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Post by stokiesteve on Nov 1, 2015 8:14:29 GMT
Foreign players.
It does take a while for them to bed in and in some cases its a huge gamble.
You could argue that all our summer signings have yet to impress and we are relying on players who have been at the club for a while so far this season as the new players have contributed little in my view.
Thank goodness Ryan's back, along with Butland we have a solid combination there and we are starting to concede less and keep clean sheets.
Arnie, Diouf and SJW are our main threat still going forward and even Bojan is misfiring a little but Glen remains a rock for us.
Don't read me wrong I am not here to shout up for Pulis his time came and went and I love watching us now it's not about that, but bringing in foreign players into our climate and culture and expecting them to get on with it may not be the best option as a complete transfer policy I think we need tried and tested players from these islands in order to maintain a little bit of steel in the side. It was thanks to Butland we managed to secure a point yesterday and again I didn't see much from our new players, some of who I am very disappointed with so far if I am honest and I can only imagine it is because they aren't settling in as we know they are talented individuals.
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Post by MrMagic on Nov 1, 2015 8:19:43 GMT
Yes , it's clearly much better to bring in players from Sunderland and Portsmouth reserves who can hit the ground running.
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Post by RAF on Nov 1, 2015 8:19:24 GMT
Fucking hell thank christ for TP and that insight. I don't suppose anyone had ever identified this problem before him had they?
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Post by stokiesteve on Nov 1, 2015 8:54:29 GMT
It's not about TP
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Post by redandwhitetundra on Nov 1, 2015 8:59:08 GMT
Sorry.
We were conceding less goals before Shawcross came back... Yes it's good to see him back, but are you basing our 'stronger defensive' analysis off the back of the Newcastle game alone??
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Post by RAF on Nov 1, 2015 9:02:17 GMT
Yet you start a thread with 'Tone was right about this '. If its not about him why mention him at all? H |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 1, 2015 9:02:38 GMT
I guess one of the reasons they are often cheaper than their English equivalents is that it is a bit of a gamble in case they can't adjust to the pace of the game here , all about getting a balance . I don't know why we never look at our own lower league players anymore some can come through Vardy Wilson Ritchie if given a chance and some games . I don't mind foreign players if they are better quality but there are too many mediocre ones here now taking big wages
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Post by stokiesteve on Nov 1, 2015 9:17:34 GMT
Yet you start a thread with 'Tone was right about this '. If its not about him why mention him at all? H It's been said before but Tone is the only person I could think of who said it recently and he is in context with our club and its transfer policy recently. Maybe mentioning him was a bad idea because clearly people are still a bit obsessed with him either positively or negatively. |
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Post by blackpoolred on Nov 1, 2015 9:18:46 GMT
Foreign players. It does take a while for them to bed in and in some cases its a huge gamble. You could argue that all our summer signings have yet to impress and we are relying on players who have been at the club for a while so far this season as the new players have contributed little in my view. Thank goodness Ryan's back, along with Butland we have a solid combination there and we are starting to concede less and keep clean sheets. Arnie, Diouf and SJW are our main threat still going forward and even Bojan is misfiring a little but Glen remains a rock for us. Don't read me wrong I am not here to shout up for Pulis his time came and went and I love watching us now it's not about that, but bringing in foreign players into our climate and culture and expecting them to get on with it may not be the best option as a complete transfer policy I think we need tried and tested players from these islands in order to maintain a little bit of steel in the side. It was thanks to Butland we managed to secure a point yesterday and again I didn't see much from our new players, some of who I am very disappointed with so far if I am honest and I can only imagine it is because they aren't settling in as we know they are talented individuals. Whelan took a while to shine too. I dont think it matters what land you come from, but more to do with the individual. None of our summer signings, in my opinion, have improved the side though - like you say. To a degree, for me, Hughes has to try and prove he can build a new side by himself. Whereas Pulis picked his players based on character, Hughes will always go for talent and skill, even if they lack character and dont want to play for us. Character is making Pulis sides unrelegatable, but he struggles to entertain and take his side to the next level, wheras as Hughes sides are more purist and pleasing on the eye, but when he gets it wrong it could potentially be a disaster, if he can get it right then we could potentially hit the heights of the 70's. We lost 3 talented players from our squad this summer and apart from our goalkeeper the others have not been anywhere near replaced. He has to try and fight to keep his best players, he should no pursue characters that dont want to play for us and he needs to prove he can buy players with a bit of bite and determination and a natural born leader, his purchases are normally decent footballers, but all a bit passive and this spills through to the terraces. It was a very poor window for us and a poor pre-season too and the side lacks a bit of direction. I am not sure where Hughes is going with the current squad and we desperately need some grit and quality down the spine of our side. We ended the season with such optimism and, for me, were not far off a regular top half team, but this season we have gone backwards - which is frustrating more than anything else |
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Post by harryburrows on Nov 1, 2015 9:33:33 GMT
I guess he's referring to his own piss poor record of overseas recruitment .
