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Post by RedandWhite90 on Nov 23, 2015 19:19:53 GMT
Goals are irrelevant. Its points that count. I was looking for this... always makes me smile
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 23, 2015 19:23:49 GMT
1-0 gets you as many points as 5-0 or a win by any other goal margin. Our defence is good, we don't concede many. Why worry. Yes we could be scoring more, but I feel people would just move on to another subject to whine over. Not scoring from corners/free kicks enough, not defending as well as we were. The red on the Stoke top is not red enough...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 19:26:18 GMT
At some point in the season the chances created will end up in the back of the net and could possibly result in a similar score line and performance to match that one against the dippers.
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Post by Davef on Nov 23, 2015 19:33:00 GMT
Goals are irrelevant. Its points that count. I was looking for this... always makes me smile And as tiresome as it's always been. There's a reason Mark Hughes has added Bojan, Arnautovic, Shaqiri and Diouf to his squad.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2015 19:59:26 GMT
We certainly need a lot of chances to score goals! We could easily have had 5 against Southampton, but the one we got luckily was enough! We need to kill games off more often and not ride our luck, even though we are bloody good at protecting a lead right now! We haven't rode our luck though have we? In winning these games the opposition have not troubled us at all.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Nov 23, 2015 20:50:56 GMT
You should always aim to score as many as you possibly can, aside from anything because goals are fucking mint.
Our form is good, our defence has seemingly settled, but we aren't scoring as many as we should be aiming for. I see nothing wrong with making that point, with the attacking talent we've brought in I'd be hoping to be at least midtable in the old onion bag stakes.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 0:23:53 GMT
To be honest, I went to Swansea and Southampton and I honestly was so confident we wouldn't concede if we played for another 90 minutes. Can't fault our away form at the minute it's amazing, I said on Saturday to my dad within about a minute of play that we would win, they just looked so up for it. Big test for Hughes' skills as a manager if he can eradicate complacency at home against teams we are expected to beat. It was a problem towards the end of the Pulis era but I personally think Hughes is a much better manager, though if he can cut this complacency out he will prove himself as a real top class manager on another level than he is right now. I'm not sure it's complacency mate. I think it's simply the way we set up ie to counter attack, suits away games and home games against the better teams who come at us. The teams who sit in to 'park the bus' to borrow a phrase, neutralise our most potent threat. We need a plan B against these teams at home. Don't know what that might be but I'm sure we'll find a solution. I'm not sure we have always been a counter attacking team under Hughes though? It's only ever been really obvious to me this season. I don't think we have been getting to the byline enough when we have decent possession at home this season and when we do it has created most of our goals!
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Post by kustokie on Nov 24, 2015 1:25:29 GMT
1-0 gets you as many points as 5-0 or a win by any other goal margin. Our defence is good, we don't concede many. Why worry. Yes we could be scoring more, but I feel people would just move on to another subject to whine over. Not scoring from corners/free kicks enough, not defending as well as we were. The red on the Stoke top is not red enough... This is complete and utter bollox. Which did you enjoy more 1-0 against Soton or 6-1 against the Dippers? Be honest, now!
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Post by WoodbineWright2@ on Nov 24, 2015 3:03:19 GMT
1-0 gets you as many points as 5-0 or a win by any other goal margin. Our defence is good, we don't concede many. Why worry. Yes we could be scoring more, but I feel people would just move on to another subject to whine over. Not scoring from corners/free kicks enough, not defending as well as we were. The red on the Stoke top is not red enough... This is complete and utter bollox. Which did you enjoy more 1-0 against Soton or 6-1 against the Dippers? Be honest, now! I never said I'd enjoy a 1-0 win more than a bigger win margin, did I ? Of course I enjoyed the 6-1 win more. What a fucking stupid comment.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 24, 2015 8:07:45 GMT
We certainly need a lot of chances to score goals! We could easily have had 5 against Southampton, but the one we got luckily was enough! We need to kill games off more often and not ride our luck, even though we are bloody good at protecting a lead right now! We haven't rode our luck though have we? In winning these games the opposition have not troubled us at all. We may have deserved to win and indeed gone on to win, but Rob is right, there always a chance that a team can fluke one goal. It's much more unlikely that they will fluke two. On another day Pelle would have got that penalty shout given and by then we should really should have had at least three, so being more clinical is definitely something we need to work on. No doubt Hughes knows this better than most,though, given his quality as a player and now a manager. It would certainly ease the nerves for all concerned, that's for sure
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Post by LDE76 on Nov 24, 2015 8:20:42 GMT
On the flipside only Man Utd, Arsenal & Tottenham have conceeded less than us. Not bad considering Cameron, Johnson, Wilson & Wollscheid are the worst defenders in the History of the Premier League. The worst defenders in history. Football didn't start in 1992, you know.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 24, 2015 8:57:25 GMT
