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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 10:49:02 GMT
Wonder what we'd accept? £2.5m? £3m? 1 year left on his contact, neither party desperate to get a new one signed, at his age, we're not going to get more than £3 mil off anybody are we? He'd probably go to Norwich for something like £2.5 mil plus an extra £500k if Norwich stay up. That's if HE wants to go mind, he might choose to hang around here in the shadows for 12 months and take his chances on a Bosman in a year but that'd be a pretty risky strategy on his part IMHO. Stick him in a Palacios mask and flog him to the Baggies for 10 mill.
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Post by dave77 on Aug 21, 2015 11:00:56 GMT
30M or fuck off.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 21, 2015 11:05:45 GMT
Brilliant news. Not good enough.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 21, 2015 11:06:38 GMT
£5,000,000 minimum. If they want him, they'll have to pay the going rate for a player who appears to be very much in the manager's plans. If they don't want to pay it then tough. Yeah that's why we've just spent 12 million on replacing him
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Post by Davef on Aug 21, 2015 11:12:25 GMT
Wonder what we'd accept? £2.5m? £3m? 1 year left on his contact, neither party desperate to get a new one signed, at his age, we're not going to get more than £3 mil off anybody are we? He'd probably go to Norwich for something like £2.5 mil plus an extra £500k if Norwich stay up. That's if HE wants to go mind, he might choose to hang around here in the shadows for 12 months and take his chances on a Bosman in a year but that'd be a pretty risky strategy on his part IMHO. The are reports/rumours that he has a two year offer from Stoke on the table. Assuming that doesn't include this current season, then he'd effectively be tied to us for three more seasons. If that offer is on the table and he doesn't think that's acceptable, then he's deluded.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 21, 2015 11:23:06 GMT
1 year left on his contact, neither party desperate to get a new one signed, at his age, we're not going to get more than £3 mil off anybody are we? He'd probably go to Norwich for something like £2.5 mil plus an extra £500k if Norwich stay up. That's if HE wants to go mind, he might choose to hang around here in the shadows for 12 months and take his chances on a Bosman in a year but that'd be a pretty risky strategy on his part IMHO. The are reports/rumours that he has a two year offer from Stoke on the table. Assuming that doesn't include this current season, then he'd effectively be tied to us for three more seasons. If that offer is on the table and he doesn't think that's acceptable, then he's deluded. I doubt he is deluded I wouldn't be surprised if he has not already been tipped the wink by a certain ex-manager, Roy Keane had a few comments in his second book about the Lawrence and Walters transfers to us which indicated we did not always go about things the right way.
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Post by Davef on Aug 21, 2015 11:26:48 GMT
The are reports/rumours that he has a two year offer from Stoke on the table. Assuming that doesn't include this current season, then he'd effectively be tied to us for three more seasons. If that offer is on the table and he doesn't think that's acceptable, then he's deluded. I doubt he is deluded I wouldn't be surprised if he has not already been tipped the wink by a certain ex-manager, Roy Keane had a few comments in his second book about the Lawrence and Walters transfers to us which indicated we did not always go about things the right way. That's beside the point. If he effectively has a three year contract on the table at Stoke which he doesn't feel is acceptable at nearly 32 years of age, then in my book he's deluded.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 21, 2015 11:30:28 GMT
I doubt he is deluded I wouldn't be surprised if he has not already been tipped the wink by a certain ex-manager, Roy Keane had a few comments in his second book about the Lawrence and Walters transfers to us which indicated we did not always go about things the right way. That's beside the point. If he effectively has a three year contract on the table at Stoke which he doesn't feel is acceptable at nearly 32 years of age, then in my book he's deluded. I'm not sure that is correct. My understanding that were he to sign his contract offer today, his current contract would effectively be null and void, and replaced by a new 2 year contract taking him through to the end of next season. What he is effectively been given is a 1 year extension to his current contract and he wants 2 to make 3 years rather than 2. A 2 year contract, at his age, is ample and if he doesn't want to sign it then let him go. Better to recoup some money than let him go for nowt next summer. EDIT - If I'm mistaken and it is in essence a 3 year contract, then Walters is seriously deluded. He should be snapping the clubs hand off if that really is the case.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2015 11:31:58 GMT
If he had this season plus 2 more on the table, you'd have to think he'd have signed a while back?
Can only think that our offer is for this season and next.
If any club offer him more than that, they're a bit silly on the face of it.
It'd be a big call to uproot his family though as he seems a bit of a family man.I can't see him leaving for Norwich for less than a silly 3-year deal.
