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Post by theteacher on Mar 12, 2016 19:47:44 GMT
At some point in time you have to allow a player to play after an injury. Then there is always the risk of a relapse - could have been today, could have been the first game back at the start of next season - training or U21 games are not the same as first team football.
You just have to trust the medical staff and the player to make such a decision. Could be that Ryan is just tired after his first game back, could be that he has come back a little early or it could be that his back will remain a problem for the rest of his career? We just don't know but what we do know is that when fully fit he is one hell of a player and we all hope he is back 100% fit in the not to distant future.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 12, 2016 19:57:44 GMT
Are you saying the specialist said that he is fucked, and don't play him? I was trying to be funny! so serious I know Bayern,but the inference is that they played Shawcross against the advice of a consultant, and that just wouldn't happen.
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Post by armitagestokie on Mar 12, 2016 20:04:18 GMT
Really big mistake by gaffer....4 games unbeaten, should have won at Chelsea and he changes a winning team. he needs to see that Diouf is not the answer, what's wrong with Josulu and why leave Bojan from starting 11? I rather sub him later as he sparks our foreign players into action.....and Imbulla learn 'he's behind you!'
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Post by werrington on Mar 12, 2016 20:04:24 GMT
I had absolutely no idea this mb was full of orthopaedic consultants
I doff my cap to you all
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 20:05:49 GMT
I had absolutely no idea this mb was full of orthopaedic consultants I doff my cap to you all He should have had an op last summer wezza, I'm basing that on literally nothing other than the wisdom of hindsight....
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Post by chopperscfc on Mar 12, 2016 20:06:34 GMT
He should never have played
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 12, 2016 20:08:44 GMT
In hindsight, if we had won,kept a clean sheet and Ryan had come through without a reaction? Of course it's hindsight but why was Hughes saying that he might be forced to use him in his pre match presser as if to be hinting that he didn't really want to? Why use that language if everything was 100% ok? He also said that he would not play Ryan, until Ryan felt ready.He saw a specialist who obviously gave the okay. The inference by some on here is that he played against the advice of a specialist, who he flew over to Germany to see.Why would you take the time and expense to do that,and then ignore the advice given? How was he forced?He could have played the same team that played Chelsea.
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Post by werrington on Mar 12, 2016 20:08:46 GMT
I had absolutely no idea this mb was full of orthopaedic consultants I doff my cap to you all He should have had an op last summer wezza, I'm basing that on literally nothing other than the wisdom of hindsight.... Perhaps he didn't want an op mate ? Perhaps the medical specialists know a lot more than the fan on the terraces about his condition
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Post by werrington on Mar 12, 2016 20:09:34 GMT
He should never have played Why?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 20:10:22 GMT
He should have had an op last summer wezza, I'm basing that on literally nothing other than the wisdom of hindsight.... Perhaps he didn't want an op mate ? Perhaps the medical specialists know a lot more than the fan on the terraces about his condition I agree, it was my poor attempt at sarcasm
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Post by chopperscfc on Mar 12, 2016 20:11:26 GMT
He should never have played Why? Risking him another injury,Ryan being Ryan would've played if his legs were on fire. He needs rest surely? He's only had 8 weeks out.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Mar 12, 2016 20:12:59 GMT
My back would be hurting after carrying the rest of our defence for the last 2 years an all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 20:15:31 GMT
Of course it's hindsight but why was Hughes saying that he might be forced to use him in his pre match presser as if to be hinting that he didn't really want to? Why use that language if everything was 100% ok? He also said that he would not play Ryan, until Ryan felt ready.He saw a specialist who obviously gave the okay. The inference by some on here is that he played against the advice of a specialist, who he flew over to Germany to see.Why would you take the time and expense to do that,and then ignore the advice given? How was he forced?He could have played the same team that played Chelsea. I'm quoting Hughes mate, who said he might be forced to play him. Hindsight or not it doesn't matter. Shawcross left the pitch holding his back. End of story.
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Post by march4 on Mar 12, 2016 20:22:25 GMT
I'm puzzled by the use of the German specialist.
What was his purpose?