We certainly need a lot of chances to score goals! We could easily have had 5 against Southampton, but the one we got luckily was enough! We need to kill games off more often and not ride our luck, even though we are bloody good at protecting a lead right now! We haven't rode our luck though have we? In winning these games the opposition have not troubled us at all. Not sure we could have complained too much if Southampton had been given a penalty which probably would have taken two points away from us. To me this is a bit riding our luck because in the PL the opponent will almost certainly get at least one or two good goalscoring opportunities. That could be said about the Swansea game, the Villa game or the Chelsea game!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 24, 2015 12:45:01 GMT
We haven't rode our luck though have we? In winning these games the opposition have not troubled us at all. Not sure we could have complained too much if Southampton had been given a penalty which probably would have taken two points away from us. To me this is a bit riding our luck because in the PL the opponent will almost certainly get at least one or two good goalscoring opportunities. That could be said about the Swansea game, the Villa game or the Chelsea game! We saw out all of those games comfortably. I'm not sure what luck it is you refer to in all honesty and responded because I felt that comment detracted from what was easily our best performance of the season to date. Was the penalty lucky? It would have been extremely harsh had it been given. We will score more goals than we are doing very soon. At one point we weren't creating chances. Each game that is changing and someone will get a hammering soon.
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Post by ceejays on Nov 24, 2015 16:01:05 GMT
Well no one has referred to the fact that our current set of results are binary So who else had that record i wonder ?
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Post by Davef on Nov 24, 2015 16:12:41 GMT
Well no one has referred to the fact that our current set of results are binary So who else had that record i wonder ? It's been mentioned several times. The notion that this current football remotely resemblances what went on ten years ago has been laughed out of court.
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Post by symons55 on Nov 24, 2015 16:19:51 GMT
The OP is correct. While we are winning 1-0 it may not seem to matter, but Southampton were always in that game and would have been favourites to go on and win had they equalised. We need to be more ruthless and finish teams off when we are on top. When was the last game we had where you felt 100% confident of a victory with 10 mins to go? Saying that, we are definitely creating more chances than earlier in the season and our quality trio up front (Arnie, Bojan & Shaq) are looking better with every game - I am sure that goals will come. We just need the final piece in the jigsaw - a top striker up front - but they are as rare as turkeys in January. "When was the last game we had where you felt 100% confident of a victory with 10 mins to go?" At home to Liverpool last season ?
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 27, 2015 18:37:49 GMT
Not sure we could have complained too much if Southampton had been given a penalty which probably would have taken two points away from us. To me this is a bit riding our luck because in the PL the opponent will almost certainly get at least one or two good goalscoring opportunities. That could be said about the Swansea game, the Villa game or the Chelsea game! We saw out all of those games comfortably. I'm not sure what luck it is you refer to in all honesty and responded because I felt that comment detracted from what was easily our best performance of the season to date. Was the penalty lucky? It would have been extremely harsh had it been given. We will score more goals than we are doing very soon. At one point we weren't creating chances. Each game that is changing and someone will get a hammering soon. Do you think Costa would have done the same as Remy? Was Butland very lucky against Swansea? If you can't see this as big chances for the opponent I really don't see the point in discussuing this any further! You haven't lost your glasses by the way?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 27, 2015 19:36:15 GMT
We saw out all of those games comfortably. I'm not sure what luck it is you refer to in all honesty and responded because I felt that comment detracted from what was easily our best performance of the season to date. Was the penalty lucky? It would have been extremely harsh had it been given. We will score more goals than we are doing very soon. At one point we weren't creating chances. Each game that is changing and someone will get a hammering soon. Do you think Costa would have done the same as Remy? Was Butland very lucky against Swansea? If you can't see this as big chances for the opponent I really don't see the point in discussuing this any further! You haven't lost your glasses by the way? I have perfect vision thanks and the only person not worth communicating with are those who somehow believe our recent wins have been lucky. As for your comment about costa, that really sums up the fact you know jack shit. We played Chelsea twice in the space of 10 days. Not once did Costa look even remotely like being able to get into the position Remy did. That isn't luck, its good defending. Lets hope we can keep being lucky tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 16:59:05 GMT
Blame refs or anybody else but the simple fact is we struggle to score and were always going to come unstuck. All this crap about four or five strikers is total bollocks. Should be our main target in January.
