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Post by nicholasjalcock on Apr 24, 2016 8:59:59 GMT
If Sakho has been taking slimming pills, what on earth has Bojan been taking?
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Apr 24, 2016 12:17:26 GMT
Don't know what players can and can't take but I do know some over the counter medicines are banned. Lemsip being one of them, someone could of put something in one sakhos drinks.
As for the original post personally find that a load of bollocks all top clubs do their own drug tests as well as the FA led ones. Find it hard to believe so many players will be getting away with it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 24, 2016 12:33:13 GMT
Don't know what players can and can't take but I do know some over the counter medicines are banned. Lemsip being one of them, someone could of put something in one sakhos drinks. As for the original post personally find that a load of bollocks all top clubs do their own drug tests as well as the FA led ones. Find it hard to believe so many players will be getting away with it. The testing in football is pretty crap isn't it?
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 13:35:08 GMT
Don't know what players can and can't take but I do know some over the counter medicines are banned. Lemsip being one of them, someone could of put something in one sakhos drinks. As for the original post personally find that a load of bollocks all top clubs do their own drug tests as well as the FA led ones. Find it hard to believe so many players will be getting away with it. As I said before it doesn't come from the team's per se, it comes from all the hangers on. Interesting that you bring up Lemsip. Players sometimes get caught with taking over the counter cold remedies and are usually innocent but not always. Most cold remedies contain either phenylephrine or pseudo ephedrine, which are very effective nasal and sinus decongestants. They are both structurally related to amphetamine and are mild stimulants. They can also produce small amounts of weight reduction. Unfortunately, they have side effects similar to amphetamine but not so servere such as insomnia, and anxiety. The biggest problem is they raise heart rate and blood pressure and can cause heart attacks and stroke (I avoid them like the plague). These products used to contain phenylpropanolamine until it was found to significantly increase the risk of stroke in women. Here's the last little tid-bit. Pseudo ephedrine is very strictly controlled these days because it is the main ingredient in the synthesis of metamphetamine. Meth is so readily available because so easy to make. They steal or buy products like Lemsip from drug stores, extract the pseudo ephedrine and it's a one step chemical reaction to make meth. It's that easy.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 13:40:18 GMT
Don't know what players can and can't take but I do know some over the counter medicines are banned. Lemsip being one of them, someone could of put something in one sakhos drinks. As for the original post personally find that a load of bollocks all top clubs do their own drug tests as well as the FA led ones. Find it hard to believe so many players will be getting away with it. The testing in football is pretty crap isn't it? That's what I've heard, Bayern, but I don't know for a fact. The Barry Bonds story was blown open by invesigative journalists in San Francisco who were actually doing their job instead of making stuff up. Eventually, it came out this was wide spread in baseball and the investigation spilled over into cycling and caught Lance Amstrong who lived in the Bay Area.
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 24, 2016 15:11:21 GMT
Don't know what players can and can't take but I do know some over the counter medicines are banned. Lemsip being one of them, someone could of put something in one sakhos drinks. As for the original post personally find that a load of bollocks all top clubs do their own drug tests as well as the FA led ones. Find it hard to believe so many players will be getting away with it. It doesnt need whole teams to be at it, but two or three all of a sudden becoming world beaters can make the difference. The club's may not even be involved at all and it's long been known from other sports that the testers are always a step or two behind the cheaters.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Apr 24, 2016 15:44:59 GMT
