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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 12:56:07 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 12:56:07 GMT
Again, which nations did he score them against and how many were penalties? Stats only give you half the picture. When did you last physically see him dominate a game at international level? What does it matter? And I agree they do but when they marry up with him being the joint greatest England goalscorer of all time and him still being a very good player then it should be a compelling argument. Especially when you're advocating Jamie Vardy! Well Soldado is great at pens and Luton would beat half the nations in our group so of course it matters. I'm advocating Jamie Vardy on current form. I'd expect Sturridge if fit to be the main man for England and I think Rooney's place will be under a lot of threat when Kane gets going and if Austin is snapped up by a decent side in Jan.
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Sept 6, 2015 12:58:09 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 12:58:09 GMT
What does it matter? And I agree they do but when they marry up with him being the joint greatest England goalscorer of all time and him still being a very good player then it should be a compelling argument. Especially when you're advocating Jamie Vardy! I'm advocating Jamie Vardy on current form. I'd expect Sturridge if fit to be the main man for England and I think Rooney's place will be under a lot of threat when Kane gets going and if Austin is snapped up by a decent side in Jan. You would? Like I said, mental! Rooney's place will come under pressure from the likes of Kane and Sturridge and Welbeck when as he get older. Jamie Vardy though isn't very good.
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:07:25 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 13:07:25 GMT
I'm advocating Jamie Vardy on current form. I'd expect Sturridge if fit to be the main man for England and I think Rooney's place will be under a lot of threat when Kane gets going and if Austin is snapped up by a decent side in Jan. You would? Like I said, mental! Rooney's place will come under pressure from the likes of Kane and Sturridge and Welbeck when as he get older. Jamie Vardy though isn't very good. And on current form neither is Wayne Rooney. I think you're mental for suggesting Welbeck who will never be a regular at Arsenal ahead of Sturridge.
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:11:35 GMT
Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 6, 2015 13:11:35 GMT
Didn't Rooney get a hat trick recently? When was Jamie Vardys last hat trick?
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:20:02 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 13:20:02 GMT
Didn't Rooney get a hat trick recently? When was Jamie Vardys last hat trick? Didn't Vardy score in the league recently? When was the last time Rooney troubled a PL defence?
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:24:09 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 13:24:09 GMT
You would? Like I said, mental! Rooney's place will come under pressure from the likes of Kane and Sturridge and Welbeck when as he get older. Jamie Vardy though isn't very good. And on current form neither is Wayne Rooney. I think you're mental for suggesting Welbeck who will never be a regular at Arsenal ahead of Sturridge. Oh yeah only 11 goals in 18 form? Useless bastard he is. Yeah Welbeck who for England has been one of our best player in recent internationals.
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:25:09 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 13:25:09 GMT
And on current form neither is Wayne Rooney. I think you're mental for suggesting Welbeck who will never be a regular at Arsenal ahead of Sturridge. Oh yeah only 11 goals in 18 form? Useless bastard he is. Yeah Welbeck who for England has been one of our best player in recent internationals. Once again, how many were penalties and how many were against shit opposition?
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:26:59 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 13:26:59 GMT
Oh yeah only 11 goals in 18 form? Useless bastard he is. Yeah Welbeck who for England has been one of our best player in recent internationals. Once again, how many were penalties and how many were against shit opposition? Once again it matters not when you're advocating Jamie fucking Vardy!
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:30:22 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 13:30:22 GMT
Once again, how many were penalties and how many were against shit opposition? Once again it matters not when you're advocating Jamie fucking Vardy! Once again it matters a great deal because if you took penalties out then that record would be pretty shocking against European greats such as Macedonia, Andorra, San Marino and Estonia. When you consider that poor form you consider alternatives and ON FORM Vardy is playing far better for a much poorer side than Rooney is.
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:32:02 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 13:32:02 GMT
Once again it matters not when you're advocating Jamie fucking Vardy! Once again it matters a great deal because if you took penalties out then that record would be pretty shocking against European greats such as Macedonia, Andorra, San Marino and Estonia. When you consider that poor form you consider alternatives and ON FORM Vardy is playing far better for a much poorer side than Rooney is. No he's not. Rooney's just scored a Champions League hat-trick, Jamie Vardy is toss.
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Sept 6, 2015 13:34:11 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 13:34:11 GMT
Once again it matters a great deal because if you took penalties out then that record would be pretty shocking against European greats such as Macedonia, Andorra, San Marino and Estonia. When you consider that poor form you consider alternatives and ON FORM Vardy is playing far better for a much poorer side than Rooney is. No he's not. Rooney's just scored a Champions League hat-trick, Jamie Vardy is toss. Rooney's last goal in a league game? Rooney's last big performance at international level? Rooney's last good performance at a major Championship? I think that warrants looking for alternatives. There are other players aside from Jamie Vardy who are a better option.
