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Post by PotterLog on Nov 28, 2015 18:28:41 GMT
It surprises you that after a defeat there is more focus on our negative aspects and after a win the positive aspects? Would you prefer it the other way round? Or do you just not want anything discussed at all? If you have a valuable point to make it would be good if you can get to it. I've made the point quite clearly. If you choose to ignore it then I can't do anything about that. Also, I checked back and this thread was posted two days after we beat Southampton last week raising the exact same point, so not only are you adding nothing but tangential irrelevance to the thread, you're also talking total bollocks.
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Post by whydelilah on Nov 28, 2015 18:29:51 GMT
I've made the point quite clearly. If you choose to ignore it then I can't do anything about that. Also, I checked back and this thread was posted two days after we beat Southampton last week raising the exact same point, so not only are you adding nothing but tangential irrelevance to the thread, you're also talking total bollocks. Or I'm just offering a different opinion to yours and you're getting all precious?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 28, 2015 18:31:01 GMT
I think there's a good chance you're right. So why have you got such an issue with it being talked about? I have an issue with the negative response after one defeat like it's a completely new issue, or that we are somehow doomed. You need to accept that some people have different opinions to yours. Some people even enter debates with open minds. Some people even change their minds once in a while and hold their hands up. Thanks for the tip coach. You're the one trying to shut down the debate, not me, so that's a bit rich.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 28, 2015 18:30:38 GMT
Also, I checked back and this thread was posted two days after we beat Southampton last week raising the exact same point, so not only are you adding nothing but tangential irrelevance to the thread, you're also talking total bollocks. Or I'm just offering a different opinion to yours and you're getting all precious? You're not offering an opinion
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Post by whydelilah on Nov 28, 2015 18:32:50 GMT
Or I'm just offering a different opinion to yours and you're getting all precious? You're not offering the same opinion as mine Absolutely spot on mate. Couldn't agree more.
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Post by whydelilah on Nov 28, 2015 18:34:44 GMT
I'd love to discuss more chaps but I'm off out for a curry and a few jars.
Hopefully by the time I get back in we haven't been relegated.
To be continued.
Much love.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 28, 2015 18:34:24 GMT
You're not offering the same opinion as mine Absolutely spot on mate. Couldn't agree more. You're telling people they shouldn't talk about this as it's we're fine anyhow and calling the thread pointless. That's not so much having an opinion as telling other people they can't have one.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 28, 2015 18:35:21 GMT
I'd love to discuss more chaps but I'm off out for a curry and a few jars. Hopefully by the time I get back in we haven't been relegated. To be continued. Much love. Captain straw man strikes again. Hurry back won't you.
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Post by mattface on Nov 28, 2015 19:27:44 GMT
Something has to change with this stat sharpish. The first and obvious change is dropping Walters. But more can we do? And it has to be a worry surely? Today was just one of those days and I think it was half expected based on previous experience but the scoring (lack of) is a problem of the season so far and has to improve! Yet we sit 9 points clear of the bottom three and the same from a champions league spot. That coupled with the fact that we have the joint 4th best defence in the league. All things considered it really isn't a bad position to be in.
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Post by smudger46 on Nov 28, 2015 19:29:47 GMT
goal scoring has been a major problem for a long time now and not just this season, and it has never been addressed by the clubs signings.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 28, 2015 19:31:10 GMT
Something has to change with this stat sharpish. The first and obvious change is dropping Walters. But more can we do? And it has to be a worry surely? Today was just one of those days and I think it was half expected based on previous experience but the scoring (lack of) is a problem of the season so far and has to improve! Yet we sit 9 points clear of the bottom three and the same from a champions league spot. That coupled with the fact that we have the joint 4th best defence in the league. All things considered it really isn't a bad position to be in. It's not a great one though is it and it could easily be better with the players we have. Not scoring goals is always an issue even if you're winning as it's so easily punished.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 28, 2015 19:32:16 GMT
goal scoring has been a major problem for a long time now and not just this season, and it has never been addressed by the clubs signings. It has been for donkey's years mate. Bar the odd season we never score a lot of goals. It's called penny pinching.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 19:34:02 GMT
Yet we sit 9 points clear of the bottom three and the same from a champions league spot. That coupled with the fact that we have the joint 4th best defence in the league. All things considered it really isn't a bad position to be in. It's not a great one though is it and it could easily be better with the players we have. Not scoring goals is always an issue even if you're winning as it's so easily punished. No,if you're winning games of football,scoring goals isn't an issue. Due to the simple fact that you cannot win football matches without scoring goals
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 28, 2015 19:33:55 GMT
I bet we also have the least amount of shots taken too... I mean how many times could GJ shot today coming inside when he didn't... We need shooting boots.
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Post by lancer on Nov 28, 2015 20:13:25 GMT
Time to put SJW on the bench and try starting with Diouf or Crouchie. Let's be honest, we can't do any worse re goal scoring at the moment.We can hold the ball, we can pay some lovely stuff as we pass it around,but we rarely look a goal threat.Not saying Diouf or Crouchie are the answer, but neither is SJW, and we have to try something...even JOSELU could be the surprise packet.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Nov 28, 2015 20:22:12 GMT
Time to put SJW on the bench and try starting with Diouf or Crouchie. Let's be honest, we can't do any worse re goal scoring at the moment.We can hold the ball, we can pay some lovely stuff as we pass it around,but we rarely look a goal threat.Not saying Diouf or Crouchie are the answer, but neither is SJW, and we have to try something...even JOSELU could be the surprise packet. SJW has never been a 15 goal a season striker and two goals against Bosnia and a wonder goal against Chelsea won't change that. Diouf might be, although not based on today's sulky cameo, but needs to be given his chance against Sheffield along with a couple of others. Failing him, then you have to give Crouch or Joselu go, as at least it will give us more of an aerial threat.
