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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 5, 2016 22:17:18 GMT
If a performance is utterly shit then people will say so. You can lose, but not be shit. Tonight though, we were shit. Shit like we haven't been for a very long time. Perhaps I don't have to look at other forums! This is clearly an embarrassing comment from someone who begins to imagine he is a Stoke fan and he believes he can wield the "shit" word like confetti . I saw a game where we were initially out played by a team who were organised very well tactically. I felt very disappointed. Liverpool's excellent play made five or six of our players ineffectual. I saw a response from Hughes who altered his tactics and used bold substitutions. Hughes played many players forward and the defence backed them up very well. Very sad we lost but we are not out of the cup by any means. Can we go to Liverpool and win? Well I believe we can because I believe in my team. I am a fan! It is simple really. You do not have to come to games if you think Stoke and its players are so bad! I don't think Stoke and its players are so bad. Tonight though was inexcusable. I sat through the holocaust season. I know what bad is. But even then, in those dark days, it was actually a lack of skill that did it. The players mostly did try back then, they were just utterly outclassed. Tonight though, we didn't try, and for that the team deserves every bit of abuse it gets. Lose, by all means. No shame in that. But at least try.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2016 22:17:20 GMT
Perhaps I don't have to look at other forums! This is clearly an embarrassing comment from someone who begins to imagine he is a Stoke fan and he believes he can wield the "shit" word like confetti . I saw a game where we were initially out played by a team who were organised very well tactically. I felt very disappointed. Liverpool's excellent play made five or six of our players ineffectual. I saw a response from Hughes who altered his tactics and used bold substitutions. Hughes played many players forward and the defence backed them up very well. Very sad we lost but we are not out of the cup by any means. Can we go to Liverpool and win? Well I believe we can because I believe in my team. I am a fan! It is simple really. You do not have to come to games if you think Stoke and its players are so bad! Sense spoken.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 5, 2016 22:17:26 GMT
No chance of getting through now. Our best chance was something like a 2-0 win tonight against a team missing several of their better players and who picked up several injuries during the game and we still lost.
Sorry to be a downer about it but we're well and truly fucked.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 5, 2016 22:17:29 GMT
Really think Bojan needs a rest now. Joselu impresses me with his skills, is also stronger and a million times better in the air. Bojan has looked tired and weak in the two last games and needs a rest. Apart from this I must say we were very disappointing tonight, and I can hardly remember any first halves where we have looked worse. We improved a lot in the second half, but still some of our players made a lot of silly mistakes. We must also remember that Lpool started with 6-7 players who wouldn't have been in their strongest 11!
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Post by bigsmokingdev on Jan 5, 2016 22:18:08 GMT
Johnson man of the match quality signing.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 5, 2016 22:18:53 GMT
Do you not think that was because they closed down the midfield to prevent the CH's from playing it out? Our centre halves are the least of our worries...ball playing or not. No There front 4 put our back 4 under pressure. That left 2 midfielders to our 3 (Whelan, Affelay and Cameron). Our centre halfs can't pick a pass though so it ended up getting lumped forward. Everyone knows Klopps teams press. We just turn up and hope they won't. I think our centre half's can pick a pass. Some of ryans passing, especially long range, was quality...The centre halves ate not an issue.....its the static movement at times that worries. Fair play to lpool tonight...better side won..their pressing game worked a number on us tonight. I'm thankful we are still in the tie.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 5, 2016 22:18:58 GMT
As I said before This game and the Anfield game have always bees games we didn't need but as we have them we need to heed the lessons for the critical premier league games ahead.
1 Not using the squad plainly doesn't work others use squads for a reason and have done for years the likes of Adam , Walters , Joselu , Wilson need to start some games to add energy just so blatantly missing tonight when bojan's first touch deserts him that's fatigue . 2 club need to come out and clear the Diouf situation and invest in a forward If it's not going away this season 3 Most importantly we are totally incapable of playing against a organised defence that get ahead , we only Win games at home by taking. The lead and forcing teams out we need to find another way and utilise the squad the false 9 is a tactical Weapon not a one size fits all solution. 4 we do need to Invest in this squad to progress we can beat anyone but have just lost to badly wounded WBA and Liverpool teams without their Main players and we had all of ours that's not next level form Result for me imaterial , I agree we aren't out of it , but more importantly need to take the lessons into the critical Norwich and Arsenal games the results of those will set the tone of our second half not tonight's .
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Post by onyourbonce on Jan 5, 2016 22:19:15 GMT
1-0 down, not game over. This Stoke side has got the quality and the fight to turn this around. We won't always play as we did against the Manchester clubs at home, yes it came at a bad time in a cup semi but that's football. Lots of things were wrong tonight but we have another game to put it right!
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 5, 2016 22:19:48 GMT
No chance of getting through now. Our best chance was something like a 2-0 win tonight against a team missing several of their better players and who picked up several injuries during the game and we still lost. Sorry to be a downer about it but we're well and truly fucked. I agree. Fucked is what we are, although only for this cup tie. We aren't suddenly a shit team.