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:40:07 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 13:40:07 GMT
No he's not. Rooney's just scored a Champions League hat-trick, Jamie Vardy is toss. Rooney's last goal in a league game? Rooney's last big performance at international level? Rooney's last good performance at a major Championship? I think that warrants looking for alternatives. There are other players aside from Jamie Vardy who are a better option. His form for England is second to none. No there are not. There are one or two that knocking on the door. Jamie Vardy should be about 10th on the list.
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:56:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 13:56:31 GMT
He isn't as good as he was like I said but is he still England's best striker....yes. Because he's got 11 in 18 internationals? There you go. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Rooney17 in 28 if you want to go back to 2013. The useless twat! Again, which nations did he score them against and how many were penalties? Stats only give you half the picture. When did you last physically see him dominate a game at international level? genuine question.... are you aware of the fact that charlton scored against the likes of luxembourg,the usa and ecuador??? 50% of hos goals were against the home nations? Let's not pretend his goals were against footballing superpowers because,quite simply they weren't! Less than 30% of his goals were in competitive games (whereas nearly 70% of rooney's were). Why the need for so many to get so defensive and compare the 2 goalscoring records? No-one has said rooney is as good as charlton and it would seem that no-one on here who's been comparing the 2 simply to slag rooney off either know or care about the facts pointed out above. By the way, only 5 of rooney's goals were penalties (including last night's). P.S. how you can honestly expect anyone to take you seriously when you're saying vardy is a genuine alternative option to rooney god only knows!
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:56:40 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 13:56:40 GMT
Rooney's last goal in a league game? Rooney's last big performance at international level? Rooney's last good performance at a major Championship? I think that warrants looking for alternatives. There are other players aside from Jamie Vardy who are a better option. His form for England is second to none. No there are not. There are one or two that knocking on the door. Jamie Vardy should be about 10th on the list. "His form for England is second to none." Pen vs San Marino. Goal vs Slovenia after missing a fucking shit load of chances and Wilshere bailing us out. No goal vs Ireland. No goal vs Italy. Goal at home vs Lithuania in a 4-0 win (don't remember the game.) 2 goals at Scotland (fair play, he did well that night.) Pen vs Slovenia. Goal against 10 men Estonia again squandering loads of chances including being clean through at the death. Pen at home vs San Marino. If you take out his pens that's pretty horrendous. And let's not say all pens count because Baines could easily have put those away. On form he shouldn't be in the team.
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 13:59:21 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 13:59:21 GMT
His form for England is second to none. No there are not. There are one or two that knocking on the door. Jamie Vardy should be about 10th on the list. "His form for England is second to none." Pen vs San Marino. Goal vs Slovenia after missing a fucking shit load of chances and Wilshere bailing us out. No goal vs Ireland. No goal vs Italy. Goal at home vs Lithuania in a 4-0 win (don't remember the game.) 2 goals at Scotland (fair play, he did well that night.) Pen vs Slovenia. Goal against 10 men Estonia again squandering loads of chances including being clean through at the death. Pen at home vs San Marino. If you take out his pens that's pretty horrendous. And let's not say all pens count because Baines could easily have put those away. On form he shouldn't be in the team. You can only score against what you're up against, he did. End of really.
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Sept 6, 2015 13:59:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 13:59:48 GMT
His form for England is second to none. No there are not. There are one or two that knocking on the door. Jamie Vardy should be about 10th on the list. "His form for England is second to none." Pen vs San Marino. Goal vs Slovenia after missing a fucking shit load of chances and Wilshere bailing us out. No goal vs Ireland. No goal vs Italy. Goal at home vs Lithuania in a 4-0 win (don't remember the game.) 2 goals at Scotland (fair play, he did well that night.) Pen vs Slovenia. Goal against 10 men Estonia again squandering loads of chances including being clean through at the death. Pen at home vs San Marino. If you take out his pens that's pretty horrendous. And let's not say all pens count because Baines could easily have put those away. On form he shouldn't be in the team. what utter utter shit!!!! If i was you i'd be fucking embarrassed to make a post like on a footballing forum mate.illuatrates nothing but how clueless you are! You slate bayern by pointing out how stats don't mean anything without context yet post this (stats largely recalled from a very blurry memory by the looks of it) neglecting all the other nearly 100 games he's played in??? Hypocritical fuckwittery of the highest order!