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Post by vahl on Nov 28, 2015 20:37:30 GMT
goal scoring has been a major problem for a long time now and not just this season, and it has never been addressed by the clubs signings. It has been for donkey's years mate. Bar the odd season we never score a lot of goals. It's called penny pinching. I don't think it's penny pinching, per say. We haven't been in a position to really go out and splash the cash until recently - Crouch was done for all sorts of reasons and should be an exception. SJW: Walters has been a problem for a while, regardless of purple patches that have been and gone, for me. I feel like this Stoke team & Walters compares to buying a brand new suit to wear but you're still having to wear your 5 year old 'going out' shoes with it. There's a mis-match and, even though he has been a fucking beast for this club in his time here in fits, he stands out like a sore thumb.
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Post by swampmongrel on Nov 28, 2015 20:42:46 GMT
It seems to me that we score our fair share of 'good' goals but don't really score any 'bog standard' goals. When was the last time we scored from a corner? Obviously it's better to score 'good' goals but even good sides will score plenty from corners etc.
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Post by Gods on Nov 29, 2015 1:56:40 GMT
We may look decent in possession but that is a god awful effort by any measure you care to put on it. Since we almost never score a goal it means if anything goes wrong, either in or out of our control then we're toast
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Post by spitthedog on Nov 29, 2015 2:22:30 GMT
That's not going to change while we have Walters leading our attack.
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 29, 2015 2:53:59 GMT
Jon Walters wasn't the problem today. He was totally isolated for most of the game. I'm afraid our star wingers need to take a hard look at the performance today. Far too much stopping and slowing the play down instead of beating the fullback. Same thing for all the midfielders.
Could have had any world class striker up front today and it would have made no difference. Nothing changed with Diouf at CF either when he came on.
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Post by kustokie on Nov 29, 2015 3:11:03 GMT
Not going to change until they (especially the coaches) show a bit more imagination. Like overlapping full backs, wingers running at their full backs (instead of stoping and passing backwards) and the two wingers switching positions. The only thing that changed after Shawcross went off was we were more vunerable at the back. We still moved the ball around aimlessly in mid-field and actually looked a bit better for a while because Sunderland came out and we had more room. 4-2-3-1 before the red card and 4-2-3-0 after the red card amounted to about the same thing.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 29, 2015 12:11:04 GMT
Don't know if I'm right but my view on it is that we miss someone like Crouch as a target man......we're not getting balls into the box like we have been doing the last couple of seasons under Hughes!!! It seems that this season with the players we've got in Bojan, Shakiri and Arnautovic, we're trying to walk the ball into the net.....and seen as our wide players (not wingers) are cutting inside more than attempting to go down the wing, when we come up against a solid defence, or be it like Sunderland yesterday with a three man central defence, we're just running into brick walls.....unless (like the last couple of games) we put through a defence splitting pass!!! For me, a good start would be to replace Walters up front with Diouf, that's no reflection on Walters....it's just that I think Diouf has those striker instincts more than Walters does, if your gonna persist with Walters then he needs to start hitting the back of the net more, you can't just persist with him cuz he does well!!! Agree with it or not, that's my view, but I'm not the gaffer!!!
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Post by bjarni on Nov 29, 2015 13:38:05 GMT
We can't use the excuse that our players wouldn't be playing for us if they were any good at scoring goals. We are one of the lowest goals scoring teams in the football league. That is one the basic requirements of a football team to score goals. Our players whoever they are should be better at it than they currently are. Watford,and Bournemouth both score more goals than us. They have only just got promoted. You're letting our players get away with it to easy. We are really poor going forward and it needs to change.
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Post by borat on Nov 29, 2015 13:45:01 GMT
It's so easy to see why we can't score, we are the slowest possession team EVER, little movement off the ball, just passing for the sake of it. We don't get enough bodies in the box either, it's pretty boring to watch to be fair.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 29, 2015 13:52:23 GMT
The defence is performing wonders but the attack needs to stand up and take some of the workload.
All the attackers apart from Arnie are having poor to mediocre seasons so far. But are they too big names to be dropped? We have the likes of Ireland/Odemwingie/Afellay waiting in the wings but there seems no fear of losing their places.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 29, 2015 13:55:10 GMT
Blame refs or anybody else but the simple fact is we struggle to score and were always going to come unstuck. All this crap about four or five strikers is total bollocks. Should be our main target in January. You keeping Diouf on the bench and writing Joselu off altogether then Dave?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 13:56:03 GMT
For fuck sake
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Post by spoton on Nov 29, 2015 14:00:10 GMT
Got to agree with most of the posts we have 3 players who seem to have a competition between themselves who can pass the best its so so slow ,it is crap to watch,I can't remember the last good corner we had
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Post by jwhpotter on Nov 29, 2015 14:18:40 GMT
We all know the problem but what is then answer? Hughes isn't going to change the formation anytime soon so we need to try personel changes.
(Current front 4) Shaq Bojan Arnie Walters
Players missing out
Diouf Affellay Crouch Joselu
Against the lesser teams who won't attack us as much I'd play Crouch or Joselu and get balls into the box. Tough call but something needs to change if we want more goals
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