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Post by redstriper on Jan 5, 2016 22:19:50 GMT
we were poor in the first half but they put all heir energy into closing us down...they were out on their feet towards the end and weve missed a chance
disappointing yes, but dog shite ?... grow up
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Post by oatcakesteve on Jan 5, 2016 22:20:21 GMT
Sorry to say, but I reckon Hughes is mostly responsible due to his "don't lose the tie here" that someone said (If that is true it's fucking wank management), well it was most probably lost here. Why the fuck don't we go for it for once, roll the fucking dice? No, can't do that.
We got off to a God awful start, which improved a bit, but was still shit, and we conceded. Second half saw an improvement, and they started time wasting, embarrassing for them. Still not enough, I don't know what was up with Bojan, but he was wank. Terrible stuff really.
I'm as optimistic as the next person, but if you think we are going to turn Liverpool over 2-0 at Anfield, then you're deluded. I'd love anyone on this forum to shove this in my face after the second leg, but it won't happen.
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Post by silverdollar on Jan 5, 2016 22:20:45 GMT
Ooh a tantrum. In defeat, you see people's true colours and character. Pointing out that our team tonight were utter shite is not a tantrum. Not sure why being a fan of a club means you have to blindly support them no matter what. After tonight's capitulation I'm not wasting my fucking time watching us get hammered at Anfield - for make no mistake, that is exactly what is going to happen. I have better things to do with my time and as a fan it's the only real form of protest I have available. If it was possible within the rules, we should accept we've blown it and concede the tie. As it stands we should minimise the risk of injury to our top players and send the reserves out. Who knows, they might actually be up for it and go out and get a result! The first team clearly can't so what have we got to lose. Forget the cup now, focus on the league (and the other cup). I really hope your comments come back and bite you then we will really see the miserable type of fan you clearly are!
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Post by hammered on Jan 5, 2016 22:21:17 GMT
At the weekend West Ham worked harder than them, played at their weakness – got the first goal and controlled the game.
Tonight after a Klopp rocket they did the same to Stoke.
Still in the balance IMO – 1-0 is hardly bad and a Hughes rocket awaits I guess.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jan 5, 2016 22:21:41 GMT
Very disappointing, yes ...... but I have to believe that we will play better at Anfield. I'm no happy-clapper and I realise there is a hill to climb (and any other cliche you might mention), but it isn't over yet. Anyway, I'm still looking forward to a day out at Donny on Saturday . Yeah, let's win the FA Cup instead, particularly as I can't make February 24!
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Post by scfcwebby on Jan 5, 2016 22:21:44 GMT
Unfortunately I can only think of johnson who had a decent game. Taking Shaq off to bring crouch on was a strange one. Shaq should cross to crouch surely? I've said on a different thread, it's amazing how opinions differ so much, I thought Johnson had a poor game tonight!
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Post by mrmeeseeks on Jan 5, 2016 22:22:26 GMT
We have the ability to win at Anfield and therefore we are still in this tie. No way are we out of it
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Post by stokiejoe on Jan 5, 2016 22:23:15 GMT
Sorry to say, but I reckon Hughes is mostly responsible due to his "don't lose the tie here" that someone said (If that is true it's fucking wank management), well it was most probably lost here. Why the fuck don't we go for it for once, roll the fucking dice? No, can't do that. We got off to a God awful start, which improved a bit, but was still shit, and we conceded. Second half saw an improvement, and they started time wasting, embarrassing for them. Still not enough, I don't know what was up with Bojan, but he was wank. Terrible stuff really. I'm as optimistic as the next person, but if you think we are going to turn Liverpool over 2-0 at Anfield, then you're deluded. I'd love anyone on this forum to shove this in my face after the second leg, but it won't happen. Harsh to blame Hughes as the players didn't turn up.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 5, 2016 22:23:43 GMT
Pointing out that our team tonight were utter shite is not a tantrum. Not sure why being a fan of a club means you have to blindly support them no matter what. After tonight's capitulation I'm not wasting my fucking time watching us get hammered at Anfield - for make no mistake, that is exactly what is going to happen. I have better things to do with my time and as a fan it's the only real form of protest I have available. If it was possible within the rules, we should accept we've blown it and concede the tie. As it stands we should minimise the risk of injury to our top players and send the reserves out. Who knows, they might actually be up for it and go out and get a result! The first team clearly can't so what have we got to lose. Forget the cup now, focus on the league (and the other cup). I really hope your comments come back and bite you then we will really see the miserable type of fan you clearly are! I really hope they come back and bite me as well. Tell you what, if we DO win the overall tie after the second leg, please do come back to this thread and shove these posts right up my arse. I'll gladly apologise and admit I was wrong.
