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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 14:35:02 GMT
Can we throw in Bardsley and tell them its a deal.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 21, 2015 14:36:07 GMT
Bargain of the century and a big fuck up from Scfc if he doesn't sign another contract. Rather see him leave for free in the summer after another seasons good service
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 21, 2015 14:36:21 GMT
Purely my opinion:
I think he would be happy to be a 'squad' player at Stoke with the personal security of three years to come. If he's only going to get a two year contract, I suspect he would rather go elsewhere with the intention of playing regularly. I think THAT is the dilema he is wrestling with.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 21, 2015 14:42:09 GMT
Purely my opinion: I think he would be happy to be a 'squad' player at Stoke with the personal security of three years to come. If he's only going to get a two year contract, I suspect he would rather go elsewhere with the intention of playing regularly. I think THAT is the dilema he is wrestling with. He'd be more than a squad player you would of thought, he'll be used to balance the mavericks with work ethic, he also offers a physical threat. Walters will roll his sleeves up and dig in every day of the week, he's a nightmare opposition because he never stops. We're going to end up a team full of pussies. Trying to get away from this "physical football", why though? it's a strength that others don't like playing against. After hearing Bowen on the radio the other night the interviewer suggested Stoke are moving away from the Physical game.... he said it as if it's a good thing, what's wrong with Physical & technical football in one,? That's why Chelsea are so successful, they can mix it up as well as play football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 14:47:28 GMT
Bargain of the century and a big fuck up from Scfc if he doesn't sign another contract. Rather see him leave for free in the summer after another seasons good service it's not a fuck up on Stoke's part though regardless of what you think, the club (and in particular Hughes) will know far more about the business side of things and also how much of a part he'll be playing for us regularly. if Hughes thought he was definitely still needed he'd make sure he stayed. it would appear that the sticking point is that we've offered 2 years (including this 1) but he wants 3. if the club deem it unwise financially to have him on the books for that long if he isn't going to be featuring much then it's far from a fuck up on their part. Re: You'd rather see him leave on a free next year...i think it's pretty clear that isnt a decision for Stoke to make, that's down to whether the player wants to stay until next summer (which is dependent upon the first paragraph above) personally i, like you, would like him to stay but if he's not going to be playing every week (which seems to be the case with Shaqiri coming in and us already having a forward who DOES play every week) then he'd be used as a squad player. it's up to him whether he wants to accept that for 2 years; to pay someone who would (by the 3rd year) be nothing more than a 35 year old benchwarmer? now THAT would be a fuck up
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 14:48:40 GMT
Purely my opinion: I think he would be happy to be a 'squad' player at Stoke with the personal security of three years to come. If he's only going to get a two year contract, I suspect he would rather go elsewhere with the intention of playing regularly. I think THAT is the dilema he is wrestling with. He'd be more than a squad player you would of thought, he'll be used to balance the mavericks with work ethic, he also offers a physical threat. Walters will roll his sleeves up and dig in every day of the week, he's a nightmare opposition because he never stops. We're going to end up a team full of pussies. Trying to get away from this "physical football", why though? it's a strength that others don't like playing against. After hearing Bowen on the radio the other night the interviewer suggested Stoke are moving away from the Physical game.... he said it as if it's a good thing, what's wrong with Physical & technical football in one,? That's why Chelsea are so successful, they can mix it up as well as play football. so who are you dropping then to ensure we don't turn into a bunch of "pussies"? Diouf up front (who in his first season scored more in the league than Walters ever has for us in any season since joining) or Shaqiri? and using Chelsea as an example?????? they are the BIGGEST bunch of diving, whinging pussies in the Prem...REALLY bad example to choose there mate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 14:51:41 GMT
Jon's a City legend. Just let him decide where he wants his future to be
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 21, 2015 14:53:57 GMT
He'd be more than a squad player you would of thought, he'll be used to balance the mavericks with work ethic, he also offers a physical threat. Walters will roll his sleeves up and dig in every day of the week, he's a nightmare opposition because he never stops. We're going to end up a team full of pussies. Trying to get away from this "physical football", why though? it's a strength that others don't like playing against. After hearing Bowen on the radio the other night the interviewer suggested Stoke are moving away from the Physical game.... he said it as if it's a good thing, what's wrong with Physical & technical football in one,? That's why Chelsea are so successful, they can mix it up as well as play football. so who are you dropping then to ensure we don't turn into a bunch of "pussies"? Diouf up front (who in his first season scored more in the league than Walters ever has for us in any season since joining) or Shaqiri? Diouf is more than likely play striker, Walters can fit in anywhere in the front 4 and do a job if needed too. He's a fit & athletic player that will stand up and be counted. No offence to the guy but Odemwingie for me should be the one making way because Walters opitimises what Stoke are about. We've hopefully got a couple of good cup runs in us, even in the league Walters balances out the team when you have the more naturally gifted players as the other front 3, offers something different and an ethic that will rub off on the other players, he's also a capable finisher that could also play up top on his own. You doin't sell that for £1.4 million
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 21, 2015 15:00:44 GMT
Purely my opinion: I think he would be happy to be a 'squad' player at Stoke with the personal security of three years to come. If he's only going to get a two year contract, I suspect he would rather go elsewhere with the intention of playing regularly. I think THAT is the dilema he is wrestling with. I reckon you're pretty close to the truth there, if Shaqiri plays as we expect him to he must know he isn't going to be a regular starter anymore so he may decide to go elsewhere unless the deal we're offering is a fantastic one.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 21, 2015 15:02:07 GMT
I don't think you can accurately gauge Jon's contributions to this club solely by his performance on the pitch. I for one would be gutted if he left. Ditto.....