The testing in football is pretty crap isn't it? That's what I've heard, Bayern, but I don't know for a fact. The Barry Bonds story was blown open by invesigative journalists in San Francisco who were actually doing their job instead of making stuff up. Eventually, it came out this was wide spread in baseball and the investigation spilled over into cycling and caught Lance Amstrong who lived in the Bay Area. Thanks ku for this thread! I am for my sins an engineer and I try as far as possible to look at things logically, not always easy in football. At the moment a team like Stoke has got 17 is it(?) injured players which, with the best will in the world, will affect our team performance. The remainder of our guys that make it onto the pitch seem to play pretty well for 60 mins and then start to run out of steam dramatically. Leicester and Spurs have teams with minimal injuries over the whole season(!) and can run like stink for 90+ mins. On Monday Spurs had players all over the pitch that could burn our players off at will when they needed to score. Also apparently the Spurs subs from Monday that didn't get game time were out on the pitch afterwards doing intense circuit training. Even Swansea the other week seemed more focussed on exercising than huddling together before kick off, both halves. I don't go with the 'luck' argument with regards to injuries. As someone said, even Liverpool under Klopp have moved up a couple of gears recently whist we appear to have selected reverse. There is a marked difference this season. Either we are doing it all wrong compared to others or undetected drug abuse is on the up and up. The game is driven now by worldwide gambling and vast sums of money (we should know); I have my suspicions but no hard evidence to back it up. Like I said, this season makes no logical sense at all, will be interesting to see how Leicester and Spurs get on next season.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 16:02:28 GMT
That's what I've heard, Bayern, but I don't know for a fact. The Barry Bonds story was blown open by invesigative journalists in San Francisco who were actually doing their job instead of making stuff up. Eventually, it came out this was wide spread in baseball and the investigation spilled over into cycling and caught Lance Amstrong who lived in the Bay Area. Thanks ku for this thread! I am for my sins an engineer and I try as far as possible to look at things logically, not always easy in football. At the moment a team like Stoke has got 17 is it(?) injured players which, with the best will in the world, will affect our team performance. The remainder of our guys that make it onto the pitch seem to play pretty well for 60 mins and then start to run out of steam dramatically. Leicester and Spurs have teams with minimal injuries over the whole season(!) and can run like stink for 90+ mins. On Monday Spurs had players all over the pitch that could burn our players off at will when they needed to score. Also apparently the Spurs subs from Monday that didn't get game time were out on the pitch afterwards doing intense circuit training. Even Swansea the other week seemed more focussed on exercising than huddling together before kick off, both halves. I don't go with the 'luck' argument with regards to injuries. As someone said, even Liverpool under Klopp have moved up a couple of gears recently whist we appear to have selected reverse. There is a marked difference this season. Either we are doing it all wrong compared to others or undetected drug abuse is on the up and up. The game is driven now by worldwide gambling and vast sums of money (we should know); I have my suspicions but no hard evidence to back it up. Like I said, this season makes no logical sense at all, will be interesting to see how Leicester and Spurs get on next season. Thanks. The corruption in sport is beyond belief. Anyone who doesn't suspect that something may be going on in football (which is the biggest sport in the world) need only look at other sports like cricket, cycling, track and field, baseball etc for evidence. Of course football is run by people with the highest ethical standards, except it's not The people behind this stuff have way more money than those trying to stop it. They also have a couple of others things going for them, the biggest being the denial by people that could actually put a stop to it. Especially the owners who are awash with cash.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 24, 2016 16:08:42 GMT
Edit: allegations retracted!
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 16:15:40 GMT
Don't know what players can and can't take but I do know some over the counter medicines are banned. Lemsip being one of them, someone could of put something in one sakhos drinks. As for the original post personally find that a load of bollocks all top clubs do their own drug tests as well as the FA led ones. Find it hard to believe so many players will be getting away with it. It doesnt need whole teams to be at it, but two or three all of a sudden becoming world beaters can make the difference. The club's may not even be involved at all and it's long been known from other sports that the testers are always a step or two behind the cheaters. Like Mahrez, Vardy and Kante for example? Surely not!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 17:01:17 GMT
