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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 0:35:51 GMT
Shawcross had a poor game by his standards and if we were to pick a centre half from that game it'd be Wolly. Garth is as incompetent as they come and, much like a horse with a broken leg, should be dealt with Anyways there's nothing to debate here let's just cut out the middle man and let someone post a picture of Garth with his eyes rolled back so we can all get what we really came here for.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 14, 2015 8:22:31 GMT
I'm sure Crooks is totally wrong about the Waddington Wall. The Waddington Wall was a few years before the Stoke back line of Marsh, Smith, Bloor and Pejic. The Waddington Wall was what kept us up in the 2 or 3 years after promotion to the first division in 1963. The Back line of Marsh etc. was in the late 60's early 70s.
Anyone else around at the time who can confirm my memory of things?
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Post by fca47 on Dec 14, 2015 8:29:21 GMT
I'm sure Crooks is totally wrong about the Waddington Wall. The Waddington Wall was a few years before the Stoke back line of Marsh, Smith, Bloor and Pejic. The Waddington Wall was what kept us up in the 2 or 3 years after promotion to the first division in 1963. The Back line of Marsh etc. was in the late 60's early 70s. Anyone else around at the time who can confirm my memory of things? Absolutely, we had Setters, Tony Allen etc. Strange to pick Shawx , probably a game where he didn't deserve it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 8:36:00 GMT
Crooks rewrites history. Go away you fat loon,you know nowt about Stoke City nor football in general
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 14, 2015 8:57:29 GMT
I'm sure Crooks is totally wrong about the Waddington Wall. The Waddington Wall was a few years before the Stoke back line of Marsh, Smith, Bloor and Pejic. The Waddington Wall was what kept us up in the 2 or 3 years after promotion to the first division in 1963. The Back line of Marsh etc. was in the late 60's early 70s. Anyone else around at the time who can confirm my memory of things? Wiki agrees with you: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_WaddingtonWiki (not a totally reliable source) says Waddington created his wall when he took over when in 2nd Division.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 14, 2015 8:58:27 GMT
Shawcross was ok by his own standards, primarily because his own standards are ludicrously high.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 14, 2015 9:04:42 GMT
To say things like he's a fat loon about Garth crooks Is no better than having ago about the colour of his skin , people should take a look in the mirror and realise the abuse he had as a player when racism was rife when he wore the red and white stripes of Stoke , Garth is entitled to his opinions as is everyone on here but to comment on his appearance is typical of the key board warriors on here who never saw this guy play for Stoke
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Dec 14, 2015 9:15:01 GMT
I saw Garth play, and I cried when we sold him, and I agree, calling him fat and a loon is a bit strong. I prefer, chubby and deluded. He's also a follower of opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 9:19:18 GMT
To say things like he's a fat loon about Garth crooks Is no better than having ago about the colour of his skin , people should take a look in the mirror and realise the abuse he had as a player when racism was rife when he wore the red and white stripes of Stoke , Garth is entitled to his opinions as is everyone on here but to comment on his appearance is typical of the key board warriors on here who never saw this guy play for Stoke You know nowt.I saw every home game he played for us.He was one of my favourite players. He is now fat,that can't be argued with and in my opinion, a loon. Do I care if you disagree? Do I fuck.
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Post by murphy on Dec 14, 2015 9:52:26 GMT
I'm sure Crooks is totally wrong about the Waddington Wall. The Waddington Wall was a few years before the Stoke back line of Marsh, Smith, Bloor and Pejic. The Waddington Wall was what kept us up in the 2 or 3 years after promotion to the first division in 1963. The Back line of Marsh etc. was in the late 60's early 70s. Anyone else around at the time who can confirm my memory of things? The original Waddington Wall as I recall was ,..Jimmy O'Neil (GK), Bill Asprey, Eddie Clamp, Eddie Stuart, Tony Allen. Part of my very first 'heroes' team
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 14, 2015 10:18:13 GMT
Wasn't it an FA Cup game at Everton in the mid 60s where Waddingtons wall was first mentioned?