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Sept 6, 2015 14:01:17 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 14:01:17 GMT
Again, which nations did he score them against and how many were penalties? Stats only give you half the picture. When did you last physically see him dominate a game at international level? genuine question.... are you aware of the fact that charlton scored against the likes of luxembourg and 50% of hos goals were against the home nations? Let's not pretend his goals were against footballing superpowers because,quite simply they weren't! Less than 30% of his goals were in competitive games (whereas nearly 70% of rooney's were). Why the need for so many to get so defensive and compare the 2 goalscoring records? No-one has said rooney is as good as charlton and it would seem that no-one on here who's been comparing the 2 simply to slag rooney off either know or care about the facts pointed out above. By the way, only 5 of rooney's goals were penalties (including last night's). P.S. how you can honestly expect anyone to take you seriously when you're saying vardy is a genuine alternative option to rooney god only knows! I've not compared Rooney to Charlton once. They play in different positions and in different eras but Scotland were better then than they are now. I'd compare Rooney to the likes of Greaves Linekar Shearer ect if pushed but my point is purely that his form isn't good enough at any level. I'm seriously suggesting that over the last few months of last season and the start of this, that Vardy has been playing well in a poor side and Rooney has been shit in a good side. If you don't reward form players with starts then we'll continue with this failing closed shop of a national side.
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Sept 6, 2015 14:01:55 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 14:01:55 GMT
"His form for England is second to none." Pen vs San Marino. Goal vs Slovenia after missing a fucking shit load of chances and Wilshere bailing us out. No goal vs Ireland. No goal vs Italy. Goal at home vs Lithuania in a 4-0 win (don't remember the game.) 2 goals at Scotland (fair play, he did well that night.) Pen vs Slovenia. Goal against 10 men Estonia again squandering loads of chances including being clean through at the death. Pen at home vs San Marino. If you take out his pens that's pretty horrendous. And let's not say all pens count because Baines could easily have put those away. On form he shouldn't be in the team. what utter utter shit!!!! If i was you i'd be fucking embarrassed to make a post like on a footballing forum mate.illuatrates nothing but how clueless you are! You slate bayern by pointing out how stats don't mean anything without context yet post this (stats largely recalled from a very blurry memory by the looks of it) neglecting all the other nearly 10p games he's played in??? Hypocritical fuckwittery of the highest order! He wants Jamie Vardy in the England team, I have no idea why we're even bothering!
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Sept 6, 2015 14:02:49 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 14:02:49 GMT
"His form for England is second to none." Pen vs San Marino. Goal vs Slovenia after missing a fucking shit load of chances and Wilshere bailing us out. No goal vs Ireland. No goal vs Italy. Goal at home vs Lithuania in a 4-0 win (don't remember the game.) 2 goals at Scotland (fair play, he did well that night.) Pen vs Slovenia. Goal against 10 men Estonia again squandering loads of chances including being clean through at the death. Pen at home vs San Marino. If you take out his pens that's pretty horrendous. And let's not say all pens count because Baines could easily have put those away. On form he shouldn't be in the team. what utter utter shit!!!! If i was you i'd be fucking embarrassed to make a post like on a footballing forum mate.illuatrates nothing but how clueless you are! You slate bayern by pointing out how stats don't mean anything without context yet post this (stats largely recalled from a very blurry memory by the looks of it) neglecting all the other nearly 100 games he's played in??? Hypocritical fuckwittery of the highest order! I'm going back as far as I could at a quick glance using the BBC sport site. Take out his pens and are you happy with that return?
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Sept 6, 2015 14:04:03 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 14:04:03 GMT
what utter utter shit!!!! If i was you i'd be fucking embarrassed to make a post like on a footballing forum mate.illuatrates nothing but how clueless you are! You slate bayern by pointing out how stats don't mean anything without context yet post this (stats largely recalled from a very blurry memory by the looks of it) neglecting all the other nearly 10p games he's played in??? Hypocritical fuckwittery of the highest order! He wants Jamie Vardy in the England team, I have no idea why we're even bothering! Probably to keep your post count ticking over if anything...
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Sept 6, 2015 14:05:46 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 14:05:46 GMT
He wants Jamie Vardy in the England team, I have no idea why we're even bothering! Probably to keep your post count ticking over if anything... Ah yes because I give a fuck about that. More strange nonsense coming from your keyboard. Do keep it up. What are your views on Ryan Mason?
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Sept 6, 2015 14:06:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 14:06:04 GMT
genuine question.... are you aware of the fact that charlton scored against the likes of luxembourg and 50% of hos goals were against the home nations? Let's not pretend his goals were against footballing superpowers because,quite simply they weren't! Less than 30% of his goals were in competitive games (whereas nearly 70% of rooney's were). Why the need for so many to get so defensive and compare the 2 goalscoring records? No-one has said rooney is as good as charlton and it would seem that no-one on here who's been comparing the 2 simply to slag rooney off either know or care about the facts pointed out above. By the way, only 5 of rooney's goals were penalties (including last night's). P.S. how you can honestly expect anyone to take you seriously when you're saying vardy is a genuine alternative option to rooney god only knows! I've not compared Rooney to Charlton once. They play in different positions and in different eras but Scotland were better then than they are now. I'd compare Rooney to the likes of Greaves Linekar Shearer ect if pushed but my point is purely that his form isn't good enough at any level. I'm seriously suggesting that over the last few months of last season and the start of this, that Vardy has been playing well in a poor side and Rooney has been shit in a good side. If you don't reward form players with starts then we'll continue with this failing closed shop of a national side. again,completely inaccurate! Rooney last year was probably the best player in a distinctly mediocre side...lets not base them being a "good side" purely on their name over the decades.last season they were miles off being anything like the man utd. of years gone by. rooney also spent very little time playing as a forward and doesn't exactly have the support of players he used to have so to say "He was shit" whilst not even taking the context or the bigger picture into account is doing precisely what you slated bayern for earlier isn't it?