That's what I've heard, Bayern, but I don't know for a fact. The Barry Bonds story was blown open by invesigative journalists in San Francisco who were actually doing their job instead of making stuff up. Eventually, it came out this was wide spread in baseball and the investigation spilled over into cycling and caught Lance Amstrong who lived in the Bay Area. Thanks ku for this thread! I am for my sins an engineer and I try as far as possible to look at things logically, not always easy in football. At the moment a team like Stoke has got 17 is it(?) injured players which, with the best will in the world, will affect our team performance. The remainder of our guys that make it onto the pitch seem to play pretty well for 60 mins and then start to run out of steam dramatically. Leicester and Spurs have teams with minimal injuries over the whole season(!) and can run like stink for 90+ mins. On Monday Spurs had players all over the pitch that could burn our players off at will when they needed to score. Also apparently the Spurs subs from Monday that didn't get game time were out on the pitch afterwards doing intense circuit training. Even Swansea the other week seemed more focussed on exercising than huddling together before kick off, both halves. I don't go with the 'luck' argument with regards to injuries. As someone said, even Liverpool under Klopp have moved up a couple of gears recently whist we appear to have selected reverse. There is a marked difference this season. Either we are doing it all wrong compared to others or undetected drug abuse is on the up and up. The game is driven now by worldwide gambling and vast sums of money (we should know); I have my suspicions but no hard evidence to back it up. Like I said, this season makes no logical sense at all, will be interesting to see how Leicester and Spurs get on next season. Is that tested or untested?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 17:07:51 GMT
Interesting stuff. There is no doubt spain and Barcelona got to the top by abusing this stuff. I have no doubt this is behind leicester doing so well. The Germans got good by cheating too. What a surprise that not long after klopp turns up at Liverpool that one of their players gets caught out. Their new high press style of football is again surely assisted by drug abuse. I'm just watching Leicester's game now and judging by the sheer speed their players break out nearing the end of the game I'm beginning to think there may be some truth in your remarks mate. And now looking back on the Spurs game at home after reading the O P it does make you wonder whether there is something going on that Stoke players know nowt about.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Apr 24, 2016 17:14:46 GMT
Yes, every aggressive outburst in sport is proof that said athlete is on steroids just because steroids are sometimes known to make heavy users angry. Nothing to do with passion or heightened adrenaline or you know, every other normal non drug reason of aggression that results from basic participation in sport. Definitely is because of drugs. Great logic. You're just being very naive. This is a big deal. and you're basing it on fuck all mate. you may know about drugs but unless you've tested these players then regardless of how much of an expert you are,your argument is utterly ludicrous and factless!!! you can't say "I'm an expert on something and someone displays a symptom of it so without checking i'm deciding that because drugs are ONE possible answer then it simply HAS to be drugs and nothing else and if anyone disagrees i'll just say they're naive because patronising people will get them off my back and hopefully no-one will notice my OP is based 100% on speculation, supposition and baseless ideas" how has this thread not been shit binned as yet?? you're making some extremely dangerous accusations on a public message board with zero proof whatsoever!!!! it's possible drugs are in the sport so therefore that now apparently is the same thing as they 100% are? Jamie Vardy MUST be on them because he's quick (which he's always been) and got a bit angry last week???? legally mate you're treading a very dangerous line with your OP
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Post by milky on Apr 24, 2016 17:18:28 GMT
Interesting stuff. There is no doubt spain and Barcelona got to the top by abusing this stuff. I have no doubt this is behind leicester doing so well. The Germans got good by cheating too. What a surprise that not long after klopp turns up at Liverpool that one of their players gets caught out. Their new high press style of football is again surely assisted by drug abuse. I'm just watching Leicester's game now and judging by the sheer speed their players break out nearing the end of the game I'm beginning to think there may be some truth in your remarks mate. And now looking back on the Spurs game at home after reading the O P it does make you wonder whether there is something going on that Stoke players know nowt about. I don't know what I believe to be honest. Could it not be that simply Leicester and Tottenham players are just wanting it more ? I've no idea what training regime those two clubs go through. I don't even know what ours is but Hughes has often suggested the training methods we use mean the team tends to get stronger as the season goes on..though this season seems to be bucking that trend,though I'd suggest injuries have finally just broken us.