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Post by magwitch on Dec 14, 2015 11:06:03 GMT
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about the so-called 'Waddington's Wall'. Wikipedia has got it right, amazingly, in that the wall existed for a short period after Waddo took over in 1960 in order to stave off relegation. Frank Taylor had done little to rebuild the team during the fifties and Waddo took over a desperate situation. After he brought in new players like Denis Violett, plus defenders like Ron Andrews, Tony Allen and Bill Asprey, the wall was not required. Eddie Stuart and Clamp came later, as did Stan Matthews at the suggestion of Denis Wilshaw. Bobby Howitt was another midfield player brought in by Waddo at this time, and the late Don Ratcliffe atarted to blossom as the team improved in the following seasons. It was at this time, if my memory is correct, that Wilf Hall took over in goal from Bill Robertson, who retired at a later date to a newsagents shop in Bucknall. Hall was an extremely erratic goalkeeper who Waddo replaced as soon as he could.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 11:09:21 GMT
To say things like he's a fat loon about Garth crooks Is no better than having ago about the colour of his skin , people should take a look in the mirror and realise the abuse he had as a player when racism was rife when he wore the red and white stripes of Stoke , Garth is entitled to his opinions as is everyone on here but to comment on his appearance is typical of the key board warriors on here who never saw this guy play for Stoke You know nowt.I saw every home game he played for us.He was one of my favourite players. He is now fat,that can't be argued with and in my opinion, a loon. Do I care if you disagree? Do I fuck. Keyboard warrior assessment by heworksardtho seems bob on then
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 11:48:53 GMT
You know nowt.I saw every home game he played for us.He was one of my favourite players. He is now fat,that can't be argued with and in my opinion, a loon. Do I care if you disagree? Do I fuck. Keyboard warrior assessment by heworksardtho seems bob on then and then he sends me a private message calling me a racist.He's got too much time on his hands
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 14, 2015 11:51:06 GMT
I'm also one of those supporters who don't understand why Garth gets so much negative stuff said about him. He spent his childhood kicking a ball against the wall of the Boothen Paddock, supported his home town team like all of us do, got to fulfill the boyhood dreams most of us have to play for Stoke, performed very well for us and gave 100% when he did, retired at a time when wages were not as they are today, took elocution lessons to earn a living - not because he was ashamed of his accent but because the Stoke accent is despised by most of the population and it just wouldn't go down well in the media, and tries to be neutral in his footballing views. Does he have a chip on his shoulder at times? Well, if you'd played in front of crowds that thought all black people were monkeys and ate bananas, then maybe you might have a chip on your shoulders. And now he's getting stick because he's put on weight. He's earning a living by expressing an opinion, and even that gets him abuse because he may have a different point of view. Last week he picked three Stoke players in his team of the week, and this week he chose one. I'm not sure I agree with him about Shawcross this week, but that's because I'm allowed an opinion. And it is all about opinions. So will some of you give knocking the lad a rest. Disagree with him by all means, but it can be done without some of the ludicrous, abusive shit I read on here.
OS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 11:56:22 GMT
Oldstokie,he rarely has a good word to say about us,that's what gripes some of us.Last week on final score he was asked to comment on our great performance v Man City and he changed the subject.He just can't bring himself to say anything good about Stoke Coty so why should we be nice to him. I've already said he was one of my favourite players,now I have no time for him
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Post by foster on Dec 14, 2015 11:58:49 GMT
Oldstokie,he rarely has a good word to say about us,that's what gripes some of us.Last week on final score he was asked to comment on our great performance v Man City and he changed the subject.He just can't bring himself to say anything good about Stoke Coty so why should we be nice to him. I've already said he was one of my favourite players,now I have no time for himThat's so racist. My PM is on the way!
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 14, 2015 12:03:34 GMT
Oldstokie,he rarely has a good word to say about us,that's what gripes some of us.Last week on final score he was asked to comment on our great performance v Man City and he changed the subject.He just can't bring himself to say anything good about Stoke Coty so why should we be nice to him. I've already said he was one of my favourite players,now I have no time for him And yet he picked three of our players in his team of the week. Sometimes we have to look into ourselves and see if we're being paranoid. I do it myself sometimes with people who have occasionally pissed me off. I'm paranoid about Wenger, but he's a damned good manager. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 12:05:17 GMT
And yet he picked Ryan when he didn't have one of his best games,that's loony in my book
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Dec 14, 2015 12:08:55 GMT
I'm sure Crooks is totally wrong about the Waddington Wall. The Waddington Wall was a few years before the Stoke back line of Marsh, Smith, Bloor and Pejic. The Waddington Wall was what kept us up in the 2 or 3 years after promotion to the first division in 1963. The Back line of Marsh etc. was in the late 60's early 70s. Anyone else around at the time who can confirm my memory of things? Well John it certainly wasn't the season after promotion because we conceded close on 80 goals that season! I remember that season so well for the quantities of goals at both end, 4-4 draws and a 9-1 thrashing of Ipswich Town. Hell we scored almost as many on that day as this team have done all season long so far!! My recollection was the wall was built earlier than that promotion season. Anyone with a more fertile memory out there??
