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Post by stokiesteve on Jan 5, 2017 8:24:06 GMT
1990-91 Final League Table League 1 (Old Division 3) Pos Club P W D L F A GD Pts 1 Cambridge United 46 25 11 10 75 45 +25 86 2 Southend United 46 26 7 13 67 51 +16 85 3 Grimsby Town 46 24 11 11 66 34 +32 83 4 Bolton Wanderers 46 24 11 11 64 50 +14 83 5 Tranmere Rovers 46 23 9 14 64 46 +18 78 6 Brentford 46 21 13 12 59 47 +12 76 7 Bury 46 20 13 13 59 47 +12 76 8 Bradford City 46 20 10 16 62 54 +8 70 9 Bournemouth 46 19 13 14 58 58 0 70 10 Wigan Athletic 46 20 9 17 61 54 +7 69 11 Huddersfield Town 46 18 13 15 57 51 +6 67 12 Birmingham City 46 16 17 13 45 49 –4 65 13 Leyton Orient 46 18 10 18 55 58 –3 64 14 Stoke City 46 16 12 18 55 59 –4 60 15 Reading 46 17 8 21 53 66 –13 59 16 Exeter City 46 16 9 21 58 52 +6 57 17 Preston North End 46 15 11 20 54 67 –13 56 18 Shrewsbury Town 46 14 10 22 61 68 –7 52 19 Chester City 46 14 9 23 46 58 –14 51 20 Swansea City 46 13 9 24 49 72 –23 48 21 Fulham 46 10 16 20 41 56 –15 46 22 Crewe Alexandra 46 11 11 24 62 80 –18 44 23 Rotherham United 46 10 12 24 50 87 –37 42 24 Mansfield Town 46 8 14 24 42 63 –21 38 what happened in 1991 has no relevance to judging today's season. Many fans weren't born then for a start. And those of us who were there remember how bad it was. Having a bit of a rough patch in the Premier League is no comparison.
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Post by jeycov on Jan 5, 2017 9:20:37 GMT
Typical premiership supporters I can't believe some of the comments on here and on Radio Stoke tonight We just beat a team who were above us in the League, we kept a clean sheet, we scored 2 and could easily have had 4 But that's not good enough anymore. We must wallop teams like Watford by 5 or 6. And In the process we have to play like a mixture of Real Madrid and Barcelona Get Real. We're a lot better than the strugglers at the bottom we're a lot worse than the top 6. It's virtually impossible these days to do anything better so WTF do some people want !!! Occasionally we will click and tonk somebody but in this League that's going to be a rare occurrence. Let's be thankful for what we have because as someone who's been there for the last 53 years I know it can be much much worse than this Rant over Can I ask a,serious question? Other than an absolutely abysmal Watford team do you think tonight's performance would have produced 3 points against any other premier league team? Probably not, but in most respects unrecognisable to some of our play v Liverpool and Chelsea and our determination with 10 men v Southampton. However, 3 points was the most important outcome imo and I'd settle for 3 points and a mediocre performance at Sunderland! This is Stoke so possibly nothing at Sunderland and good performance v Man Utd ( not necessarily any reward) Frustrating !
