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Post by kustokie on Apr 23, 2016 23:45:27 GMT
I have a little short of 2,500 posts, which are mostly rubbish because I am no expert on football. However, there's one thing I do know a bit about - drugs. I have been drug research for 40 years and have picked up a thing or too on the way. So here's my first post based on entirely on facts (and being in the know). Our game is rapidly changing from the slow build-up tippy-tappy style (that we hate), based on skill into a fast paced, in your face style that is based on speed, strength and stamina. Spurs and Leicester epitomize this new game. And what does this style require? That's right - performance enhancing drugs like steroids, EPO, growth hormone, blood infusions etc. It's very naive to think that footballers and especially trainers are not immune to the temptations - the rewards are too high and the margins between success and failure are measured in milliseconds and fractions of an inch. We've seen it in baseball and cycling and it took several years to recover and clean them up. Prior to the BALCO scandal, the conventional wisdom was that PEDs were for sports that required strength or stamina. Not so, they also improve speed, reaction time and above all the confidence that the user has an edge over those that don't use them. Steroids and growth hormone build lean muscle but atheletes don't necessarily bulk up unless they lift weights. In addition to speed, strength and stamina, PEDs especially growth hormone can dramatically reduce recovery time from injury (note: the top two teams in the league have had the fewest players lost to injury, which in turn has allowed them to make the fewest changes, week to week). PEDs turn very good atheletes into superstars. Anyone needing proof, should google Barry Bonds, baseball and the BALCO scandal. After PEDs, Bonds went from a very good hitter and fielder to one who could run faster, hitter further and run faster. In his case he did bulk up by lifting weight (he put on 30 lbs of pure muscle). The before and after pictures are striking. Here's another interesting fact: apart from shrinking testicles, one of the most common side effects of steroids and growth hormone is a change in personality leading to uncontrollable out bursts of anger ('roid rage). Has anyone seen Vardy behave that way previously. I watched Yaya Toure today - he's always been a kind of gentle giant. Today he was a different person. It's coming folks, Sakho may not be the tip of the ice yet, but he is likely the sign of things to come. Here's another interesting fact: some of the most infamous quacks pushing this shit come from Spain and Italy.
EDIT I changed the title of my post because this is nothing to joke about
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Post by maliciousdamage on Apr 23, 2016 23:53:41 GMT
Is it possible Stoke players have recently been subjected to performance Dehancing drugs!!!!
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Post by kustokie on Apr 23, 2016 23:55:44 GMT
Is it possible Stoke players have recently been subjected to performance Dehancing drugs!!!! Or just late to the party!
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Post by spitshaw on Apr 23, 2016 23:58:25 GMT
Yes, every aggressive outburst in sport is proof that said athlete is on steroids just because steroids are sometimes known to make heavy users angry. Nothing to do with passion or heightened adrenaline or you know, every other normal non drug reason of aggression that results from basic participation in sport. Definitely is because of drugs.
Great logic.
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Post by samba :) on Apr 24, 2016 0:00:17 GMT
But surely they take the right drug tests?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Apr 24, 2016 0:01:30 GMT
I go on a boxing forum and I am amazed how many people think boxing is "clean". MMA fighters have been caught recently, and there was the controversy with Sharapova in tennis.
I don't doubt for a minute football has it's share of users. Look for marked improvement in stamina levels from one season to the next....
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 0:02:37 GMT
But surely they take the right drug tests? They do, but the trainers know every trick in the book to beat the testing. This is big business (bigger than illegal drugs and much safer).
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Post by 1raytuper on Apr 24, 2016 0:03:20 GMT
yawwwwwn
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 0:03:32 GMT
Yes, every aggressive outburst in sport is proof that said athlete is on steroids just because steroids are sometimes known to make heavy users angry. Nothing to do with passion or heightened adrenaline or you know, every other normal non drug reason of aggression that results from basic participation in sport. Definitely is because of drugs. Great logic. You're just being very naive. This is a big deal.