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 21, 2015 15:02:39 GMT
Purely my opinion: I think he would be happy to be a 'squad' player at Stoke with the personal security of three years to come. If he's only going to get a two year contract, I suspect he would rather go elsewhere with the intention of playing regularly. I think THAT is the dilema he is wrestling with. He'd be more than a squad player you would of thought, he'll be used to balance the mavericks with work ethic, he also offers a physical threat. Walters will roll his sleeves up and dig in every day of the week, he's a nightmare opposition because he never stops. We're going to end up a team full of pussies. Trying to get away from this "physical football", why though? it's a strength that others don't like playing against. After hearing Bowen on the radio the other night the interviewer suggested Stoke are moving away from the Physical game.... he said it as if it's a good thing, what's wrong with Physical & technical football in one,? That's why Chelsea are so successful, they can mix it up as well as play football. You don't have to highlight Walters' value to us, to me mate. Fact is, he WILL play far fewer games this coming season with Shaqiri on board and several strikers in front of him. He'll get game time no doubt but probably not as much as he'd like. I think he would 'content' himself with that if he had the financial security of three years to come. If he's only going to get two years (anywhere) I suspect he'll fancy playing regularly elsewhere. Failing that, he could see out the next 12 months here and see how much game time he gets, before being free to talk to anyone after that. I think this is a BIG decision for Jon and I can well understand his dilema.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 21, 2015 15:04:17 GMT
Purely my opinion: I think he would be happy to be a 'squad' player at Stoke with the personal security of three years to come. If he's only going to get a two year contract, I suspect he would rather go elsewhere with the intention of playing regularly. I think THAT is the dilema he is wrestling with. I reckon you're pretty close to the truth there, if Shaqiri plays as we expect him to he must know he isn't going to be a regular starter anymore so he may decide to go elsewhere unless the deal we're offering is a fantastic one. I think that's the point: we won't be offering him a fantastic deal to be a squad player; Scholes does not operate like that. If we were close on reaching agreement with him, he'd have signed a new deal by now. We have clearly not upped our offer, and have instead bought a world class replacement for him - the writing is on the wall.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 21, 2015 15:08:48 GMT
I reckon you're pretty close to the truth there, if Shaqiri plays as we expect him to he must know he isn't going to be a regular starter anymore so he may decide to go elsewhere unless the deal we're offering is a fantastic one. I think that's the point: we won't be offering him a fantastic deal to be a squad player; Scholes does not operate like that. If we were close on reaching agreement with him, he'd have signed a new deal by now. We have clearly not upped our offer, and have instead bought a world class replacement for him - the writing is on the wall. Yep I think SJW is likely to leave and I expect Pulis to come in for him.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 21, 2015 15:09:29 GMT
He'd be more than a squad player you would of thought, he'll be used to balance the mavericks with work ethic, he also offers a physical threat. Walters will roll his sleeves up and dig in every day of the week, he's a nightmare opposition because he never stops. We're going to end up a team full of pussies. Trying to get away from this "physical football", why though? it's a strength that others don't like playing against. After hearing Bowen on the radio the other night the interviewer suggested Stoke are moving away from the Physical game.... he said it as if it's a good thing, what's wrong with Physical & technical football in one,? That's why Chelsea are so successful, they can mix it up as well as play football. You don't have to highlight Walters' value to us, to me mate. Fact is, he WILL play far fewer games this coming season with Shaqiri on board and several strikers in front of him. He'll get game time no doubt but probably not as much as he'd like. I think he would 'content' himself with that if he had the financial security of three years to come. If he's only going to get two years (anywhere) I suspect he'll fancy playing regularly elsewhere. Failing that, he could see out the next 12 months here and see how much game time he gets, before being free to talk to anyone after that. I think this is a BIG decision for Jon and I can well understand his dilema. If the player wants to go fair enough but to class him as dispensable from the management would be daft imo. Full backs hate playing against him, my remaining vision of Walters if he leaves will be getting or running onto the ball on the right flank tussling with the full back the the full back goes flying well walters comes out with the ball we havn't got many that can do that, he can just shake them off and put them on their arse. It's players like Walters that get the crowd going.