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Sept 6, 2015 14:07:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 14:07:42 GMT
what utter utter shit!!!! If i was you i'd be fucking embarrassed to make a post like on a footballing forum mate.illuatrates nothing but how clueless you are! You slate bayern by pointing out how stats don't mean anything without context yet post this (stats largely recalled from a very blurry memory by the looks of it) neglecting all the other nearly 100 games he's played in??? Hypocritical fuckwittery of the highest order! I'm going back as far as I could at a quick glance using the BBC sport site. Take out his pens and are you happy with that return? take out all of rooneys pens and you have 44 goals in 106 appearances. I think you'll find that 100% of international managers would be more than happy with that return.
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Sept 6, 2015 14:24:53 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 14:24:53 GMT
I'm going back as far as I could at a quick glance using the BBC sport site. Take out his pens and are you happy with that return? take out all of rooneys pens and you have 44 goals in 106 appearances. I think you'll find that 100% of international managers would be more than happy with that return. He broke through on fire but his recent form isn't good enough. To reply to your earlier post he scored 12 league goals last season and hasn't scored thus far this one. Granted some games were from midfield but that's still a poor return given the chances his team creates and the minutes he did get up top because Falcao wasn't doing the business. Compare that with Austin and Kane's goals in poorer teams. His record at international tournaments is pretty horrendous.
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Sept 6, 2015 14:25:56 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 14:25:56 GMT
take out all of rooneys pens and you have 44 goals in 106 appearances. I think you'll find that 100% of international managers would be more than happy with that return. He broke through on fire but his recent form isn't good enough. To reply to your earlier post he scored 12 league goals last season and hasn't scored thus far this one. Granted some games were from midfield but that's still a poor return given the chances his team creates and the minutes he did get up top because Falcao wasn't doing the business. Compare that with Austin and Kane's goals in poorer teams. His record at international tournaments is pretty horrendous. He's England's joint all time best goalscorer.
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Sept 6, 2015 14:26:33 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 14:26:33 GMT
Probably to keep your post count ticking over if anything... Ah yes because I give a fuck about that. More strange nonsense coming from your keyboard. Do keep it up. What are your views on Ryan Mason? Ryan Mason has a long way to go and wouldn't be in the team for me but Shelvey had earned his chance.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 6, 2015 14:27:08 GMT
Players should be rewarded with call-ups to the England team if they're playing well over a period of time (Like Vardy has been doing) And players at the big clubs should get dropped if they're not doing so well. It might even help with promising young English players wanting to stay & play for 'lesser' clubs rather than sitting on a bench at a big club if they know it gives them more chance of a call-up.
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Sept 6, 2015 14:27:13 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 6, 2015 14:27:13 GMT
He broke through on fire but his recent form isn't good enough. To reply to your earlier post he scored 12 league goals last season and hasn't scored thus far this one. Granted some games were from midfield but that's still a poor return given the chances his team creates and the minutes he did get up top because Falcao wasn't doing the business. Compare that with Austin and Kane's goals in poorer teams. His record at international tournaments is pretty horrendous. He's England's joint all time best goalscorer. I may be wrong but isn't it 6 goals at 4 championships?
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Rooney
Sept 6, 2015 14:28:42 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2015 14:28:42 GMT
Players should be rewarded with call-ups to the England team if they're playing well over a period of time (Like Vardy has been doing) And players at the big clubs should get dropped if they're not doing so well. It might even help with promising young English players wanting to stay & play for 'lesser' clubs rather than sitting on a bench at a big club if they know it gives them more chance of a call-up. They should but dropping Rooney for Vardy? Come on. And I'm firmly in the I don't get what Vardy has been doing to warrant a call up camp and there's quite a few of us.
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Sept 6, 2015 14:29:22 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 6, 2015 14:29:22 GMT
Didn't Rooney get a hat trick recently? When was Jamie Vardys last hat trick? Didn't Vardy score in the league recently? When was the last time Rooney troubled a PL defence? Apologies, didn't realise when you were talking about recent form you only meant in the Premier League and bit actually all competitive games.
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