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Post by tijuanabrass on Apr 24, 2016 0:43:55 GMT
A nice bit of insight. I'm not an expert but I do know that with the cash spiralling around the Premier league it is beyond naive to think it isn't going on . Now, whether the FA are turning a blind eye or whether the masking is that good, I don't know but given what's happened in other sports I think the revelations of widespread and institutionalised chemical abuse are not far from coming to light.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 0:49:22 GMT
Never taken performance enhancing drugs but shagging a bird after a night on ecstacy could be called "performance enhancing"
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 24, 2016 3:20:04 GMT
Ive said for a while this season looks dodgy. Certain teams have become overnight winners not on any improvement in skill but on 'wanting it more' aka running faster and harder than anyone else. History tells us if something looks too good to be true it probably is.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 3:55:02 GMT
Ive said for a while this season looks dodgy. Certain teams have become overnight winners not on any improvement in skill but on 'wanting it more' aka running faster and harder than anyone else. History tells us if something looks too good to be true it probably is. Exactly right mate. The present FIFA scandal is nothing to what's coming next. The problem is not with the team's organizing the doping that would be too obvious. It comes from the people that the surround the players and influence them to "try this" or "you should talk to Dr. so and so, he's got these great herbal remedies that have really helped". Except these herbal remedies are anabolic steroids, growth hormone, etc. Very quickly they realize or imagine they do make a difference and they're scared to stop taking them or their performance will drop off. Now, they're hooked and scared shitless they will be caught. So in the next phase they are taught how to avoid detection. The old tricks were to take diuretics that dilute the drugs in the urine, or switch urine samples, or time the doses so that blood and urine levels are low and cannot be detected. As the chemistry improved they moved on to growth hormone and EPO which are naturally occurring substances and therefore it's difficult to detect if the levels are artificially elevated. Players are getting caught now because the detection methods have improved again - so they move onto the next thing. There's so much money to made that the people pushing this are now very sophisticated and always one step ahead of the people doing the testing and they have a lot more money. Sadly the people doing the testing are very vulnerable to bribery and sometimes cannot resist the temptation to make a little extra cash. After all, unlike drugs such as heroin and cocaine this is a "victimless crime", where the only ones hurt are the fans - unless you count the former player that will likely die in his 40s or 50s. You don't think about that when you're 20, which why people smoke and do other daft things when they're young
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 4:30:31 GMT
Interestingly, I just heard the numpties on Sports Talk scoffing at Sakho getting caught taking "fat burning" over the counter product. That's a classic sign that he has no idea what hes taking. They also mocked Kolo Toure (see my earlier comments about his brother Yaya Toure) for taking his wife's "water tablets". Water tablets are actually diuretics, which are used to reduce fluid build up during menstruation by increasing ursine production. They are also used to treat heart failure and high blood pressure. Unfortunately water tablets have been widely abused in sport. They've been used by boxers and wrestlers for decades so that they can make the weight. Unfortunately, they have serious side effects like muscle weakness, muscles cramps, kidney damage, low blood pressure and fainting. More recently they have been used by athletes to increase urine production and flush out illegal drugs, notably steroids and stimulants like amphetamine. Consequently, diuretics are banned because they are a dead give away. If Toure was using diuretics to mask drug abuse he's not only a cheat he's also getting bad advice because that's a very old approach and way to catch.
EDIT I almost forgot: Sakho has been accused of taking "a fat burning drug". What's that you ask, I'll have some of that. The trouble is one of the best "fat burning drugs" ever invented is metamphetamine, which was originally marketed as a pick me up. Later it was found to help people lose weight, which it does very well. Unfortunately, it has one or two very nasty side effects like anxiety, suicidal ideation, aggression, rage and last but by no means it raises blood pressure which can cause a heart attack or stroke and death. There are lots of so called designer amphetamines out there that are used to avoid detection.