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Post by st4scfc on Aug 21, 2015 15:11:26 GMT
Can't sell Walters, infact we should all chip in and buy him a passport from where Yakubu bought his from so we can have him for the next 5 years
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Post by enuntio on Aug 21, 2015 15:12:11 GMT
Would there have been a different outcome had £5 million have been offered?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 21, 2015 15:13:10 GMT
You don't have to highlight Walters' value to us, to me mate. Fact is, he WILL play far fewer games this coming season with Shaqiri on board and several strikers in front of him. He'll get game time no doubt but probably not as much as he'd like. I think he would 'content' himself with that if he had the financial security of three years to come. If he's only going to get two years (anywhere) I suspect he'll fancy playing regularly elsewhere. Failing that, he could see out the next 12 months here and see how much game time he gets, before being free to talk to anyone after that. I think this is a BIG decision for Jon and I can well understand his dilema. If the player wants to go fair enough but to class him as dispensable from the management would be daft imo. Full backs hate playing against him, my remaining vision of Walters if he leaves will be getting or running onto the ball on the right flank tussling with the full back the the full back goes flying well walters comes out with the ball we havn't got many that can do that, he can just shake them off and put them on their arse. It's players like Walters that get the crowd going. I'm CERTAIN that Stoke don't want him to go mate. This is ENTIRELY in Jon's hands.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 15:19:04 GMT
so who are you dropping then to ensure we don't turn into a bunch of "pussies"? Diouf up front (who in his first season scored more in the league than Walters ever has for us in any season since joining) or Shaqiri? Diouf is more than likely play striker, Walters can fit in anywhere in the front 4 and do a job if needed too. He's a fit & athletic player that will stand up and be counted. No offence to the guy but Odemwingie for me should be the one making way because Walters opitimises what Stoke are about. We've hopefully got a couple of good cup runs in us, even in the league Walters balances out the team when you have the more naturally gifted players as the other front 3, offers something different and an ethic that will rub off on the other players, he's also a capable finisher that could also play up top on his own. You doin't sell that for £1.4 million oh i agre re: price mate but as paulspencer rightly pointed out,if others know he doesn't want to accept the 2 year deal then that will effect the price people bid.if he puts in a transfer request then 1.5mill would be about the max we could expect but right to turn it down until that happens. no,he cant play anywhere in the front 4.we have a first teamer and a cover for a number 10 spot and he's never going to fit in on the left and we have 2 forwards ahead of him. And when you say we should let wingie go instead,it's not as if we're trying to let walters go and choosing between them! The offer is on the table for walters to stay,up to him whether he wants it but to extend to a 3yr deal and have a 35 yr old sitting on the bench taking a place and a wage in 3 yrs time who we can't then get rid of would be madness
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Post by themistocles on Aug 21, 2015 15:19:39 GMT
If Jon goes we need a new winger, I hope Hughes has some targets in mind with yarmo looking unlikely
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Post by torquaypotter on Aug 21, 2015 15:48:38 GMT
I was questioned when i said that if we lost SJW it would be a bigger blow to the club .Lots said it was stupid to even think that but look at the comments now about him .He would be a big loss to us a player that just rolls up his sleves and gets on with it . No real skills unlike the players we are now signing BUT a 100% stokie
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 16:09:39 GMT
we won't be offering him a fantastic deal to be a squad player; Scholes does not operate like that. I wonder what we gave Crouch when he extended his contract at the end of last season as he is just a squad player?
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Post by jeycov on Aug 21, 2015 16:14:40 GMT
With Walters missing some training this week, I was expecting him to be saved until the Luton game.
If the club want to show him that he does have more than a bit part to play from the bench, do they include him tomorrow (as a starter or on the bench) or give him 90 minutes on Tuesday?
He could come on for Diouf if Hughes wants to give Shaqiri 90 minutes
Mind games
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2015 16:33:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 16:35:25 GMT
He'll go next week I reckon. They'll up their bid to 2M plus a staying up bonus and we'll accept.
We'll bring in a player to replace.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 21, 2015 16:43:34 GMT
I will be sad to see him go, but if we bring in Yarmolenko or Moses I can't see SJW getting much game time. I think £2-3M will do the business!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 21, 2015 16:47:17 GMT
Brilliant news. Not good enough. Watch us accept a 1.7m bid on Monday. Sorry I meant Walters not good enough. The bid was perfectly acceptable in my eyes
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Post by RAF on Aug 21, 2015 16:47:57 GMT
If Jon goes we need a new winger, I hope Hughes has some targets in mind with yarmo looking unlikely Lol H
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Post by daveypotter on Aug 21, 2015 16:51:39 GMT
£1.5m is an insult really even with his age and contract length
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Post by themistocles on Aug 21, 2015 16:53:26 GMT
If Jon goes we need a new winger, I hope Hughes has some targets in mind with yarmo looking unlikely Lol H (thumbs-up) "Lol"
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Post by jeycov on Aug 21, 2015 16:53:58 GMT
Just noticed this on Twitter too! Let's hope it goes down to the wire and he's not playing against us on 29th August (for WBA) In fact let's hope he stays
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