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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 19:06:09 GMT
Google: diuretics and drug testing and you'll get quite an education. I didn't provide a link because I don't wish to imply that I or anyone associated with the production of the Oatcake is condoning this behavior, which is very dangerous and highly illegal. Parents beware: if your kid is involved in any sport that requires them to "make the weight" like boxing or wrestling. I have had three boys wrestle in HS and they tell me use of diuretics before a weigh-in is rampant. After the weigh-in they have to rehydrate in attempt to regain some of their strength which is lost due to electrolyte imbalance. They are also abused by anorexics and bollemics.
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Post by staffsvilla on Apr 24, 2016 19:33:06 GMT
I don't know about performance enhancing drugs but I'm convinced our lot are addicted to sedatives
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Post by bignickhowes on Apr 24, 2016 19:43:28 GMT
I don't know about performance enhancing drugs but I'm convinced our lot are addicted to sedatives I think you are right, was at the game yesterday and they were poor. Although a lot of the fans were awful, booing and swearing at your teams players.. I was ashamed to be a Villa fan yesterday and not because of the players, just the fans.
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Post by LDE76 on Apr 24, 2016 19:48:51 GMT
I don't know about performance enhancing drugs but I'm convinced our lot are addicted to sedatives Probably thought someone had slipped them an LSD tab when they saw that suit of N'Zogbia's, though.
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Apr 24, 2016 19:55:30 GMT
Google: diuretics and drug testing and you'll get quite an education. I didn't provide a link because I don't wish to imply that I or anyone associated with the production of the Oatcake is condoning this behavior, which is very dangerous and highly illegal. Parents beware: if your kid is involved in any sport that requires them to "make the weight" like boxing or wrestling. I have had three boys wrestle in HS and they tell me use of diuretics before a weigh-in is rampant. After the weigh-in they have to rehydrate in attempt to regain some of their strength which is lost due to electrolyte imbalance. They are also abused by anorexics and bollemics. What you are saying there is correct and there have been a number of deaths from dehydration in sport and in particular body building. However some of the science you are stating is incorrect. Let's just say I use diuretics extensively in my work and there are different types with different pharmacological/physiological effects. Just take care in posting "fact" based on experience and assumption. That's why I asked what your scientific background is.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 20:31:38 GMT
Google: diuretics and drug testing and you'll get quite an education. I didn't provide a link because I don't wish to imply that I or anyone associated with the production of the Oatcake is condoning this behavior, which is very dangerous and highly illegal. Parents beware: if your kid is involved in any sport that requires them to "make the weight" like boxing or wrestling. I have had three boys wrestle in HS and they tell me use of diuretics before a weigh-in is rampant. After the weigh-in they have to rehydrate in attempt to regain some of their strength which is lost due to electrolyte imbalance. They are also abused by anorexics and bollemics. What you are saying there is correct and there have been a number of deaths from dehydration in sport and in particular body building. However some of the science you are stating is incorrect. Let's just say I use diuretics extensively in my work and there are different types with different pharmacological/physiological effects. Just take care in posting "fact" based on experience and assumption. That's why I asked what your scientific background is. Check your messages.
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Post by petershiltonsmini on Apr 24, 2016 20:37:02 GMT
I have and replied:-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 21:31:59 GMT
I got moaned at for taking Beta Blockers when I was playing Pool at amateur level admittedly I occasionally played against top class players in cup competitions etc and at the time the Snooker scandal was on.
The point is this I need the beta blockers to stay alive basically, but despite being an unknown amateur it was picked up on so how professional sports players get away with it is beyond me.
One look at some of the players this season is enough for me , some of their eyes are popping out of their heads.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 21:49:56 GMT
I got moaned at for taking Beta Blockers when I was playing Pool at amateur level admittedly I occasionally played against top class players in cup competitions etc and at the time the Snooker scandal was on. The point is this I need the beta blockers to stay alive basically, but despite being an unknown amateur it was picked up on so how professional sports players get away with it is beyond me. One look at some of the players this season is enough for me , some of their eyes are popping out of their heads. Beta blockers are banned in many sports (especially things like target shooting) because they slow the heart and can reduce shaking and anxiety. So abuse of drugs like propranolol in snooker is logical. Others might want to comment on this because this is literally the extent of my knowledge on this subject.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 24, 2016 21:51:51 GMT
Athletes and cyclists etc take PEDs to win and to make money. The rewards in those sports are relativley small.
I think it is very naive to think that there isn't a sizeable drug problem in a sport with rewards as big as those in football.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 24, 2016 22:12:11 GMT
Isn't it an open secret that a certain successful team's achievements count for nothing because, asides from being a bunch of diving cheats, they were pumped full of stuff at the time?
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Post by LDE76 on Apr 24, 2016 22:16:28 GMT
Isn't it an open secret that a certain successful team's achievements count for nothing because, asides from being a bunch of diving cheats, they were pumped full of stuff at the time? "Who'd have thought, ten years ago, that we'd have been playing Stoke City at all, let alone five times in one season? It's a sign of almost ten years of continual success. Magnificent." Hmmmmmmmmmm...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 23:08:17 GMT
Athletes and cyclists etc take PEDs to win and to make money. The rewards in those sports are relativley small. I think it is very naive to think that there isn't a sizeable drug problem in a sport with rewards as big as those in football. Top professional cyclists will earn between 2.5 and 3 million pounds a year.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 23:19:55 GMT
Athletes and cyclists etc take PEDs to win and to make money. The rewards in those sports are relativley small. I think it is very naive to think that there isn't a sizeable drug problem in a sport with rewards as big as those in football. Top professional cyclists will earn between 2.5 and 3 million pounds a year. Sponsors get a great return on their investments. They don't give boatloads of money away out of the goodness of their hearts. One positive outcome of this is they will drop an athlete, a team or an event in a heartbeat if there's a suspicion of wrong doing especially doping because it taints their reputation.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 24, 2016 23:22:52 GMT
Athletes and cyclists etc take PEDs to win and to make money. The rewards in those sports are relativley small. I think it is very naive to think that there isn't a sizeable drug problem in a sport with rewards as big as those in football. Top professional cyclists will earn between 2.5 and 3 million pounds a year. At his peak Lance Armstrong's net worth was around $125 million. After he was exposed he estimated it would cost him around $75 million in endorsements. He is still worth around $50 million.
