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Post by milky on Nov 29, 2015 15:15:45 GMT
We all know the problem but what is then answer? Hughes isn't going to change the formation anytime soon so we need to try personel changes. (Current front 4) Shaq Bojan Arnie Walters Players missing out Diouf Affellay Crouch Joselu Against the lesser teams who won't attack us as much I'd play Crouch or Joselu and get balls into the box. Tough call but something needs to change if we want more goals It's almost like we need the good version of Pulisball (spring 2011) at home against the sides that park the bus and Sparkys counter attacking with pace for all other games .That should fix it
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Post by milky on Nov 29, 2015 15:15:57 GMT
We all know the problem but what is then answer? Hughes isn't going to change the formation anytime soon so we need to try personel changes. (Current front 4) Shaq Bojan Arnie Walters Players missing out Diouf Affellay Crouch Joselu Against the lesser teams who won't attack us as much I'd play Crouch or Joselu and get balls into the box. Tough call but something needs to change if we want more goals It's almost like we need the good version of Pulisball (spring 2011) at home against the sides that park the bus and Sparkys counter attacking with pace for all other games .That should fix it
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Post by liamo on Nov 29, 2015 15:23:08 GMT
We all know the problem but what is then answer? Hughes isn't going to change the formation anytime soon so we need to try personel changes. (Current front 4) Shaq Bojan Arnie Walters Players missing out Diouf Affellay Crouch Joselu Against the lesser teams who won't attack us as much I'd play Crouch or Joselu and get balls into the box. Tough call but something needs to change if we want more goals It's almost like we need the good version of Pulisball (spring 2011) at home against the sides that park the bus and Sparkys counter attacking with pace for all other games .That should fix it I would rather cut my balls off with a blunt plastic knife than watch that again, what we need is to be more clinical in front of goal, Walters missed a sitter yesterday, Shaqiri, Arnie and Afellay all missed sitters in the previous game, something does need to chance but Crouch is too static, he is not the answer to our scoring woes
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Post by roostershair on Nov 29, 2015 15:26:05 GMT
Messi is available for £800,000 a week
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Post by roostershair on Nov 29, 2015 15:28:25 GMT
Put Diouf on instead of SJW. He looks knackered at the moment
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Post by milky on Nov 29, 2015 15:30:28 GMT
It's almost like we need the good version of Pulisball (spring 2011) at home against the sides that park the bus and Sparkys counter attacking with pace for all other games .That should fix it I would rather cut my balls off with a blunt plastic knife than watch that again, what we need is to be more clinical in front of goal, Walters missed a sitter yesterday, Shaqiri, Arnie and Afellay all missed sitters in the previous game, something does need to chance but Crouch is too static, he is not the answer to our scoring woes I meant the good version to be fair..which was quite good to watch with Ethers and JP on the wings and a can be arsed Kenwyn. .not the utter filth post 2012. Not sure we have the type of players to do that anyway
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Post by wembley1972 on Nov 29, 2015 20:06:25 GMT
There are only three teams with a better goals against record so far this season, statistics eh!
Would we be happier with scoring ten more than we have but letting ten more in and still be where we are in the league.
I still feel like the entertainment and quality of football is getting better, but I would like to see more urgency in the last third and get frustrated by the wingers not getting the ball into the box often enough. This is probably because they don't have forwards or breaking midfielders in the box to receive it.
We have to trust that the manager has plans to improve our scoring record, surely he sees what we see. The question is can he do this with the players we have or does he change some of the squad?
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 29, 2015 21:36:30 GMT
We scrape results which we did with Pulis. Luxury to see a game out 3-0 up. And our players are supposed to be better. Difficult run coming up
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 21:38:04 GMT
Snore! We need a striker. A proper one.
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 29, 2015 21:44:11 GMT
Snore! We need a striker. A proper one. Did you mean score or snore?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 23:52:30 GMT
For me we just need to make players take on more responsibility, relying on 1 player to score all the goals is certain folly.
Oh yes I've banged on for ages about a fabled 15 goal a season striker and God knows we need one if we are to finish higher on a regular basis , however, this has to be backed up by other players scoring more as well.
At times we look like our striker has gone for a shit and no one quite knows whose job it is to shoot, like when the regular penalty taker is not playing, no one is stepping up to do the job.
As if Bojan, Adam, Shaqiri, have never shot at goal before and have been ordered to let Walters take all the shots.
Just let fly lads fill yer boots.
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Post by muglump on Nov 30, 2015 8:27:40 GMT
Put Diouf on instead of SJW. He looks knackered at the moment Exactly this. The attack looks ponderous because the build up players have got bugger all to aim at mame is the answer i do think it really is that simple.