The stars do seem to be aligning for a 31st August move to The Hawthorns, which is still commutable from the Wirral.
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Post by stevoyork on Aug 21, 2015 11:44:42 GMT
I bet super jon isn't happy with the amount of that bid either :-)
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Post by toad on Aug 21, 2015 11:57:28 GMT
Brilliant news. Not good enough. Nonsense.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 21, 2015 12:15:00 GMT
I doubt he is deluded I wouldn't be surprised if he has not already been tipped the wink by a certain ex-manager, Roy Keane had a few comments in his second book about the Lawrence and Walters transfers to us which indicated we did not always go about things the right way. That's beside the point. If he effectively has a three year contract on the table at Stoke which he doesn't feel is acceptable at nearly 32 years of age, then in my book he's deluded. Well he's deluded in the sense all footballers are that they can argue over an extra £5k or £10k a week but if he has an offer in his back pocket from the baggies it's more greedy \ mercenary than deluded to me. Under Pulis he's guaranteed a starting place looking at the quality we are bringing in he must know he's likely to be a squad player sooner rather than later.
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Post by stokewatch on Aug 21, 2015 12:15:32 GMT
Just assumed it meant we'd effectively offered him a year's extension until 2017 . And he was looking for a deal until 2018. I think that's a bit optimistic on his part - although TP would probably go for it. But the main issue probably now is the effect of Shaq and he sees a future on the bench (although we've said that before several times and he's seen everyone off - but hard to see how he can this time) I thought exactly the same Grapey. I can't see, at his age, that we would ever offer more. Super jon would be useful for cup matches and for filling in for suspensions, injuries etc
£1.5 million is a joke when you consider what is being paid for less experienced players.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 21, 2015 12:37:43 GMT
I really am sick to death of debating Jon Walters with people who will never accept the massive contribution he's made to this club so..................
Do what's best for you and your family Jon. If you stay I'm very happy to have you here and if you go thanks for fantastic service to Stoke City.
If he goes, at least it will spare us the continual shite that some post about him but you have to wonder who's next in the firing line.
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Post by march4 on Aug 21, 2015 12:44:00 GMT
The big question here is;
Who has leaked this to the press??
SCFC - to show SJW how much he is worth and where he will end up if he doesn't sign his contract SJW - to put pressure on the club to improve his contract otherwise he will leave for next to nothing in the next 10 days.
It's one or the other.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 21, 2015 13:01:13 GMT
I really don't think this situation is down to money or contract length. SJW is not the kind of player who will be happy to sit on the sidelines or play a bit-part role. He probably sees the writing on the wall with the likes of Shakiri coming to the club, and at his age he's not going to hang around and warm the bench.
If that's the case them we should respect the man for not taking the easy option and running his career down with an easy pay day. SJW has been at the center of everything good about our club since he arrived and deserves a massive thank you if he doea choose to move on. He's been one of the pillars on which our club has built a great foundation for the future and regardless of anyones opinions on his technical ability as a footballer, he has never given less than his absolute best for the club.
I would love nothing more for him to see out his career with Stoke, because you cant buy the kind of influence that he has on the club for the kind of money that we'll get for him but if he chooses to move on in order to play every week,it should be with all our best wishes.SJW is nothing less than a Stoke legend.
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Post by RAF on Aug 21, 2015 13:06:04 GMT
I really am sick to death of debating Jon Walters with people who will never accept the massive contribution he's made to this club so.................. Do what's best for you and your family Jon. If you stay I'm very happy to have you here and if you go thanks for fantastic service to Stoke City. If he goes, at least it will spare us the continual shite that some post about him but you have to wonder who's next in the firing line. Arnie and Diouf have already been targeted by some of the throbbers on here, and let's not forget Van Ginkel has already been written off after 2 games by some of the footballing alumni on here. H
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Post by lordb on Aug 21, 2015 13:10:35 GMT
The big question here is; Who has leaked this to the press?? SCFC - to show SJW how much he is worth and where he will end up if he doesn't sign his contract SJW - to put pressure on the club to improve his contract otherwise he will leave for next to nothing in the next 10 days. It's one or the other. maybe but vast majority of the time this stuff is driven by agents-sometimes agents working for clubs mind -.
