining at such a pace, there would be concern. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 6, 2017 16:32:13 GMT
You're missing the point. I think we are too quick to moan on here. Things really aren't that bad in comparison. For example, Sheffield Utd supporters would give next month's wages to be in our position. It has been far worse than this, and my point is there isn't much to moan about really. Things will improve just trust in the manager. In any workplace there are ups and downs, its no different with football. They are human beings with different aspirations and agenda's. You have to take the ups with the downs. The league table I posted was a time when things were just about as shite as they could be. We all had a good moan then!! No complaints there. no I get your point it could be worse. We could be like Coventry, Blackburn, Sheff United, etc I just think we should do better with what we have. If in 30 years we're back down in League One we don't want to look back at this era and go "well why didn't we do better with the players we had then" As a club we will have ups and downs but a lot of it seems to be terminal. If a workplace' results were declining at such a pace, there would be concern. To be fair I can't help but think this "we are in terminal decline" perception has been created by a section of our own supporters and is pretty false. Three top-ten finishes, going steady (but not entirely impressive) this season - it isn't exactly horrific stuff. Hull City are a team in decline. Coventry are a team in decline. Crewe are a team in decline. We are a team that has plateaued somewhat for twelve months and requires a couple of signings to kick us on once more. |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 6, 2017 17:28:12 GMT
no I get your point it could be worse. We could be like Coventry, Blackburn, Sheff United, etc I just think we should do better with what we have. If in 30 years we're back down in League One we don't want to look back at this era and go "well why didn't we do better with the players we had then" As a club we will have ups and downs but a lot of it seems to be terminal. If a workplace' results were declining at such a pace, there would be concern. To be fair I can't help but think this "we are in terminal decline" perception has been created by a section of our own supporters and is pretty false. Three top-ten finishes, going steady (but not entirely impressive) this season - it isn't exactly horrific stuff. Hull City are a team in decline. Coventry are a team in decline. Crewe are a team in decline. We are a team that has plateaued somewhat for twelve months and requires a couple of signings to kick us on once more. Not terminal decline by our problems are terminal. It's not merely a case of a bad patch, there are loads of questions to be asked everywhere |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 6, 2017 17:34:36 GMT
To be fair I can't help but think this "we are in terminal decline" perception has been created by a section of our own supporters and is pretty false. Three top-ten finishes, going steady (but not entirely impressive) this season - it isn't exactly horrific stuff. Hull City are a team in decline. Coventry are a team in decline. Crewe are a team in decline. We are a team that has plateaued somewhat for twelve months and requires a couple of signings to kick us on once more. Not terminal decline by our problems are terminal. It's not merely a case of a bad patch, there are loads of questions to be asked everywhere Explain how our problems are terminal. |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 6, 2017 18:44:32 GMT
Not terminal decline by our problems are terminal. It's not merely a case of a bad patch, there are loads of questions to be asked everywhere Explain how our problems are terminal. Well a unbalanced squad, shite tactics and best players being left out shouldn't be terminal but hughes makes it feel like its been like this for ever. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 6, 2017 18:47:20 GMT
Explain how our problems are terminal. Well a unbalanced squad, shite tactics and best players being left out shouldn't be terminal but hughes makes it feel like its been like this for ever. So not terminal then? A couple of astute signings to balance the side up and we'll be owrate? |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 6, 2017 19:17:04 GMT
Typical premiership supporters I can't believe some of the comments on here and on Radio Stoke tonight We just beat a team who were above us in the League, we kept a clean sheet, we scored 2 and could easily have had 4 But that's not good enough anymore. We must wallop teams like Watford by 5 or 6. And In the process we have to play like a mixture of Real Madrid and Barcelona Get Real. We're a lot better than the strugglers at the bottom we're a lot worse than the top 6. It's virtually impossible these days to do anything better so WTF do some people want !!! Occasionally we will click and tonk somebody but in this League that's going to be a rare occurrence. Let's be thankful for what we have because as someone who's been there for the last 53 years I know it can be much much worse than this Rant over You're absolutely right! I''m thrilled every time we win against anybody in the PL as there are no easy games any longer, but some supporters seem to belive we should at least compete for a top six spot, which I really find amusing! The day we can compete with the likes of Chelsea, Manchester C., Manchester U., Arsenal, Tottenham and Lpool we really would overachieve! To anybody with football kowledge being a top half team is more than decent for a club like us. If we occasionally could beat above this it would be more than fantastic, but I will always be quite satisfied with a mid table finish for us, anything else would be really unbelievable. We know we can beat anybody at home on our day, and hopefully this will take us back to Wembeley one day again! I've supported this team for more than 40 years and the last 10 have really been the best! GO ON STOKE!  |