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Post by fca47 on Nov 30, 2015 10:39:06 GMT
Whatmore showed what difference a bit of pace makes, when you use it. He is very limited technically but managed to get someone sent off by shear speed. We have players with pace but we settle for the possession option rather than taking the defenders on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 10:58:02 GMT
Hughsie should have had the nous to make sure Watmore didn't get the chance to shine. It was obvious from his cameo in Sunderland's previous game, that he would come good in this game. He should have had somebody keeping tabs on him from the minute he started. That was obvious IMHO. I don't often criticise Mark, but he should of worked that one out!
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Post by stantheman on Nov 30, 2015 11:16:14 GMT
We passed the ball to death on Saturday and managed one serious attempt on goal. Without wanting to sound like I advocate bringing back the slave trade, legalising hard drugs or that global warming is poppycock, would there be any reason we don't try the good old 4-4-2?
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Post by lowlands on Nov 30, 2015 13:30:37 GMT
I will state the bloody obvious, we are simply devoid of scoring goals and winning 1-0 always leaves us vulnerable to a late equaliser when in reality we should be 3 goals to the good. We pass the ball around the penalty area get into good positions but rarely cross the ball into the box. Saturdays great example of passing into the box when Walters (he knows) should have scored. That was one of the few very few chances we created that looked solid.
Is it now time to bring on crouch, put the ball into the 6'7 giant we all know he is the best header of a ball yet he sits on the bench, also he has good feet and can hold the ball up well and bring other players into the game (remember the 1st minute goal against Arsenil) and if he heads one down we can have numerous players to pick up the pieces, Diouf, Arnie, Adam, Walters, Johnson Bojan etc.
We have the worse goal scoring record in the prem bar Villa, time for Goals Mr Hughes, tippy tappy around the penalty area to passing it back to the halfway line is getting oh so predictable. It is becoming a worry and Sheff Wed will fancy their chances, if they score 2 goals we will be out
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 30, 2015 14:22:24 GMT
Diouf.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 30, 2015 20:34:06 GMT
Is costing us points we need the wingers to use their pace and try and beat a man and whip a few crosses into the box, all this checking passing it backwards and stopping the game is IMO the reason we're not scoring anywhere near enough (as well as using Walters as our lone striker). We have pace and creativity in the squad it's time the shackles were undone. Gouranga.
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Post by tony harrison on Nov 30, 2015 20:37:04 GMT
Spot on, can't argue with that!
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Post by mcf on Nov 30, 2015 21:27:28 GMT
No fucking way!
We've scored less goals than a Tony Pulis squad who doesn't even try and win games??????
No fucking way!
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Post by owdestokie on Nov 30, 2015 22:40:15 GMT
Is costing us points we need the wingers to use their pace and try and beat a man and whip a few crosses into the box, all this checking passing it backwards and stopping the game is IMO the reason we're not scoring anywhere near enough (as well as using Walters as our lone striker). We have pace and creativity in the squad it's time the shackles were undone. Gouranga. I'm not sure our wide players (wingers) have the pace to show a defender the ball and get past them to get a cross in from the bye line. Both consistently cut inside which narrows any angles for a forward player. We are is what we are!!! We do not create enough chances to be missed, end of. IMHO we are continually playing on a knife edge to gain a result. I'm simply a footballing dinassour expecting forward aggressive football that attempts to score goals and getting arses on the edge of the seat Goal or no goal ????
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Post by StoKeith on Nov 30, 2015 23:08:53 GMT
Fun fact - we're actually the lowest scorers in the top 7 divisions (I didn't look any further down), although both Bolton Wanderers AND St Albans City have worse goals to games ratios than us.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 1, 2015 3:29:45 GMT
We all know the problem but what is then answer? Hughes isn't going to change the formation anytime soon so we need to try personel changes. (Current front 4) Shaq Bojan Arnie Walters Players missing out Diouf Affellay Crouch Joselu Against the lesser teams who won't attack us as much I'd play Crouch or Joselu and get balls into the box. Tough call but something needs to change if we want more goals It's almost like we need the good version of Pulisball (spring 2011) at home against the sides that park the bus and Sparkys counter attacking with pace for all other games .That should fix it Returning to Pulisball would be awful. But we do need to mix things up. Right now, our build is slow, too narrow, predictable and easy to defend.