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 5, 2017 9:47:41 GMT
what happened in 1991 has no relevance to judging today's season. Many fans weren't born then for a start. And those of us who were there remember how bad it was. Having a bit of a rough patch in the Premier League is no comparison. Are those around in the 70's able to post league tables from those days to show how far backwards we've gone?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 5, 2017 9:48:49 GMT
Can I ask a,serious question? Other than an absolutely abysmal Watford team do you think tonight's performance would have produced 3 points against any other premier league team? Probably not, but in most respects unrecognisable to some of our play v Liverpool and Chelsea and our determination with 10 men v Southampton. However, 3 points was the most important outcome imo and I'd settle for 3 points and a mediocre performance at Sunderland! This is Stoke so possibly nothing at Sunderland and good performance v Man Utd ( not necessarily any reward) Frustrating ! I've seen us lose so many times at Sunderland, I'd take anything that saw us come away with 3 points
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 9:50:41 GMT
1990-91 Final League Table League 1 (Old Division 3) Pos Club P W D L F A GD Pts 1 Cambridge United 46 25 11 10 75 45 +25 86 2 Southend United 46 26 7 13 67 51 +16 85 3 Grimsby Town 46 24 11 11 66 34 +32 83 4 Bolton Wanderers 46 24 11 11 64 50 +14 83 5 Tranmere Rovers 46 23 9 14 64 46 +18 78 6 Brentford 46 21 13 12 59 47 +12 76 7 Bury 46 20 13 13 59 47 +12 76 8 Bradford City 46 20 10 16 62 54 +8 70 9 Bournemouth 46 19 13 14 58 58 0 70 10 Wigan Athletic 46 20 9 17 61 54 +7 69 11 Huddersfield Town 46 18 13 15 57 51 +6 67 12 Birmingham City 46 16 17 13 45 49 –4 65 13 Leyton Orient 46 18 10 18 55 58 –3 64 14 Stoke City 46 16 12 18 55 59 –4 60 15 Reading 46 17 8 21 53 66 –13 59 16 Exeter City 46 16 9 21 58 52 +6 57 17 Preston North End 46 15 11 20 54 67 –13 56 18 Shrewsbury Town 46 14 10 22 61 68 –7 52 19 Chester City 46 14 9 23 46 58 –14 51 20 Swansea City 46 13 9 24 49 72 –23 48 21 Fulham 46 10 16 20 41 56 –15 46 22 Crewe Alexandra 46 11 11 24 62 80 –18 44 23 Rotherham United 46 10 12 24 50 87 –37 42 24 Mansfield Town 46 8 14 24 42 63 –21 38 what happened in 1991 has no relevance to judging today's season. Many fans weren't born then for a start. I wasn't born for a lot of things that have happened in history but it doesn't mean I don't apply what I know from the past to how I judge things in the present.
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Post by 1963 on Jan 5, 2017 10:15:06 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 5, 2017 10:44:05 GMT
I wasn't asking you to post one! I was simply asking if it in judging our current position, using the 70's was an acceptable barometer? If not, why is going back to 1991 more acceptable than going back to 1975?
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 5, 2017 11:06:31 GMT
what happened in 1991 has no relevance to judging today's season. Many fans weren't born then for a start. I wasn't born for a lot of things that have happened in history but it doesn't mean I don't apply what I know from the past to how I judge things in the present. maybe so but I don't think this can be applied to the present. We shouldn't lower standards merely because we're a better club than what we were 25 years ago. Man City finished in the League 1 play off places once, do they just accept top 4 even though they spend £££ for the title?
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Post by stokiesteve on Jan 5, 2017 20:17:26 GMT
And those of us who were there remember how bad it was. Having a bit of a rough patch in the Premier League is no comparison. Are those around in the 70's able to post league tables from those days to show how far backwards we've gone? Maybe. Things were a bit dire in the 60's though
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 5, 2017 20:58:45 GMT
And those of us who were there remember how bad it was. Having a bit of a rough patch in the Premier League is no comparison. Are those around in the 70's able to post league tables from those days to show how far backwards we've gone? That's the thing, we haven't gone backwards since the 70's. Never in Stoke's history have we managed 3 consecutive top ten finishes. We reached a major cup semifinal for only the seventh time in more than 120 years. We are currently 11th, 6 points off a probable Uefa place and 9 points off relegation. But holy crap we are going backwards! Unbelievable.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 5, 2017 21:01:39 GMT
I wasn't born for a lot of things that have happened in history but it doesn't mean I don't apply what I know from the past to how I judge things in the present. maybe so but I don't think this can be applied to the present. We shouldn't lower standards merely because we're a better club than what we were 25 years ago. Man City finished in the League 1 play off places once, do they just accept top 4 even though they spend £££ for the title? Compared to Man City and other top teams squad value, do you think Stoke finishing ninth last year is Over-achievement or under-achievement?