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 28, 2015 17:07:02 GMT
Yep we just aren't finding the net. At least we weren't that bad when Crouchy was in the side
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Post by tuum on Nov 28, 2015 17:07:59 GMT
I am not sure another striker is the answer. What we need to do is to stop fucking around in the last third trying to walk the ball in and start getting crosses in, some movement in/around defenders and attack at pace. We are pedestrian going forward and it bores me shitless. We need to be more purposeful in attack.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 28, 2015 17:08:37 GMT
We had no shots from anyone in the midfield with all of that space given because of our wide play trying to come across the front of the box... sad really. It's a problem at the moment of passing for passing's sake instead of belting it in for a chance. We're not taking risks from the edge of the 18 and all you have to do is usher us central or towards the byline and our attack is dead.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 28, 2015 17:10:48 GMT
Something has to change with this stat sharpish.
The first and obvious change is dropping Walters.
But more can we do?
And it has to be a worry surely?
Today was just one of those days and I think it was half expected based on previous experience but the scoring (lack of) is a problem of the season so far and has to improve!
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 28, 2015 17:12:54 GMT
Something has to change with this stat sharpish. The first and obvious change is dropping Walters. But more can we do? And it has to be a worry surely? Today was just one of those days and I think it was half expected based on previous experience but the scoring (lack of) is a problem of the season so far and has to improve! Get someone in the midfield who can bring the ball forward and free up parked defenders... Our only decent chance the last two weeks has come from a cross by a fullback (pieters) to a CF or running CAM. Not one decent shot on target from a central midfielder or CF creating or taking it central.
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Post by liathroid on Nov 28, 2015 17:14:17 GMT
our point count is not bad
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Post by nutterpotter on Nov 28, 2015 17:16:39 GMT
It really is a strange one at the moment. We're clearly better on the counter and struggle to create anything against teams that have a well organised defence.
The problem we've got is that we're playing way too narrow and our passing has been pedestrian. Need to keep things simple and utilise the wings more often. As we saw, our only chance of the game came from a Pieters cross.
Arnie is too predictable at the moment- he needs to stop cutting inside at every opportunity as it just decreases the amount of space we've got to work with.
Bojan isn't fully up to speed yet.
Shaq once again showed glimpses of quality but we haven't seen enough of it yet.
One thing that is really pissing me off is the corners. Why do we keep on trying those pathetic short corners? We tried one last week and nearly conceded from it. Today we ended up passing the ball back to Butland! Short corners are the most useless thing in the world. Need to stop doing them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 28, 2015 17:16:43 GMT
Something has to change with this stat sharpish. The first and obvious change is dropping Walters. But more can we do? And it has to be a worry surely? Today was just one of those days and I think it was half expected based on previous experience but the scoring (lack of) is a problem of the season so far and has to improve! Get someone in the midfield who can bring the ball forward and free up parked defenders... Our only decent chance the last two weeks has come from a cross by a fullback (pieters) to a CF or running CAM. Not one decent shot on target from a central midfielder or CF creating or taking it central. I've been saying that all season.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 28, 2015 17:18:21 GMT
Get someone in the midfield who can bring the ball forward and free up parked defenders... Our only decent chance the last two weeks has come from a cross by a fullback (pieters) to a CF or running CAM. Not one decent shot on target from a central midfielder or CF creating or taking it central. I've been saying that all season. We went from Adam having a 15 mile runout to him having a 2 mile run out... with a yellow and he was kept in the entire match after the contentious foul... Night and day.
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Post by butlerstbob on Nov 28, 2015 17:19:38 GMT
Something has to change with this stat sharpish. The first and obvious change is dropping Walters. But more can we do? And it has to be a worry surely? Today was just one of those days and I think it was half expected based on previous experience but the scoring (lack of) is a problem of the season so far and has to improve! Cant Argue with any of that, bad day at a ground where we are always shite! Bojan didnt really get involved, walters form has dropped, maybe we should give afalley and or mame a chance? No matter what side of the fence we sit on goals are a problem! I still think we will do ok this season, I just think we need to shake things up ie walters!
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Post by wuzza on Nov 28, 2015 17:19:20 GMT
Some good (if slightly ponderous) approach play but none of our guys seem to have much of a cutting edge. I suppose if they had this element to their game they would be performing on a grander stage. We need to have an alternative approach sometimes but the management team can be a bit inflexible.
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