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Post by right on Dec 1, 2015 4:44:33 GMT
We need to start Diouf. Plain and simple. He's our best scorer, why the hell is he not playing?? This must be our first attempt to fix things....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 1, 2015 10:25:49 GMT
The problem with our goals tally is twofold. In the odd game like Southampton, where we can play on the counter we create a reasonable number of chances but have by band large fluffed them. We can improve here by restoring Diouf to the side. Against bus parkers and teams who want to hit us on the counter, we haven’t a clue and at the minute neither does Hughes.
Realistically it’s either got to come via a change in the system or entering the transfer market because against these sides, we could have the bastard son of Ian Rush and Robbie Fowler up front and it wouldn't matter because we aren't missing chances, we're just not creating them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 11:36:54 GMT
We need to start Diouf. Plain and simple. He's our best scorer, why the hell is he not playing?? This must be our first attempt to fix things.... Exactly.
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Post by thebet365 on Dec 1, 2015 11:43:38 GMT
We need to start Diouf. Plain and simple. He's our best scorer, why the hell is he not playing?? This must be our first attempt to fix things.... Because his mother died, and he's travelled more miles than virtually anyone else in the squad recently, Oh and we were winning games. It's called squad management and now we've lost he'll be rightfully put back in the side, fresh and ready to start scoring hopefully.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Dec 1, 2015 12:53:10 GMT
The problem with our goals tally is twofold. In the odd game like Southampton, where we can play on the counter we create a reasonable number of chances but have by band large fluffed them. We can improve here by restoring Diouf to the side. Against bus parkers and teams who want to hit us on the counter, we haven’t a clue and at the minute neither does Hughes. Realistically it’s either got to come via a change in the system or entering the transfer market because against these sides, we could have the bastard son of Ian Rush and Robbie Fowler up front and it wouldn't matter because we aren't missing chances, we're just not creating them. I find myself agreeing with Albert here Sheiky. When teams afford us space, we move forward with confidence and create plenty of chances (sadly we miss most of them). When teams set out to 'shut us out' our creative players seem to lack the belief in themselves that they can beat their man and create scoring opportunities for themselves or others. Regardless of the opposition's tactics, I think we have the players that are capable of creating and scoring goals but some some of them 'disappear' when it gets tougher. That's not a massive criticism of individuals because they are all very good players and have (largely) played very well but I really do think it's a confidence issue with some of them. These same players are fully capable of taking on their opponnents, beating them and creating/scoring but the creators have got to have the courage and belief to do that and the front man/men have to be much more confident/clinical in finding the back of the net in games where we have created a whole host of chances. With the creative players we have in the current set up, it's hard to argue that a change of personnel would make us more creative (IMO). I just think we need to be a bit more positive and move forward with a bit more purpose rather than taking 15 passes (9 or 10 of them backwards) to try and engineer chances. We've already got the players that can rectify the situation (IMO).
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Post by phil38 on Dec 1, 2015 13:03:31 GMT
who had vardy to be higest goal scorer and for Leicester to be 14 points clear of chelsea by december?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 1, 2015 13:04:23 GMT
The problem with our goals tally is twofold. In the odd game like Southampton, where we can play on the counter we create a reasonable number of chances but have by band large fluffed them. We can improve here by restoring Diouf to the side. Against bus parkers and teams who want to hit us on the counter, we haven’t a clue and at the minute neither does Hughes. Realistically it’s either got to come via a change in the system or entering the transfer market because against these sides, we could have the bastard son of Ian Rush and Robbie Fowler up front and it wouldn't matter because we aren't missing chances, we're just not creating them. I find myself agreeing with Albert here Sheiky. When teams afford us space, we move forward with confidence and create plenty of chances (sadly we miss most of them). When teams set out to 'shut us out' our creative players seem to lack the belief in themselves that they can beat their man and create scoring opportunities for themselves or others. Regardless of the opposition's tactics, I think we have the players that are capable of creating and scoring goals but some some of them 'disappear' when it gets tougher. That's not a massive criticism of individuals because they are all very good players and have (largely) played very well but I really do think it's a confidence issue with some of them. These same players are fully capable of taking on their opponnents, beating them and creating/scoring but the creators have got to have the courage and belief to do that and the front man/men have to be much more confident/clinical in finding the back of the net in games where we have created a whole host of chances. With the creative players we have in the current set up, it's hard to argue that a change of personnel would make us more creative (IMO). I just think we need to be a bit more positive and move forward with a bit more purpose rather than taking 15 passes (9 or 10 of them backwards) to try and engineer chances. We've already got the players that can rectify the situation (IMO). Agree to a degree mate but how long do you give them to click? I think the situation has been going on long enough now to suggest it needs a genuine kick up the arse or new ideas.
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