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 5, 2017 21:06:29 GMT
I wasn't asking you to post one! I was simply asking if it in judging our current position, using the 70's was an acceptable barometer? If not, why is going back to 1991 more acceptable than going back to 1975? And the year after that we came 12th and then relegated the next. Is that better than our current run? We have not gone backwards when compared with any 3-5 year period in Stoke's entire history.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 5, 2017 21:08:22 GMT
Are those around in the 70's able to post league tables from those days to show how far backwards we've gone? That's the thing, we haven't gone backwards since the 70's. Never in Stoke's history have we managed 3 consecutive top ten finishes. We reached a major cup semifinal for only the seventh time in more than 120 years. We are currently 11th, 6 points off a probable Uefa place and 9 points off relegation. But holy crap we are going backwards! Unbelievable. You are preaching to the converted. Doesn't alter the fact that Tuesday night was absolutely shite.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 5, 2017 21:09:06 GMT
I wasn't asking you to post one! I was simply asking if it in judging our current position, using the 70's was an acceptable barometer? If not, why is going back to 1991 more acceptable than going back to 1975? And the year after that we came 12th and then relegated the next. Is that better than our current run? We have not gone backwards when compared with any 3-5 year period in Stoke's entire history. I haven't said we have.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 5, 2017 21:09:23 GMT
Typical premiership supporters I can't believe some of the comments on here and on Radio Stoke tonight We just beat a team who were above us in the League, we kept a clean sheet, we scored 2 and could easily have had 4 But that's not good enough anymore. We must wallop teams like Watford by 5 or 6. And In the process we have to play like a mixture of Real Madrid and Barcelona Get Real. We're a lot better than the strugglers at the bottom we're a lot worse than the top 6. It's virtually impossible these days to do anything better so WTF do some people want !!! Occasionally we will click and tonk somebody but in this League that's going to be a rare occurrence. Let's be thankful for what we have because as someone who's been there for the last 53 years I know it can be much much worse than this Rant over Because we should be walloping Watford the same way we have been walloped by 3 or 4 several times in the past 12 months. Lacking killer instinct and GD is very important too.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 5, 2017 21:16:06 GMT
That's the thing, we haven't gone backwards since the 70's. Never in Stoke's history have we managed 3 consecutive top ten finishes. We reached a major cup semifinal for only the seventh time in more than 120 years. We are currently 11th, 6 points off a probable Uefa place and 9 points off relegation. But holy crap we are going backwards! Unbelievable. You are preaching to the converted. Doesn't alter the fact that Tuesday night was absolutely shite. Yeah, but not suicide worthy shite! I've got a good feeling about Wolves! Bojan to grab a brace, with Crouch, and Arnie getting 1 a piece!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 5, 2017 21:17:41 GMT
You are preaching to the converted. Doesn't alter the fact that Tuesday night was absolutely shite. Yeah, but not suicide worthy shite! I've got a good feeling about Wolves! Bojan to grab a brace, with Crouch, and Arnie getting 1 a piece! I have a good feeling about every game until I see the team sheet
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Post by kustokie on Jan 5, 2017 21:21:45 GMT
maybe so but I don't think this can be applied to the present. We shouldn't lower standards merely because we're a better club than what we were 25 years ago. Man City finished in the League 1 play off places once, do they just accept top 4 even though they spend £££ for the title? Compared to Man City and other top teams squad value, do you think Stoke finishing ninth last year is Over-achievement or under-achievement? Football is very cyclical and our peaks don't appear to be quite high enough for us to finish in the top 6 and longer cup runs will be fairly rare. Unfortunately, our troughs are low enough that some years we'll be in a relegation struggle. So maybe 9th is the best we can hope for, but that shouldn't stop us from holding ambitions to finish higehr and occasionally we demonstrate it is possible. Let's face it, being a Stoke supporter is bloody hard work!