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 12, 2016 20:29:36 GMT
He also said that he would not play Ryan, until Ryan felt ready.He saw a specialist who obviously gave the okay. The inference by some on here is that he played against the advice of a specialist, who he flew over to Germany to see.Why would you take the time and expense to do that,and then ignore the advice given? How was he forced?He could have played the same team that played Chelsea. I'm quoting Hughes mate, who said he might be forced to play him. Hindsight or not it doesn't matter. Shawcross left the pitch holding his back. End of story. Hindsight does matter, because we can all be wise after the event. Hindsight is a very exact science.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 20:42:23 GMT
I'm quoting Hughes mate, who said he might be forced to play him. Hindsight or not it doesn't matter. Shawcross left the pitch holding his back. End of story. Hindsight does matter, because we can all be wise after the event. Hindsight is a very exact science. What I'm saying is hindsight won't change what has happened. We can use it on here to form an argument or we can use it to try and discount someone else's. The lad has been rushed back and looks like he is injured again.
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Post by pottersrule on Mar 12, 2016 20:49:17 GMT
Hindsight does matter, because we can all be wise after the event. Hindsight is a very exact science. What I'm saying is hindsight won't change what has happened. We can use it on here to form an argument or we can use it to try and discount someone else's. The lad has been rushed back and looks like he is injured again. The point I am trying to make is that he hasn't been rushed back.
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Post by kernowpaul on Mar 12, 2016 20:50:10 GMT
He was no where near fit save him for next season
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 23:31:17 GMT
Why change a winning side which winning side was this?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 23:48:33 GMT
Perhaps the medical specialists know a lot more than the fan on the terraces about his condition Impossible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 23:49:46 GMT
I'm puzzled by the use of the German specialist. What was his purpose? Specialising in back injuries and recovery, at a guess.
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Post by kustokie on Mar 12, 2016 23:50:51 GMT
My back would be hurting after carrying the rest of our defence for the last 2 years an all. Tin hat. In the previous four games, without anyone "carrying the rest of our defense", our record was 3-1-0 7- 2310. I am not saying that Shawcross was the reason we lost today, because he played quite well. However, some people are not giving Wolly, Muniesa, Pieters, and Cameron enough credit for what was accomplished in the previous four games. Edit: Sorry miscounted
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 12, 2016 23:58:48 GMT
I'm puzzled by the use of the German specialist. What was his purpose? I aren't sure but I assume he is a specialist in treating back injuries. Just a hunch like
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Mar 13, 2016 0:18:51 GMT
What I'm saying is hindsight won't change what has happened. We can use it on here to form an argument or we can use it to try and discount someone else's. The lad has been rushed back and looks like he is injured again. The point I am trying to make is that he hasn't been rushed back. I'm not so sure. He was so far off it he looked passed at times. Mental to play him from the off with Muni on the bench whose at the very least played the last few. Then again I fear Ryan's injury is way more severe than is being let on - just a hunch and hopefully incorrect. One thing is certain, we need a top quality centre half in the summer for sure. Sent from my SM-G928F using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 1:13:41 GMT
Love the guy to bits, but it is fair to say we managed last 3 games without him, totally unnecessary risk to take IMHO
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Post by mumf on Mar 13, 2016 1:28:30 GMT
I'm no medical expert but what I have seen so far is a major worry . If rest is the only answer then let's allow him to heal but. I'm not convinced that we are assured of him making a full or even partial recovery . I think we have a good team of medical professionals on hand , but this in itself does not guarantee a full recovery . I think a full reassessment of his injury is needed and further examination required . I would write him off for the season and explore different avenues of medical expertise . The signs don't look good at all imho . I'm pretty pessimistic on his chances right now ....
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Mar 13, 2016 1:32:21 GMT
I think his career will take a different path now unfortunately.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 13, 2016 1:39:30 GMT
I was trying to be funny! so serious I know Bayern,but the inference is that they played Shawcross against the advice of a consultant, and that just wouldn't happen. Why is it? I have no idea what was said but I have been told what the problem is. Just seems like a risk if what I was told is correct.
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 13, 2016 5:48:57 GMT
Why change a winning side which winning side was this? I'm sure we won the last three out of four and drew one
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 13, 2016 5:55:59 GMT
If we had lost without him people would say he should have played.
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