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 14, 2015 12:47:55 GMT
I'm sure Crooks is totally wrong about the Waddington Wall. The Waddington Wall was a few years before the Stoke back line of Marsh, Smith, Bloor and Pejic. The Waddington Wall was what kept us up in the 2 or 3 years after promotion to the first division in 1963. The Back line of Marsh etc. was in the late 60's early 70s. Anyone else around at the time who can confirm my memory of things? Well John it certainly wasn't the season after promotion because we conceded close on 80 goals that season! I remember that season so well for the quantities of goals at both end, 4-4 draws and a 9-1 thrashing of Ipswich Town. Hell we scored almost as many on that day as this team have done all season long so far!! My recollection was the wall was built earlier than that promotion season. Anyone with a more fertile memory out there?? On reflection, I think you are probably correct. Anyway, it certainly wasn't the back four (plus Banks) that Garth Crooks claimed it was.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 12:53:39 GMT
No need for that, son.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 14, 2015 13:08:38 GMT
and then he sends me a private message calling me a racist.He's got too much time on his hands You big racist you.
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Post by heworksardtho on Dec 14, 2015 17:38:34 GMT
Like I said keyboard warrior who's never watched Stoke it's easy to have a go at crooks knowing he won't answer you back , schoolyard bully springs to mind
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Post by whydelilah on Dec 14, 2015 18:15:50 GMT
I'm also one of those supporters who don't understand why Garth gets so much negative stuff said about him. He spent his childhood kicking a ball against the wall of the Boothen Paddock, supported his home town team like all of us do, got to fulfill the boyhood dreams most of us have to play for Stoke, performed very well for us and gave 100% when he did, retired at a time when wages were not as they are today, took elocution lessons to earn a living - not because he was ashamed of his accent but because the Stoke accent is despised by most of the population and it just wouldn't go down well in the media, and tries to be neutral in his footballing views. Does he have a chip on his shoulder at times? Well, if you'd played in front of crowds that thought all black people were monkeys and ate bananas, then maybe you might have a chip on your shoulders. And now he's getting stick because he's put on weight. He's earning a living by expressing an opinion, and even that gets him abuse because he may have a different point of view. Last week he picked three Stoke players in his team of the week, and this week he chose one. I'm not sure I agree with him about Shawcross this week, but that's because I'm allowed an opinion. And it is all about opinions. So will some of you give knocking the lad a rest. Disagree with him by all means, but it can be done without some of the ludicrous, abusive shit I read on here. OS. Great post, old boy.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 14, 2015 19:28:50 GMT
I'm also one of those supporters who don't understand why Garth gets so much negative stuff said about him. He spent his childhood kicking a ball against the wall of the Boothen Paddock, supported his home town team like all of us do, got to fulfill the boyhood dreams most of us have to play for Stoke, performed very well for us and gave 100% when he did, retired at a time when wages were not as they are today, took elocution lessons to earn a living - not because he was ashamed of his accent but because the Stoke accent is despised by most of the population and it just wouldn't go down well in the media, and tries to be neutral in his footballing views. Does he have a chip on his shoulder at times? Well, if you'd played in front of crowds that thought all black people were monkeys and ate bananas, then maybe you might have a chip on your shoulders. And now he's getting stick because he's put on weight. He's earning a living by expressing an opinion, and even that gets him abuse because he may have a different point of view. Last week he picked three Stoke players in his team of the week, and this week he chose one. I'm not sure I agree with him about Shawcross this week, but that's because I'm allowed an opinion. And it is all about opinions. So will some of you give knocking the lad a rest. Disagree with him by all means, but it can be done without some of the ludicrous, abusive shit I read on here. OS. Excellent stuff. A refreshing antidote to the small mindedness and bitterness we are usually exposed to on here.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 14, 2015 19:35:21 GMT
Re: Waddington Wall
Yes its true that the Waddington Wall preceeded our back four of the early seventies, but for me Marsh, Pej, Smithy and Bluto is the nearest thing I have seen to a wall on a football pitch in my life. They were as solid a unit as you could get. Check out some of the crunching tackles from the 72 Final. These days we would have been down to 9 men after the first 15 minutes.
Nice that Crooks drew attention to them by name I thought. It shows his deep connection with and affection for the team he grew up watching.
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