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Post by fca47 on Jan 5, 2016 22:24:46 GMT
Liverpool have been poor at home, they have the advantage but it's not a foregone conclusion.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 5, 2016 22:25:05 GMT
Sorry to say, but I reckon Hughes is mostly responsible due to his "don't lose the tie here" that someone said (If that is true it's fucking wank management), well it was most probably lost here. Why the fuck don't we go for it for once, roll the fucking dice? No, can't do that. We got off to a God awful start, which improved a bit, but was still shit, and we conceded. Second half saw an improvement, and they started time wasting, embarrassing for them. Still not enough, I don't know what was up with Bojan, but he was wank. Terrible stuff really. I'm as optimistic as the next person, but if you think we are going to turn Liverpool over 2-0 at Anfield, then you're deluded. I'd love anyone on this forum to shove this in my face after the second leg, but it won't happen. Harsh to blame Hughes as the players didn't turn up. Hughes must share some blame as he picks and motivates the team, however it was the whole team at fault today, not any one individual nor the manager.
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Post by bigdev on Jan 5, 2016 22:25:06 GMT
Just a blip tonight. Lets give the young whipper snappers a chance v Doncaster.It will be a different game at there base. More character and sharpness and we will be wembley bound.
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Post by paulinespens on Jan 5, 2016 22:27:00 GMT
we were poor in the first half but they put all heir energy into closing us down...they were out on their feet towards the end and weve missed a chance disappointing yes, but dog shite ?... grow up Come on!!!!! It was shit from us tonight. I'll put 50 quid on it that arne, boyan and the rest come out and pretty much say the same.I.E Not good enough.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jan 5, 2016 22:27:18 GMT
Early goal by Liverpool at an field. Game over. That's the spirit old chap. Shall we surrender now? You wouldn't want to be in the trenches with some on here, would you?
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Post by chad on Jan 5, 2016 22:27:41 GMT
For fucks sake. It's HT and were 1 0 down. Yes it's an uphill task but this is not the Liverpool team of yesteryear. We can win at Anfield We'll have to play better than tonight buts that not difficult. Believe
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Post by redstriper on Jan 5, 2016 22:29:07 GMT
we were poor in the first half but they put all heir energy into closing us down...they were out on their feet towards the end and weve missed a chance disappointing yes, but dog shite ?... grow up Come on!!!!! It was shit from us tonight. I'll put 50 quid on it that arne, boyan and the rest come out and pretty much say the same.I.E Not good enough. not good enough - clearly true as we lost, but that's not the same as "dog shite" is it ?... yer big drama queen....
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Post by bigsmokingdev on Jan 5, 2016 22:29:23 GMT
That's the spirit old chap. Shall we surrender now? You wouldn't want to be in the trenches with some on here, would you? just stating facts when it happens dude
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 5, 2016 22:30:12 GMT
As I said before This game and the Anfield game have always bees games we didn't need but as we have them we need to heed the lessons for the critical premier league games ahead. 1 Not using the squad plainly doesn't work others use squads for a reason and have done for years the likes of Adam , Walters , Joselu , Wilson need to start some games to add energy just so blatantly missing tonight when bojan's first touch deserts him that's fatigue . 2 club need to come out and clear the Diouf situation and invest in a forward If it's not going away this season 3 Most importantly we are totally incapable of playing against a organised defence that get ahead , we only Win games at home by taking. The lead and forcing teams out we need to find another way and utilise the squad the false 9 is a tactical Weapon not a one size fits all solution. 4 we do need to Invest in this squad to progress we can beat anyone but have just lost to badly wounded WBA and Liverpool teams without their Main players and we had all of ours that's not next level form Result for me imaterial , I agree we aren't out of it , but more importantly need to take the lessons into the critical Norwich and Arsenal games the results of those will set the tone of our second half not tonight's . Constructive stuff BB. I think today showed that we're still a long way off being the finished article. I like the look of Joselu but think you're right re Diouf. It is very concerning as he is the best striker at the club and if he's not going to feature due to him struggling to cope with the horrific death of his mum then we need to give him time to mourn and maybe get someone in on loan till he's ready. Also what's happened to Odom, Muni, Ireland and Sidwell. Hopefully they'll play V Doncaster as our first 11 need a rest. The biggest worry for me though is DM some of it may be down to fatigue but I just think we need someone in who can bring the ball forward a little with the exception of Affelay the ball was going backwards way too much tonight. Over the last couple of games Glens lost a bit of form which can happen but we don't appear to have a natural replacement to come in.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jan 5, 2016 22:30:08 GMT
Just a blip tonight. Lets give the young whipper snappers a chance v Doncaster.It will be a different game at there base. More character and sharpness and we will be wembley bound. Better to give the young whipper snappers a chance at Anfield. Who knows, they might actually try to win the game!
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Post by ryd1967 on Jan 5, 2016 22:33:28 GMT
4 f*** sake the doom and gloom merchants are back again.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 5, 2016 22:33:57 GMT
3 hammys for Liverpool is a bit crazy. Surely a lesson here for Hughes about the need for squad rotation. Im sure he will admit he got the West Brom line-up wrong and we should have kept our first team fresher for tonight. Think two training sessions every day is not helping Liverpool's injuries.
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