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Post by Stoke711 on Jan 5, 2017 21:24:36 GMT
what happened in 1991 has no relevance to judging today's season. Many fans weren't born then for a start. And those of us who were there remember how bad it was. Having a bit of a rough patch in the Premier League is no comparison. Why does remembering how bad it used to be stop us from wanting something better??? So you're happy to go through life with the status quo because life could be worse?? I'm more ambitious than that and I'm always looking to improve my life rather than thinking well I had a shit childhood so I should be happy with what I have.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Jan 5, 2017 22:19:50 GMT
maybe so but I don't think this can be applied to the present. We shouldn't lower standards merely because we're a better club than what we were 25 years ago. Man City finished in the League 1 play off places once, do they just accept top 4 even though they spend £££ for the title? Compared to Man City and other top teams squad value, do you think Stoke finishing ninth last year is Over-achievement or under-achievement? As par. There's some very poor teams in this league.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 5, 2017 22:21:22 GMT
Can I ask a,serious question? Other than an absolutely abysmal Watford team do you think tonight's performance would have produced 3 points against any other premier league team? Thing is though, that isn't necessarily relevant. It was the right performance for the team that turned up to play against us on the night. Cos that's them three points right there, in that bag. I know we have problems and generally we are really shit this season. But we needed to win, and we did win. Also, and I know it goes against a lot of what I've said recently, but I have also always said the table doesn't lie, and we're 11th, which isn't really all that bad. Could be better, but it's not a disaster. It's a really odd season. We've had the worst tonkings in living memory and yet...we're 11th....
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Post by samba :) on Jan 5, 2017 23:57:53 GMT
Does this topic really need 5 pages of arguing? I can see the mathews statue being busy on Saturday
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Post by kustokie on Jan 6, 2017 0:14:26 GMT
Does this topic really need 5 pages of arguing? I can see the mathews statue being busy on Saturday To paraphrase Monty Python: this isn't an argument, it's contradiction.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 6, 2017 0:16:04 GMT
what happened in 1991 has no relevance to judging today's season. Many fans weren't born then for a start. And those of us who were there remember how bad it was. Having a bit of a rough patch in the Premier League is no comparison. This. The idea that what happened in the past has no relevance now is utter rubbish. It's called perspective.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 6, 2017 0:26:37 GMT
And those of us who were there remember how bad it was. Having a bit of a rough patch in the Premier League is no comparison. This. The idea that what happened in the past has no relevance now is utter rubbish. It's called perspective. Leason of history and all that. The question is what can we learn from mistakes of the past?
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Post by alster on Jan 6, 2017 0:27:46 GMT
This. The idea that what happened in the past has no relevance now is utter rubbish. It's called perspective. Leason of history and all that. The question is what can we learn from mistakes of the past? Wasn't he a rougue trader.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 6, 2017 0:27:52 GMT
This. The idea that what happened in the past has no relevance now is utter rubbish. It's called perspective. Leason of history and all that. The question is what can we learn from mistakes of the past? Don't give Chris Kamara the manager's job? *winkyface*
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Post by kustokie on Jan 6, 2017 0:31:31 GMT
Leason of history and all that. The question is what can we learn from mistakes of the past? Wasn't he a rougue trader. Eh? Who?
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Post by thanksjon on Jan 6, 2017 12:01:56 GMT
I come over for about 8 or 9 matches a season,I was there on Tuesday,first half was poor but I thought we were decent in second half.Lumping the ball up to Crouchy shouldn't be Plan A but it not a sin if you are under pressure.Watford were poor although the ref was poorer.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 6, 2017 12:05:30 GMT
Taking the long term view it's been pretty good news after the horrors of that 1888 season!!
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