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Post by Fred Merger on Nov 1, 2015 9:41:35 GMT
Hasn't he just spent 12 mill on a south American striker?
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Post by stokiesteve on Nov 1, 2015 9:42:32 GMT
FFS
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 1, 2015 9:51:05 GMT
Sorry. We were conceding less goals before Shawcross came back... Yes it's good to see him back, but are you basing our 'stronger defensive' analysis off the back of the Newcastle game alone?? Shawcrosse has played 2 games and we have conceded just one. Better before he came back?  |
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Post by BristolMick on Nov 1, 2015 9:51:04 GMT
Yet you start a thread with 'Tone was right about this '. If its not about him why mention him at all? H Maybe he just wanted to start a 30 page thread? BM |
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Post by stokiesteve on Nov 1, 2015 9:59:39 GMT
Yet you start a thread with 'Tone was right about this '. If its not about him why mention him at all? H Maybe he just wanted to start a 30 page thread? BM No!! Honestly No!! Lesson learned and digested fully. |
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Post by Linx on Nov 1, 2015 10:00:28 GMT
Martial, Van Nistelroy, Suarez and Aguero are but a few of the foreign legionnaires who took ages to settle.
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Post by rawli on Nov 1, 2015 10:03:25 GMT
What were Tony's thoughts on the shitting habits of bears?
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 1, 2015 10:13:59 GMT
"He said it, he said it - stone him........"
"but all I said was this piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah"
"There, he said it again stone him"
"Oh Jehovah, Jehovah , Jehovah"
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Post by dadofsam on Nov 1, 2015 10:23:32 GMT
Yep he wanted players who could "hit the ground running", that's all he wanted; "running".
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Nov 2, 2015 14:30:27 GMT
Could always spend £8m on James Chester and leave him on the bench.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 2, 2015 16:10:19 GMT
Could always spend £8m on James Chester and leave him on the bench. He could have spent £8 million on a foreign player who was fucked, but he would never waste the chairman's money in that manner  |
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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 2, 2015 16:15:26 GMT
Perhaps if he had got in the Australian he wanted - Jedinak - we might have had some points on the board ??
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 2, 2015 16:18:01 GMT
Foreign players. It does take a while for them to bed in and in some cases its a huge gamble. You could argue that all our summer signings have yet to impress and we are relying on players who have been at the club for a while so far this season as the new players have contributed little in my view. Thank goodness Ryan's back, along with Butland we have a solid combination there and we are starting to concede less and keep clean sheets. Arnie, Diouf and SJW are our main threat still going forward and even Bojan is misfiring a little but Glen remains a rock for us. Don't read me wrong I am not here to shout up for Pulis his time came and went and I love watching us now it's not about that, but bringing in foreign players into our climate and culture and expecting them to get on with it may not be the best option as a complete transfer policy I think we need tried and tested players from these islands in order to maintain a little bit of steel in the side. It was thanks to Butland we managed to secure a point yesterday and again I didn't see much from our new players, some of who I am very disappointed with so far if I am honest and I can only imagine it is because they aren't settling in as we know they are talented individuals. Whelan took a while to shine too. I dont think it matters what land you come from, but more to do with the individual. None of our summer signings, in my opinion, have improved the side though - like you say. To a degree, for me, Hughes has to try and prove he can build a new side by himself. Whereas Pulis picked his players based on character, Hughes will always go for talent and skill, even if they lack character and dont want to play for us. Character is making Pulis sides unrelegatable, but he struggles to entertain and take his side to the next level, wheras as Hughes sides are more purist and pleasing on the eye, but when he gets it wrong it could potentially be a disaster, if he can get it right then we could potentially hit the heights of the 70's. We lost 3 talented players from our squad this summer and apart from our goalkeeper the others have not been anywhere near replaced. He has to try and fight to keep his best players, he should no pursue characters that dont want to play for us and he needs to prove he can buy players with a bit of bite and determination and a natural born leader, his purchases are normally decent footballers, but all a bit passive and this spills through to the terraces. It was a very poor window for us and a poor pre-season too and the side lacks a bit of direction. I am not sure where Hughes is going with the current squad and we desperately need some grit and quality down the spine of our side. We ended the season with such optimism and, for me, were not far off a regular top half team, but this season we have gone backwards - which is frustrating more than anything else Far to many unknown quantities signed in the transfer windows, losing Zonz and not replacing him with a player of similar or better quality was a major mistake, did we a need a player like Joselu ? Affelay looks past his best, VG not shown any of the promise he supposedly has in his locker all in all a risky strategy. |
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Post by redstriper on Nov 2, 2015 16:18:28 GMT
Watford had only two players in their team plus bench who had british surnames against us (One was Ben Watson who was the best player on the park on the day), I don't think that's a good thing.