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Post by onionman on Apr 24, 2016 23:47:13 GMT
Isn't it an open secret that a certain successful team's achievements count for nothing because, asides from being a bunch of diving cheats, they were pumped full of stuff at the time? "Who'd have thought, ten years ago, that we'd have been playing Stoke City at all, let alone five times in one season? It's a sign of almost ten years of continual success. Magnificent." Hmmmmmmmmmm... Eerily similar eye-bulging goal celebrations:
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 24, 2016 23:55:50 GMT
If any Stoke players are taking them,they should sue.
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Post by shinosbro on Apr 25, 2016 0:53:45 GMT
soccer's history of dopinghave a wee read. cycling and athletics show the authorities will turn a blind eye for as long as humanly possible. and the rewards in soccer are that much higher (monetarily) there is much more for them to lose if they actually addressed the problem.
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Post by shinosbro on Apr 25, 2016 1:03:58 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 25, 2016 1:06:23 GMT
It was only recently a certain pundit commented on the physical make up / stature of Vardy in particular, describing him as similar to a wild cat, insomuch the leanness, lack of bulk and muscle, just pace. Obviously the guy can finish as well but.... but he looked like that when I used to see him play at Stocksbridge in the Evo-Stik 6 years ago....so what drugs do you think he was on then???
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Post by kustokie on Apr 25, 2016 3:09:07 GMT
It was only recently a certain pundit commented on the physical make up / stature of Vardy in particular, describing him as similar to a wild cat, insomuch the leanness, lack of bulk and muscle, just pace. Obviously the guy can finish as well but.... but he looked like that when I used to see him play at Stocksbridge in the Evo-Stik 6 years ago....so what drugs do you think he was on then??? Was he any good then?
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Post by kustokie on Apr 25, 2016 3:36:31 GMT
Good article on the subject in this morning's Daily Mail (I know, I know).
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 25, 2016 7:44:20 GMT
Athletes and cyclists etc take PEDs to win and to make money. The rewards in those sports are relativley small. I think it is very naive to think that there isn't a sizeable drug problem in a sport with rewards as big as those in football. Top professional cyclists will earn between 2.5 and 3 million pounds a year. Average Premiership football players earn similar sums.
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Post by staffsvilla on Apr 25, 2016 8:18:17 GMT
I don't know about performance enhancing drugs but I'm convinced our lot are addicted to sedatives I think you are right, was at the game yesterday and they were poor. Although a lot of the fans were awful, booing and swearing at your teams players.. I was ashamed to be a Villa fan yesterday and not because of the players, just the fans. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree here Nick, I will never be ashamed to be a Villa fan and certainly never because of the fans, given the crap that has been dished up over the last 4 yrs particularly at Villa Park I think our support has been outstanding in numbers and passion, the relationship between players and fans has gone down the pan for a number of reasons but just to use one example, when people struggle to afford to go to the match due to expense the very least they expect is for players to put in 100% and this season that clearly is not the case and when players give interviews (Lescott) and go on social media (Lescott again,Bacuna, Richards) and come out with rubbish and disrespectful comments how do they expect the fans to react ? It is never nice to hear your team heckled and booed before a ball is kicked but this bunch of wasters deserve every bit of abuse they are getting and some ! UTV PS, and I didn't even get to start about Flabby
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 8:20:30 GMT
Vardy is on something....
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 25, 2016 9:07:23 GMT
With the amount of press coverage drugs in football is getting at the moment and how everyone is tiptoeing around who might be involved, it definitely makes you think certain people in the press know more than they dare let on.
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Post by kustokie on Apr 25, 2016 12:16:11 GMT
With the amount of press coverage drugs in football is getting at the moment and how everyone is tiptoeing around who might be involved, it definitely makes you think certain people in the press know more than they dare let on. If the Lance Armstrong story is followed, there were rumors and denials for quite a while. It was busted wide open when a disgruntled team mate blew the whistle. That's probably how this will play out.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Apr 25, 2016 12:22:48 GMT
Vardy's eyes and manner say it all for me plus the likes of Morgan are suddenly world beaters? Come on........
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 25, 2016 12:27:01 GMT
Vardy's eyes and manner say it all for me plus the likes of Morgan are suddenly world beaters? Come on........ Morgan has always been a good defender and now he has a decent partner besides him it shows. Its a absolute insult how people are even questioning Leicester. The difference with Leicester and spurs is simple really, teamwork. There players would run through brick walls for each other, and they both do the basics well. Wish we had team spirit like either Leicester or spurs. Its amazing how much playing together well as a team counts for the "lack" or quality or skill. Look all through history there is teams who have won things through working well as a team. One which sticks in my mind is Greece winning the Euros.
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Post by jezzascfc on Apr 25, 2016 12:54:20 GMT
One thing is certain - there are plenty of drug takers in football, as there are in virtually every other sport with big money rewards. It is a huge leap to say that, because Leicester and Spurs are doing well, they are on PEDs.
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