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Apr 24, 2016 17:18:56 GMT
Kustokie what was your role in drug research? -statistics -pharmacology -trial coordinating -chemist
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Apr 24, 2016 17:25:22 GMT
You're just being very naive. This is a big deal. and you're basing it on fuck all mate. you may know about drugs but unless you've tested these players then regardless of how much of an expert you are,your argument is utterly ludicrous and factless!!! you can't say "I'm an expert on something and someone displays a symptom of it so without checking i'm deciding that because drugs are ONE possible answer then it simply HAS to be drugs and nothing else and if anyone disagrees i'll just say they're naive because patronising people will get them off my back and hopefully no-one will notice my OP is based 100% on speculation, supposition and baseless ideas" how has this thread not been shit binned as yet?? you're making some extremely dangerous accusations on a public message board with zero proof whatsoever!!!! it's possible drugs are in the sport so therefore that now apparently is the same thing as they 100% are? Jamie Vardy MUST be on them because he's quick (which he's always been) and got a bit angry last week???? legally mate you're treading a very dangerous line with your OP Lance Armstrong either tested positive once or never, depending on which version of the truth you believe. Testing is only as reliable as the people that are implementing it - in cycling the testing was nothing short of laughable but made to look comprehensive to people looking in from the outside. It's not really that hard to do either. You test people a lot, but just make sure the positive test don't get out (or certainly not the positives of the top stars). Most people don't know or care how about the procedures of doping prevention, so you can blind them with big numbers (of athletes tested) and they believe it. That's not to say I think there is lots of doping in the Premiership, just that "they test them" is not a blanket defence.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 17:34:19 GMT
You're just being very naive. This is a big deal. and you're basing it on fuck all mate. you may know about drugs but unless you've tested these players then regardless of how much of an expert you are,your argument is utterly ludicrous and factless!!! you can't say "I'm an expert on something and someone displays a symptom of it so without checking i'm deciding that because drugs are ONE possible answer then it simply HAS to be drugs and nothing else and if anyone disagrees i'll just say they're naive because patronising people will get them off my back and hopefully no-one will notice my OP is based 100% on speculation, supposition and baseless ideas" how has this thread not been shit binned as yet?? you're making some extremely dangerous accusations on a public message board with zero proof whatsoever!!!! it's possible drugs are in the sport so therefore that now apparently is the same thing as they 100% are? Jamie Vardy MUST be on them because he's quick (which he's always been) and got a bit angry last week???? legally mate you're treading a very dangerous line with your OP Actually I haven't accused anyone of anything. I know better. Everything I have written is in the public domain and widely reported in the press. Google it. It's all very interesting reading.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 17:36:03 GMT
Kustokie what was your role in drug research? -statistics -pharmacology -trial coordinating -chemist No comment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 17:39:10 GMT
Kustokie what was your role in drug research? -statistics -pharmacology -trial coordinating -chemist No comment. Ha Ha
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Apr 24, 2016 17:42:08 GMT
Thanks ku for this thread! I am for my sins an engineer and I try as far as possible to look at things logically, not always easy in football. At the moment a team like Stoke has got 17 is it(?) injured players which, with the best will in the world, will affect our team performance. The remainder of our guys that make it onto the pitch seem to play pretty well for 60 mins and then start to run out of steam dramatically. Leicester and Spurs have teams with minimal injuries over the whole season(!) and can run like stink for 90+ mins. On Monday Spurs had players all over the pitch that could burn our players off at will when they needed to score. Also apparently the Spurs subs from Monday that didn't get game time were out on the pitch afterwards doing intense circuit training. Even Swansea the other week seemed more focussed on exercising than huddling together before kick off, both halves. I don't go with the 'luck' argument with regards to injuries. As someone said, even Liverpool under Klopp have moved up a couple of gears recently whist we appear to have selected reverse. There is a marked difference this season. Either we are doing it all wrong compared to others or undetected drug abuse is on the up and up. The game is driven now by worldwide gambling and vast sums of money (we should know); I have my suspicions but no hard evidence to back it up. Like I said, this season makes no logical sense at all, will be interesting to see how Leicester and Spurs get on next season. Is that tested or untested? Sorry, being a bit thick here, don't understand your question/point.
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Apr 24, 2016 17:45:55 GMT
What you are saying about diuretics is rubbish so I just wondered?