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Post by turtlefox on Apr 24, 2016 4:41:44 GMT
Personally, I don't see the problem. Many forms of greatness of been achieved through drugs. What's wrong with putting someting in your body that makes you a better person in whatever you may do. If we all took PED's, would we all become Messi ? No. You still need the imagination to get there no matter which drugs you are taking. Taking certain drugs may make you more athletic but it wont give you the know how of how to be that good in the first place. It maybe unsportsman like but if there was a drug out there that made me better at being me, I would take it. The sharapova case is stupid. A drug that was legal 12 months ago, so I am to believe but now banned ? Sharapova is now a shamed drugs cheat who is actually a fantastic tennis player. We all take things to make us perform better in our lives. Give the MMA fighters PCP. That would be worth pay per view ( joke )
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 4:56:01 GMT
Personally, I don't see the problem. Many forms of greatness of been achieved through drugs. What's wrong with putting someting in your body that makes you a better person in whatever you may do. If we all took PED's, would we all become Messi ? No. You still need the imagination to get there no matter which drugs you are taking. Taking certain drugs may make you more athletic but it wont give you the know how of how to be that good in the first place. It maybe unsportsman like but if there was a drug out there that made me better at being me, I would take it. The sharapova case is stupid. A drug that was legal 12 months ago, so I am to believe but now banned ? Sharapova is now a shamed drugs cheat who is actually a fantastic tennis player. We all take things to make us perform better in our lives. Give the MMA fighters PCP. That would be worth pay per view ( joke ) All that's true and I realize this is a bit tongue in cheek. Unfortunately, it comes with a price - some of this stuff is very dangerous and can kill you or seriously damage your health down the line. Most American footballers who you have to agree don't look very normal die prematurely in their 50s. Worse still, this stuff is in the gyms in most high schools in the US. 15 years ago there might be the odd kid here than in HS that was petty big. Now it is common to High School Football teams with several monsters that are well over 300 lbs. The sad part is the professional atheletes at least get drugs that were originally distributed through legitimate sources and is "the real thing". The stuff that hits the street is very dodgy and either not very pure or doesn't even contain the right drug.
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Post by turtlefox on Apr 24, 2016 5:33:16 GMT
I suppose that's the problem. Young kids think that PED's will make them great. Also a vanity thing, with bulk build muscle types thinking that they will be Gods gift to all women. Evolution works in strange ways and not always for the better.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 6:01:53 GMT
Interesting stuff KuStokie. Like one or two others on here, i've been rinsing this notion around in my head for a few months and given it even more consideration over the last few weeks based purely on the gap that's opening up at the top of the league and the manner and pace in which both Spurs and particularly Leicester are playing. Liverpool too seem to be currently shifting a gear or two. I hope i'm wrong. I remember reading about an imminent developing EPO doping story in La Liga involving Real Sociedad (who finished 2nd in La Liga in the suspicios season) which never actually broke. But it was this one Spanish doctor (Fuentes) that was facilitating Lance Armstrong and supposedly the Real Sociedad. Both Barcelona and Real Madrid sued french newspaper Le Monde for doping allegations relating to Fuentes too. www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/la-liga/9847272/Spanish-football-shaken-by-drug-claims-made-by-former-Real-Sociedad-president.htmlAnd now this Sahko story at Liverpool is in the headlines...makes you wonder. Did Leicester start using EPO at the end of last season as a desperate attempt to stay in the division? I'm tempted to think "no smoke without fire" or maybe it is just a complete freak of a season?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 6:21:03 GMT
Cheating. End of. You all know what I think of that. I've always though that it is prevalent in rugby league. If it has to come to this, sport IMHO is not worth watching.