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 6, 2017 20:07:55 GMT
Well a unbalanced squad, shite tactics and best players being left out shouldn't be terminal but hughes makes it feel like its been like this for ever. So not terminal then? A couple of astute signings to balance the side up and we'll be owrate? we could do with using some of the players we have! |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 6, 2017 20:43:24 GMT
To be fair I can't help but think this "we are in terminal decline" perception has been created by a section of our own supporters and is pretty false. Three top-ten finishes, going steady (but not entirely impressive) this season - it isn't exactly horrific stuff. Hull City are a team in decline. Coventry are a team in decline. Crewe are a team in decline. We are a team that has plateaued somewhat for twelve months and requires a couple of signings to kick us on once more. Not terminal decline by our problems are terminal. It's not merely a case of a bad patch, there are loads of questions to be asked everywhere There always are lots of questions to be answered in football (and always will). It isn't just something that is limited to North Staffordshire. I think people over-exaggerate our problems (which are not as horrific as people like to make out!) |
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Post by blackpoolred on Jan 6, 2017 21:23:37 GMT
Typical premiership supporters I can't believe some of the comments on here and on Radio Stoke tonight We just beat a team who were above us in the League, we kept a clean sheet, we scored 2 and could easily have had 4 But that's not good enough anymore. We must wallop teams like Watford by 5 or 6. And In the process we have to play like a mixture of Real Madrid and Barcelona Get Real. We're a lot better than the strugglers at the bottom we're a lot worse than the top 6. It's virtually impossible these days to do anything better so WTF do some people want !!! Occasionally we will click and tonk somebody but in this League that's going to be a rare occurrence. Let's be thankful for what we have because as someone who's been there for the last 53 years I know it can be much much worse than this Rant over I can’t understand quite why there was so much negativity after a win if I am honest. I think you are also correct in saying we have some fickle fans who have probably joined us in the last few years and have probably not experienced the pains of the past, we picked up 15,000 fans from nowhere when we arrived in the prem  I have been a supporter for nearly 50 years and would be delighted with somewhere round mid table every year – obviously would like to do better. I am worried though: defensively we look short of numbers, height and a bit of youth and vigour, that reflected in the 70 goals we shipped in the 38 games of the calendar year in 2016 – which is possible relegation form – does have feeling of a downward spiral. 3 years on from Hughes promising start we did think, that by now, we would have a thoroughly new side full of Hughes flavour and vision, yet a lot of his big money signings were once more left warming the bench on Tuesday night, while the trusty old guard where sent out again – some of them perhaps could of been moved on by now or maybe even a couple of season a go. I am personally delighted with the win and being on 24pts at this stage of the season, especially after that start. But does not mean we should rest on our laurels and that the manager is beyond a bit of criticism. He has the backing of the chairman and needs to do better in the transfer market, we have been in poor form for a year now and we amassed 42pts in the 38 games of the calendar year of 2016 – Pulis was sacked for finishing on the same amount, we should not also just sit back and accept demise now, just because of our poor past. That said I like Hughes and I like the fact he is not afraid to bench his so called superstars - it takes balls for more reasons than one and he must know that It can’t be pleasing Sir Peter |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 6, 2017 21:49:46 GMT
So not terminal then? A couple of astute signings to balance the side up and we'll be owrate? we could do with using some of the players we have! Yeah I don't disagree with that but that makes our predicament even further from terminal. |
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I have been a supporter for nearly 50 years and would be delighted with somewhere round mid table every year – obviously would like to do better.