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Apr 24, 2016 17:45:57 GMT
I'm just watching Leicester's game now and judging by the sheer speed their players break out nearing the end of the game I'm beginning to think there may be some truth in your remarks mate. And now looking back on the Spurs game at home after reading the O P it does make you wonder whether there is something going on that Stoke players know nowt about. I don't know what I believe to be honest. Could it not be that simply Leicester and Tottenham players are just wanting it more ? I've no idea what training regime those two clubs go through. I don't even know what ours is but Hughes has often suggested the training methods we use mean the team tends to get stronger as the season goes on..though this season seems to be bucking that trend,though I'd suggest injuries have finally just broken us. Me neither milky, but how do you explain the incredible lack of injuries and levels of fitness, when you compare Spurs and Leicester with Stoke? Just put it all down to luck? Or are our fitness coaches/analysts totally incompetent?
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Apr 24, 2016 17:48:04 GMT
What you are saying about diuretics is rubbish so I just wondered? Perhaps you are referring to personal usage;-)
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 24, 2016 18:19:12 GMT
Interesting stuff. There is no doubt spain and Barcelona got to the top by abusing this stuff. I have no doubt this is behind leicester doing so well. The Germans got good by cheating too. What a surprise that not long after klopp turns up at Liverpool that one of their players gets caught out. Their new high press style of football is again surely assisted by drug abuse. I'm just watching Leicester's game now and judging by the sheer speed their players break out nearing the end of the game I'm beginning to think there may be some truth in your remarks mate. And now looking back on the Spurs game at home after reading the O P it does make you wonder whether there is something going on that Stoke players know nowt about. Look at Wes Morgan. For years just a big fat slow unfit useless donkey. Now looking top class. And the Vardy story, from non-league in his mid twenties to being talked about as one of the most dangerous strikers in Europe by the german manager- yes he suddenly just got a lot better in his late twenties, just like a lot of 100m sprinters always seem to
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Post by norman conquest on Apr 24, 2016 18:19:27 GMT
Just viewed 00s of pics of Vardy and not once does he look like this
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 18:31:49 GMT
Is that tested or untested? Sorry, being a bit thick here, don't understand your question/point. Just making reference to your last paragraph "Like I said, this season makes no logical sense at all, will be interesting to see how Leicester and Spurs get on next season". Same question/point applies. Tested or untested.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 18:33:18 GMT
I'm just watching Leicester's game now and judging by the sheer speed their players break out nearing the end of the game I'm beginning to think there may be some truth in your remarks mate. And now looking back on the Spurs game at home after reading the O P it does make you wonder whether there is something going on that Stoke players know nowt about. Look at Wes Morgan. For years just a big fat slow unfit useless donkey. Now looking top class. And the Vardy story, from non-league in his mid twenties to being talked about as one of the most dangerous strikers in Europe by the german manager- yes he suddenly just got a lot better in his late twenties, just like a lot of 100m sprinters always seem to It's food for thought, that's for sure.
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Post by huuuuuth on Apr 24, 2016 18:37:29 GMT
How else do you explain Wes Morgan going from being Wes Morgan to Franco Baresi-esque almost overnight??
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Apr 24, 2016 18:39:40 GMT
Sorry, being a bit thick here, don't understand your question/point. Just making reference to your last paragraph "Like I said, this season makes no logical sense at all, will be interesting to see how Leicester and Spurs get on next season". Same question/point applies. Tested or untested. See your point, hopefully tested to death whatever that means.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 18:57:08 GMT
What you are saying about diuretics is rubbish so I just wondered? Perhaps you are referring to personal usage;-) It is important that everyone be very skeptical of everything i have written because that's how science works. Furthermore, I haven't supported anything with references. So I invite anyone to provide scientific references, not Wiki, that disproves anything I have said. There's a lot of crap on the internet in the medical field, so here's an reliable reference regarding diuretics from the Mayo Clinic, a world-famous medical center: www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-pressure/in-depth/diuretics/art-20048129?pg=2. You will see that they are "generally safe" when used properly, but Page 2 lists the following side effects: - Low or high potassium in the blood (leading to muscle weakness)
- Low sodium in the blood
- Dizziness
- Increased thirst
- Muscle cramps
- Increased blood sugar
- Increased cholesterol
- Rash
- Joint disorders (gout)
- Impotence!!!!
- Gynecomastia (men growing breasts)!!!!
These are the main ones. There are others, if that is not enough.
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