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 21, 2015 13:24:08 GMT
keep him
i hope he signs the contract extension. a player who can unite and gel the dressing room is invaluable, and selling an asset that can do this for pennies in this modern day of football would be a mistake
you can't have a team of 11 superstars, it never has or will work. its essential you have players that understand they will never be THE top dog, but will work themselves into the ground for the team and supporters. we have a gem here and it would be such a mistake to lose another core member of the squad that brought us up with fighting spirit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 13:27:14 GMT
if he goes it will be a black day for Stoke.....or white (not 100% sure which)
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 21, 2015 13:41:44 GMT
If it got up to 2.5m, maybe we'd be interested. He has already effectively been replaced (by Shaqiri) and he has always said he wants to start, and play games. Another two years as a starter in the Premier League is what he seems to be hoping for; we simply cannot offer him that.
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Post by liamo on Aug 21, 2015 13:50:12 GMT
Would much rather he signed a new contract to be honest, Shaqiri is obviously talented but how he does for us in the league is yet to be seen, we know 100% that Walters gives everything every single game and he's very useful when called upon
He deserves a new contract, if it's stalling because he wants a guarantee he will be played then we should let him leave, if it's stalling because of silly things then get it sorted asap
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 21, 2015 14:03:04 GMT
1 year left on his contact, neither party desperate to get a new one signed, at his age, we're not going to get more than £3 mil off anybody are we? He'd probably go to Norwich for something like £2.5 mil plus an extra £500k if Norwich stay up. That's if HE wants to go mind, he might choose to hang around here in the shadows for 12 months and take his chances on a Bosman in a year but that'd be a pretty risky strategy on his part IMHO. The are reports/rumours that he has a two year offer from Stoke on the table. Assuming that doesn't include this current season, then he'd effectively be tied to us for three more seasons. If that offer is on the table and he doesn't think that's acceptable, then he's deluded. Regardless of what offer is on the table Dave, my point was that if either party were desperate to get the deal done, then it would have been done by now. Walters obviously doesn't think that the offer reflects what he's worth or else he would have accepted it and there doesn't seem any great desire on the club's part to increase it. And such a stalemate will have a bearing on the fee we will get for him. If he'd ALREADY signed a new deal, then we could expect to get more for him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 14:05:09 GMT
Why would he join Norwich?
Wouldn't be a fans favorite really would he being a former Ipswich player
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 21, 2015 14:12:57 GMT
The are reports/rumours that he has a two year offer from Stoke on the table. Assuming that doesn't include this current season, then he'd effectively be tied to us for three more seasons. If that offer is on the table and he doesn't think that's acceptable, then he's deluded. Regardless of what offer is on the table Dave, my point was that if either party were desperate to get the deal done, then it would have been done by now.
Walters obviously doesn't think the offer reflects what he's worth or else he would have accepted it and there doesn't seem any great desire on the club's part to increase it.
And such a stalemate will have a bearing on the fee we will get for him. If he'd ALREADY signed a new deal then we could expect to get more for him. True - and exactly the same's true of Wilson, should TP come calling in the next 10 days. If it hasn't been done yet, you do wonder what it's going to take for it to get done? But with the signing of Shaqiri, things do look a lot gloomier for him than when negotiations would have started. Short of TP coming in and offering him 3 years on Premier League money within commuting distance to Merseyside, hard to see what he's expecting to crop up better than what's on the table here. Would Norwich offer him 3 years? Got to be doubtful, but who knows? And even then, there's the major downside of having to uproot the family home
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Post by dozintheseventees on Aug 21, 2015 14:15:11 GMT
Why would he join Norwich? Wouldn't be a fans favorite really would he being a former Ipswich player Yeh, makes me wonder why Tevez wanted to join Manchster City or why Ashley Cole wanted to join Chelsea. Footballers will do whatever they feel is best for them at the time mate. I don't think Walters would chose to go to Norwich but if the offer is a good one (for him) then he'll take it.
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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2015 14:19:10 GMT
£5,000,000 minimum. If they want him, they'll have to pay the going rate for a player who appears to be very much in the manager's plans. If they don't want to pay it then tough. Yeah that's why we've just spent 12 million on replacing him Not just replacing... Upgrading.
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Post by foster on Aug 21, 2015 14:20:43 GMT
Brilliant news. Not good enough. Watch us accept a 1.7m bid on Monday.
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Post by hartzchoco on Aug 21, 2015 14:32:59 GMT
I don't think you can accurately gauge Jon's contributions to this club solely by his performance on the pitch. I for one would be gutted if he left.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 21, 2015 14:33:25 GMT
£5,000,000 minimum. If they want him, they'll have to pay the going rate for a player who appears to be very much in the manager's plans. If they don't want to pay it then tough. Yeah that's why we've just spent 12 million on replacing him You're dead right. The minimum asking price should be £12,000,000.
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