I think football, (and the country as a whole) has allowed too much migration.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 2, 2015 16:38:43 GMT
Agree with Tony, let's sign Danny Collins.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 2, 2015 17:06:03 GMT
Watford had only two players in their team plus bench who had british surnames against us (One was Ben Watson who was the best player on the park on the day), I don't think that's a good thing. It was a good thing for them though wasn't it. |
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Post by luciani on Nov 2, 2015 17:38:12 GMT
Sorry. We were conceding less goals before Shawcross came back... Yes it's good to see him back, but are you basing our 'stronger defensive' analysis off the back of the Newcastle game alone?? Shawcrosse has played 2 games and we have conceded just one. Better before he came back? Maybe he's counting the Chelsea penalties. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 2, 2015 17:44:05 GMT
Sorry. We were conceding less goals before Shawcross came back... Yes it's good to see him back, but are you basing our 'stronger defensive' analysis off the back of the Newcastle game alone?? You've lost me here. We conceded two goals against Watford and have conceded one in the two following games that Shawcross has figured in. More importantly, Ryan's presence and influence have shone out like a beacon in these two games. You're going to have to explain this one to me. |
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Post by foster on Nov 2, 2015 17:44:30 GMT
How the fuck is this thread about Tone?
Are people now plucking any common sense statement out of the air and attributing it to him like he was the first person ever in the history of mankind to say it.
FFS.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 2, 2015 18:49:02 GMT
In terms of Hughes' recruitment policy I reckon he's maintained a good balance of Premiership experience and British, {Given, Sidwell, Johnson, Ireland, Bardsley} and a few riskier 'unknown' quantities.
We should also recognise the mix at the U21 level recruitment with the lads from Everton, Blackpool, {Waring, Telford, Waddington}, and those from abroad {Molina, Verlinden, Moha etc}.
I think so far on the whole Stoke's experience in the foreign market has been positive:
Pieters hit the ground running, for me Arnautovic even when patchy is the finest of finds, Bojan didn't take long to adjust, shame about the injury. I reckon' Wollscheid has pretty much been good and getting better since his first game.
I had a moment of nerves during the summer when I realized how many we'd signed, but I can now see the validity of all the signings for the good of the squad.
Joselu was chucked in because of Diouf/Walters/Crouch/Odemwingie not being fit etc enough. He was ok and showed some glimpses of good stuff, but in the games he's featured he's been short on supply, not he's squandered a shed load of sitters. Hopefully we can get a run for Diouf, Joselu can start to feature off the bench and then in the FA Cup maybe.
I still find the Shaqiri signing a bit mind blowing, love his attitude, insisting on travelling to Luton. I think he's massively improved our venom from set pieces/corners which is good. His dribbling at the weekend was brill in flashes, he's on an upward trajectory.
I feel the same about Afellay, quality. I hope his WBA run in has been a learning curve. Tidy on the ball, economical with it and can do some recycling a bit N'Zonzi shaped. I rate him already.
I also thought Van Ginkel was improving game by game, hardly hitting the ground running, but getting better, he'd had a good couple of chances which showed he was already getting into dangerous areas. Has he been sent to bulk up? was it planned that with so many games against Chelsea together it was better to use him sparingly? Certainly not worth writing off yet, or reading too much into it. He's only had a handful of games. He looks like an athlete, got some grit and he seems keen. And the Charlie plan is working, though it will always require back up {for suspensions, or avoiding suspensions and such.}
There is still room for improvement obviously we won't stand still, and even though there were other targets I'm happy that we didn't bring any more in, there's enough new talent to see bed in. The received wisdom seems to be that any more than three signings for the first XI tends to be avoided.
Wouldn't be surprized if we tickle Jedinek again at xmas, and I still wouldn't be shocked to see Agudelo back in the frame in the future!
They seem to be prepared to be patient tracking a target.
Think next year will see pretty big changes with the potential of any of Walters/Crouch/Wilson/Bardsley/Odemwingie/Sidwell/Ireland moving on and unfortunately perhaps one or two 'stars' being plucked too.
We're moving into a phase where it's no longer natural wastage/injury/old age that sees us losing players, we'll have to start to learn to live with being cherry picked.
A long winded way of saying I'm happy with the balance of the squad, and think our recent foreign contingent have adjusted better than we could have expected.
And getting better.
We are an exception.
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