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Post by Northy on Apr 24, 2016 6:24:39 GMT
Personally, I don't see the problem. We all take things to make us perform better in our lives. Speak for yourself, I dont use the blue tablets
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Post by turtlefox on Apr 24, 2016 6:31:20 GMT
Personally, I don't see the problem. We all take things to make us perform better in our lives. Speak for yourself, I dont use the blue tablets For someone that rides a horse, that's good going.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 7:00:52 GMT
Is it possible Stoke players have recently been subjected to performance Dehancing drugs!!!! So which one of our star players will be chosen to dance with anton dubec on this year's strictly come dehancing ???
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 24, 2016 7:35:06 GMT
Interestingly, I just heard the numpties on Sports Talk scoffing at Sakho getting caught taking "fat burning" over the counter product. That's a classic sign that he has no idea what hes taking. They also mocked Kolo Toure (see my earlier comments about his brother Yaya Toure) for taking his wife's "water tablets". Water tablets are actually diuretics, which are used to reduce fluid build up during menstruation by increasing ursine production. They are also used to treat heart failure and high blood pressure. Unfortunately water tablets have been widely abused in sport. They've been used by boxers and wrestlers for decades so that they can make the weight. Unfortunately, they have serious side effects like muscle weakness, muscles cramps, kidney damage, low blood pressure and fainting. More recently they have been used by athletes to increase urine production and flush out illegal drugs, notably steroids and stimulants like amphetamine. Consequently, diuretics are banned because they are a dead give away. If Toure was using diuretics to mask drug abuse he's not only a cheat he's also getting bad advice because that's a very old approach and way to catch. EDIT I almost forgot: Sakho has been accused of taking "a fat burning drug". What's that you ask, I'll have some of that. The trouble is one of the best "fat burning drugs" ever invented is metamphetamine, which was originally marketed as a pick me up. Later it was found to help people lose weight, which it does very well. Unfortunately, it has one or two very nasty side effects like anxiety, suicidal ideation, aggression, rage and last but by no means it raises blood pressure which can cause a heart attack or stroke and death. There are lots of so called designer amphetamines out there that are used to avoid detection. Having just completed a lengthy spell of prescribed water tablets I can vouch for their efficacy. The side effects you list are real. (especially one). They did the job that they were prescribed for but the only enhancement I got were more frequent trips to the bog. I'm glad that it's all finished now and I can get a decent nights sleep. I really couldn't possibly imagine taking anything let alone water tablets for any prolonged period, the potential damage is not worth it.
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Post by richardparker on Apr 24, 2016 7:49:23 GMT
Good post - topical and most probably with much truth in it.
To lighten the mood, does anyone remember Rooney's performance enhanced rug, from a few years back?
Now seems to be wearing thin as he heads into the twilight of his career.
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Post by malteser68 on Apr 24, 2016 8:08:41 GMT
An Italian bodybuilder just died from abusing these drugs. Use of these drugs is massive in Italy. Their great cyclist Pantani was also caught out and then committed suicide. There was a time when the whole Juve team was found to be using them. I would not be surprised at all that such drugs are being used by players in the PL. I would certainly vouch however that our Charlie Adam is making no use of fat burning drugs ????
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Post by VolvicStokie on Apr 24, 2016 8:15:40 GMT
Whilst I'm not disagreeing with you.
Don't you think it may be a little far fetched that both Spurs and Leicester are all the sudden on drugs which means they are at the top?
I won't discount it, but they've got their on merit in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 8:16:16 GMT
Very interesting.
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Post by tobeperfectlyhonest on Apr 24, 2016 8:20:25 GMT
After recent performances, I can only assume we've been getting ours off the internet or from that dodgy looking bloke with the hoody who hangs around Stoke station......
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 24, 2016 8:31:43 GMT
Yes Please
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Post by chuffedstokie on Apr 24, 2016 8:42:28 GMT
It was only recently a certain pundit commented on the physical make up / stature of Vardy in particular, describing him as similar to a wild cat, insomuch the leanness, lack of bulk and muscle, just pace. Obviously the guy can finish as well but....
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